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Geth. Are. Sentient. The quarians didn't plan on that.
So whatever weapons made by geth they had to think up.

No they aren't. Sentience is defined as the ability to feel, percieve and experience sensations or "qualia" that alter one's mental state, such as pain, remorse, fear, happiness etc. Geth do not possess these qualities.

You may be looking for the word sapience, which really just means a being of comparable intellect to humans and being able to exercise subjective judgement. It is an irrelevant term. Geth aren't comparable to organic life even if Legion was rewritten from a logical machine intelligence into a glorified mechanical Pinocchio for ME3.


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I don't care for their weapons as all, the Reegar is "fun" but even as a lover of CQC I'd rather have several other weapons. And they did get kicked off their own planet and continue to fear the Geth. Arc Grenades are amazing but other than that they just seem to have battlefield tricks that are fun to watch but not all that effective.



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Currently Cerberus only has 3 weapons, and 2 of them are the Harrier and Talon ... despite BSN's love/hate relationship with the Harrier, it and the Talon are always in consideration for the best guns in the game .. so Cerberus


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I don't care for their weapons as all, the Reegar is "fun" but even as a lover of CQC I'd rather have several other weapons. And they did get kicked off their own planet and continue to fear the Geth. Arc Grenades are amazing but other than that they just seem to have battlefield tricks that are fun to watch but not all that effective.

your preferences are irrelevant. The Reegar objectively kills things faster than anything else in CQC. I would hardly define the arc pistol and the M-98 widow as tricks that are not that effective. Your other statement is irrelevant to the question at hand unless you want to base the effectiveness of other races' weapons on historical events as well.



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No they aren't. Sentience is defined as the ability to feel, percieve and experience sensations or "qualia" that alter one's mental state, such as pain, remorse, fear, happiness etc. Geth do not possess these qualities.
You may be looking for the word sapience, which really just means a being of comparable intellect to humans and being able to exercise subjective judgement. It is an irrelevant term. Geth aren't comparable to organic life even if Legion was rewritten from a logical machine intelligence into a glorified mechanical Pinocchio for ME3.

Does this unit have a soul?

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your preferences are irrelevant. The Reegar objectively kills things faster than anything else in CQC. I would hardly define the arc pistol and the M-98 widow as tricks that are not that effective. Your other statement is irrelevant to the question at hand unless you want to base the effectiveness of other races' weapons on historical events as well.

 

Preferences are everything, "objectively". I love the Widow but I can't see how can be reasoned as a "Qurian" weapon. Nothing about it looks or functions like a Quarian weapon. But fine and the arc pistol, is it good? I have no idea but that and most of your arguments are conjecture. You have a strong preference which is great. But claiming historical accuracy is a bit much.



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Alright what is going on here?

 

Since you are a human and work for the Alliance, and since humans are war profiteers by nature, most of the guns in the game are human.

 

Claymore is human.  That's the end of the discussion.  It was a human design, even if it was too powerful for humans.  Is a for profit company going to flush their R&D money?  Nope, find a new market.

 

Widow is of unknown origin.  Whether or not it appears in the Geth Server mission is irrelevant, since all the Quarian soldiers carry Vindicators and wear their environ suits.  Legion states that images in the consensus draw from Shepard's memories, and are just a representation of the historical facts.  However, even if this wasn't the case this remains ambiguous since the Quarians didn't invent the Geth until they were already minor members of Council space.  So it is possible that the weapon was bought from a different council race.  Vindicator is ERCS and Turian, and perhaps it existed back then.

 

 

Weighing in at 39 kilograms, the Widow Anti-Material Rifle is primarily used by sniper teams in assault missions against armored vehicles or krogan. While kinetic barriers offer effective protection on vehicles, the kind generated by conventional military field generators are far too weak against the Widow.

 

The Widow was never designed to be carried and fired by a human. Although this modified model can be carried, no ordinary human could fire it without shattering an arm.

Perhaps it was really Quarian, but it is really just unknown.  One of the races likely invented it for the role in the description.  Perhaps it is really Asari?

 

Legion has a "Geth Rifle," but the Geth just gave Shepard specs for a rifle that could be fabricated in SR2's armory most likely, so it was probably a modified organic design of some sort.

 

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Carnifex isn't necessarily human, the best evidence is just that you can buy it from Kassa, but other guns can be bought from there as well that are likely not human.  Phalanx is definitely human, or at least developed for humans.  Predator is ERCS (Turian). 

 

Mattock is a human weapon, and the Argus was intended to be a development of the Mattock.  Revenant is unknown.  In ME2 even Geth run them.

 

Eviscerator is human, and Wraith might be human (although could have been modded by someone else).

 

Scimitar and Katana in game are supposed to be from Ariake, and as such they are human.  Scimitar in ME1 was Elkoss and therfore volus.

 

Shuriken is Elkoss and volus.  Tempest is ERCS and therefore Turian, like the Vindicator. Locust is Kassa and human. 

 

Mantis is Devlon, but I am not sure what race owns that company.  Viper is Rosenkov (human).  Don't know about Incisor, it is bought from Kassa but is otherwise indeterminate. 

 

It is tricky to do any of this though because as we see in modern times a weapon could be designed in one country, but manufactured by a different country's firm.  Is an M16 made by FN American or Belgian?  Avenger is an Elkoss produced weapon, but standard issue in the Alliance.  I would call it volus for this purpose though (don't know who submitted the design).


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so what I understand is that Quarian Master Race does not actually understand Geth.

 

At all.


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Preferences are everything, "objectively". I love the Widow but I can't see how can be reasoned as a "Qurian" weapon. Nothing about it looks or functions like a Quarian weapon. But fine and the arc pistol, is it good? I have no idea but that and most of your arguments are conjecture. You have a strong preference which is great. But claiming historical accuracy is a bit much.

The Reegar has the single highest DPS in the entire game, so he's right about that. Nothing else can even come close without exploiting multi-hits or incendiary glitching (both of which are things the Reegar is capable of as well).

The Arc Pistol also out-damages the Black Widow as long as it's fully charged, so that's another point to him.

No comment on the Widow, since the jury is still out on the race responsible for it's creation.

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Claymore is human designed.



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Does this unit have a soul?

Irrelevant question considering the absurdity of the concept of a non corporeal "soul". The quarian who originally answered that question wrongly should be shot for treason. The geth are machines because they were designed for the specific purpose of serving their creators, not because of pseudo religious nonsense.

 

Preferences are everything, "objectively". I love the Widow but I can't see how can be reasoned as a "Qurian" weapon. Nothing about it looks or functions like a Quarian weapon. But fine and the arc pistol, is it good? I have no idea but that and most of your arguments are conjecture. You have a strong preference which is great. But claiming historical accuracy is a bit much.

Insofar as you know that quarian weapons such as the Reegar and Arc pistol are objectively the "best" at killing things in a quick and efficient manner via TTK, you can have whatever subjective preferences you like. Probably the single most overpowered pure weapons combination anyone can carry in this game if skill isn't factored in is a Reegar for close range boss melting, and an Arc pistol for headshotting mooks with rapid efficiency.

The Widow is being discussed throughout the thread. It's origins are not 100% certain like some other weapons in game, but it is most likely quarian based on circumstantial evidence.

Historical accuracy comments were directed at you bringing up the Morning War, which is irrelevant.



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Alliance M-96 Mattock + Cerberus Evil Engineering = Cerberus Harrier


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The Reegar has the single highest DPS in the entire game, so he's right about that. Nothing else can even come close without exploiting multi-hits or incendiary glitching (both of which are things the Reegar is capable of as well).

The Arc Pistol also out-damages the Black Widow as long as it's fully charged, so that's another point to him.

No comment on the Widow, since the jury is still out on the race responsible for it's creation.

 

Mathematical DPS is a fine thing and I'm not arguing that. But not everyone that uses a Reegar in a match is at the top of the scoreboard. Far from it I'd say actually. Same with the "theorhetical" DPS of the arc pistol. If you wanna show me game where a skilled marksman with a Widow is outscored on pure damage by a arc pistol let me know. I get what you guys are saying but functional DPS is where players usually end up. And a player in their comfort zone can exceed the listed DPS on any weapon.

 

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so what I understand is that Quarian Master Race does not actually understand Geth.

 

At all.

I understand them perfectly. Tools designed to serve their creators. Nothing more, and there is nothing wrong with that unless you are a bleeding heart that believes in civil rights for your toaster.


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The Reegar has the single highest DPS in the entire game, so he's right about that. Nothing else can even come close without exploiting multi-hits or incendiary glitching (both of which are things the Reegar is capable of as well).The Arc Pistol also out-damages the Black Widow as long as it's fully charged, so that's another point to him.No comment on the Widow, since the jury is still out on the race responsible for it's creation.


Reegar can't multi hit iirc
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Whoever made the Talon.
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I understand them perfectly. Tools designed to serve their creators. Nothing more, and there is nothing wrong with that unless you are a bleeding heart that believes in civil rights for your toaster.

 

My toaster works hard too, buddy. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me.


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Claymore is human designed.

 

Claymore is Krogan, this is one people are going to have to resign to good old common sense. I know what it "says" but come on. No one has ever looked at a Claymore thought "yeah, human".

 

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Reegar can't multi hit iirc


Not even with double piercing mods/AP ammo? Good to know, in case I ever feel like using it again.
>not using incen iv on reegar

 

Mathematical DPS is a fine thing and I'm not arguing that. But not everyone that uses a Reegar in a match is at the top of the scoreboard. Far from it I'd say actually. Same with the "theorhetical" DPS of the arc pistol. If you wanna show me game where a skilled marksman with a Widow is outscored on pure damage by a arc pistol let me know. I get what you guys are saying but functional DPS is where players usually end up. And a player in their comfort zone can exceed the listed DPS on any weapon.


I'm not even sure where to begin with this.
-If I'm reading this right, by your logic, mathematical/theoretical DPS is irrelevant because not everyone who uses x gun will top the scoreboard with it.
-What platform do you play on? I am a bit of an Arc Pistol connoisseur. Also, I never mentioned the regular Widow regarding the Arc Pistol. Either way, I do it fairly often.
-How can the maximum theoretical DPS be exceeded simply by a player who is "in their comfort zone"? It's the maximum for a reason.

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Not even with double piercing mods? Good to know, in case I ever feel like using it again.


I don't remember how cyonan explained it to me but the reegar electricity is like a floating projectile that's why if you put mods you can't shoot through a wall.

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I'm inclined to go with Cerberus on this.

 

Talon is the best Pistol, and also the best Shotgun.

 

Harrier is the best Assault Rifle.

 

Hornet, maybe I will give it another try.  I did like it on Turians, and Kalence says the damage is pretty good.



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Time is chime in on the Quarian master race:

 

I don't care for their weapons as all, the Reegar is "fun" but even as a lover of CQC I'd rather have several other weapons. And they did get kicked off their own planet and continue to fear the Geth. Arc Grenades are amazing but other than that they just seem to have battlefield tricks that are fun to watch but not all that effective.

I'm sorry. Wat?

 

I get killstreaks routinely on Platinum and they own Geth.


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I'm not even sure where to begin with this.

 

Just apply your listed IQ, if it's high enough everything you do is smart


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Where does it say Wraith was made by Blood Pack/Eclipse/Blue Suns?