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[The BLVD Knight]

I'm sorry. Wat?

 

I get killstreaks routinely on Platinum and they own Geth.

 

Not arc grendaes, they again are amazing. I was refereing to the other Quarian weapons as unique or fun.

[Quarian Master Race]

 

 

Talon is the best Pistol, and also the best Shotgun.

 

No

Arc pistol for former and Reegar for latter. Talon is for people who can't aim an Arc Pistol

The Carrier is a given for AR's, though, I'll agree.

SMG discussion is irrelevant when the durricane exists.

[The BLVD Knight]

Where does it say Wraith was made by Blood Pack/Eclipse/Blue Suns?

 

It doesn't claim a specific orgin. The Mercs employ it the most it seems so I just slapped it there. Like I said if you have an origin for a weapon feel free.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

No

Arc pistol for former and Reegar for latter. Talon is for people who can't aim an Arc Pistol

The Arc Pistol doesn't get 1.5x bonus damage to shields/barriers, and in the time it takes to charge + fire, the Talon would have already killed whatever you were going for. And although the Reegar is classed as a shotgun, it doesn't fit the standard definition since it fires a constant stream as opposed to pellets.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Arc Pistol, and agree that it's the best pistol in the game, but denouncing the Talon is dumb.

[NuclearTech76]

I see some of your points but fun is subjective. Efficiency is backed by math and in game performance. If we're considering "best" weapons in terms of effectiveness there are two weapons that are Quarian which are the best in their respective classes on paper and in game as proven by most of the best solo times, Arc Pistol and the Reegar. I would like to add that I despise the Reegar I have no  respect for the weapon in terms of fun but it is a killing machine. 

[DemiserofD]

If we're talking fastest cqc killing time, the claymore beats out the reegar against the vast majority of enemies...

 

Heck, with a human soldier a claymore can kill a scion or brute in about a quarter of a second. I'd love to see a reegar do that. Against infantry it kills them instantly, while the reegar has its warmup time and then a few ticks before it kills them.

 

Lord Claymore, on the other hand, can not only kill mooks instantly, it can punch through the first one and kill the SECOND one instantly. And then the third.

 

Plus it has godly range.

 

Plus it sounds cooler.

 

Sure, in theory the reegar does better with incindiary versus bosses, but in my experience, the time waiting for incindiary ticks to kill things is time you could be spending killing other things. Plus, why are you killing bosses when there are mooks left to murderize? You're being inefficient! 

 

Claymore>Reegar

[FasterThanFTL]

It doesn't claim a specific orgin. The Mercs employ it the most it seems so I just slapped it there. Like I said if you have an origin for a weapon feel free.

 

Since Eviscerator is an Alliance weapon I would say Wraith is too.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

with a human soldier a claymore can kill a scion or brute in about a quarter of a second. I'd love to see a reegar do that.

[The BLVD Knight]

 

I'm not even sure where to begin with this.
-If I'm reading this right, by your logic, mathematical/theoretical DPS is irrelevant because not everyone who uses x gun will top the scoreboard with it.
-What platform do you play on? I am a bit of an Arc Pistol connoisseur. Also, I never mentioned the regular Widow regarding the Arc Pistol. Either way, I do it fairly often.
-How can the maximum theoretical DPS be exceeded simply by a player who is "in their comfort zone"? It's the maximum for a reason.

- It's not irrelevant but it's not the end all be all either. Player skill ultimately determines DPS just like a race car on any track with the highest horsepower isn't automatically the winner. So you basically argured my point against you and won.

 

-I'm on XBL, I'd love to see you or anyone wreck with the Arc pistol. I'd be impressed and might have a new toy

 

- I saw my friend crumple 2  reasonably healthy banshees with a Javelin from the hip, this is just what he does. I clutch my Venom II like my life depends on it because I've seen people do things with a Venom X that souldn't be possible. Collaterals, bank shots, gold head shot medal on wave 2. listed DPS cannot account for very skilled players and ungenuity. I know on a long enough time line the DPS averages out but I've seen some spikes that boggles the mind.

[DemiserofD]

 

A: I don't see any scions or brutes. I don't get it.

 

B: Killing atlases clearly takes like 3-4 seconds, far beyond my stipulated time window.

 

C: Those Dragoons would have died instantly to Lord Claymore. 

 

Kneel before Claymore!

[d_nought]

hoomans aka "youmanity"

 

thank you based wraith/saber/typhoon/talon/carrier/black widow/chaos zweihander

[The BLVD Knight]

 

Ah...PC, I undertand now

[NuclearTech76]

If we're talking fastest cqc killing time, the claymore beats out the reegar against the vast majority of enemies...

 

Heck, with a human soldier a claymore can kill a scion or brute in about a quarter of a second. I'd love to see a reegar do that. Against infantry it kills them instantly, while the reegar has its warmup time and then a few ticks before it kills them.

 

Lord Claymore, on the other hand, can not only kill mooks instantly, it can punch through the first one and kill the SECOND one instantly. And then the third.

 

Plus it has godly range.

 

Plus it sounds cooler.

 

Sure, in theory the reegar does better with incindiary versus bosses, but in my experience, the time waiting for incindiary ticks to kill things is time you could be spending killing other things. Plus, why are you killing bosses when there are mooks left to murderize? You're being inefficient! 

 

Claymore>Reegar

Lolwaiting. Someone post Sirian's BatSoldier solo with the Reegar. The Claymore is awesome, it is the almighty boomstick of this game but even it can't do what the Reegar does. The Reegar is completely imbalanced to a stupid degree. 

[NuclearTech76]

Since Eviscerator is an Alliance weapon I would say Wraith is too.

Wraith was a pirate weapon at one time I seem to remember maybe ME2 that was the description. 

[d_nought]

Venom X

gold head shot medal on wave 2

joe hexagon teach me ur way

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

-I'm on XBL, I'd love to see you or anyone wreck with the Arc pistol. I'd be impressed and might have a new toy

Ah, that's the one platform I don't play on. Maybe someone here can volunteer?
 

- I saw my friend crumple 2  reasonably healthy banshees with a Javelin from the hip, this is just what he does. I clutch my Venom II like my life depends on it because I've seen people do things with a Venom X that souldn't be possible. Collaterals, bank shots, gold head shot medal on wave 2. listed DPS cannot account for very skilled players and ungenuity. I know on a long enough time line the DPS averages out but I've seen some spikes that boggles the mind.

Hmm... The Venom is a projectile weapon, and therefore is incapable of getting headshots or penetration, but killing multiple enemies with a charged shot is very common. Same for bank shots.

While it's true that listed DPS can't account for all factors, it takes more than a player's skill to exceed it.
 

A: I don't see any scions or brutes. I don't get it.

B: Killing atlases clearly takes like 3-4 seconds, far beyond my stipulated time window.

C: Those Dragoons would have died instantly to Lord Claymore.

Kneel before Claymore!

It's the only video I could find on short notice. And yes, I am aware of what you're doing
 

Ah...PC, I undertand now

No, it's just that good. Sure, it's better at higher frame rates because of how the game handles damage calculations, but I assure you there were no modifications made to any of it's values.

[NuclearTech76]

Ah, that's the one platform I don't play on. Maybe someone here can volunteer?

Hmm... The Venom is a projectile weapon, and therefore is incapable of getting headshots or penetration, but killing multiple enemies with a charged shot is very common. Same for bank shots.

While it's true that listed DPS can't account for all factors, it takes more than a player's skill to exceed it.

Max would be the best one if he can be bothered. Not sure how good Reefa is with it but he's good with damn near everything if he can be bothered to quit the hacker race. Just make sure to shower before coming back on XBL, no telling what you've contracted fraternizing with those dirty PC lepers.

[The BLVD Knight]

joe hexagon teach me ur way

 

Who is this Joe Hexagon and does he have any room on his friends list?

[d_nought]

Who is this Joe Hexagon and does he have any room on his friends list?

 

he doesn't even play single player games anymore lol

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

he doesn't even play single player games anymore lol

It looks like Anno took down the 33 milliseconds video, and I couldn't find the original, either. Now Joy Hapsatrop will only exist in the hushed whispers of the old-timers.

[Deerber]

 

Claymore is human.  That's the end of the discussion.  It was a human design, even if it was too powerful for humans.  Is a for profit company going to flush their R&D money?  Nope, find a new market.

 

 

 

Claymore is human designed.

 

It goes BOOOM. It's Krogan. Period

 

Reegar can't multi hit iirc

 

 

I don't remember how cyonan explained it to me but the reegar electricity is like a floating projectile that's why if you put mods you can't shoot through a wall.

 

Care to show some source on that? Cause as far as I know, the Reegar is perfectly capable of piercing and of multi hits.

 

If we're talking fastest cqc killing time, the claymore beats out the reegar against the vast majority of enemies...

 

Heck, with a human soldier a claymore can kill a scion or brute in about a quarter of a second. I'd love to see a reegar do that. Against infantry it kills them instantly, while the reegar has its warmup time and then a few ticks before it kills them.

 

Lord Claymore, on the other hand, can not only kill mooks instantly, it can punch through the first one and kill the SECOND one instantly. And then the third.

 

Plus it has godly range.

 

Plus it sounds cooler.

 

Sure, in theory the reegar does better with incindiary versus bosses, but in my experience, the time waiting for incindiary ticks to kill things is time you could be spending killing other things. Plus, why are you killing bosses when there are mooks left to murderize? You're being inefficient! 

 

Claymore>Reegar

 

While I do commend your appreciation for the High Lord and your enthusiasm... I don't think a Hsol can kill either a Scion or Brute with it, in 1/4 of a second...

[capn233]

Wraith was a pirate weapon at one time I seem to remember maybe ME2 that was the description. 

 

Wraith wasn't in ME2.  The Eviscerator was and had this description:

 

 

 

The Lieberschaft 2180 shotgun, or "Eviscerator," is of human civilian design and has a unique ammunition generator. Where most modern firearms shave off chips or pellets from an ammunition block, the M-22 shaves off serrated metal wedges designed to fly aerodynamically. This dramatically improves its armor-piercing capabilities, and its tight grouping helps wound ballistics at longer ranges than standard shotguns. This design also violates several intergalactic weapons treaties, so the M-22 is not distributed to militaries.

 

One of the few that has basically the identical description in ME3.  Anyway, Wraith just says this:

 

 

 

The Wraith is favored among mercenaries, pirates, and slavers in the Terminus systems. Its high-impact damage and sturdy construction make it a popular "quick-draw" shotgun. A variant of the M-22 Eviscerator, demand for the Wraith is higher than ever, even though the weapon is banned in Citadel space. In order to lighten its weight, the Wraith holds fewer shots than the Eviscerator.

So we don't know.  This falls into the ambiguous zone.  I would probably tend to just list it as Human in origin, if not Alliance.  Then again another real life example that shows this might be a false assumption is the HK416, which is a German modified version of an American weapon.

[NuclearTech76]

 

While I do commend your appreciation for the High Lord and your enthusiasm... I don't think a Hsol can kill either a Scion or Brute with it, in 1/4 of a second...

Thermal clip stacking begs to disagree.