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[n7stormrunner]

No, I don't want to be "Human with pointy ears". Suggesting all non-Dalish elves are just that is no more accurate than humans saying they are like the Dalish. They are their our cultures. 

 

So honestly explain to me: why can't it be there AS AN OPTION! Unless every other conversation is going to be about your tattoos, I see no good reason for it being forced. 

 

 

because dalish have the god forsaken things. end of story. cry me a river of tears. it don't change that dalish have the vallaslin. you don't like well deal with it like everyone else that doesn't get it.

 

as I said, you don't like it mods will show up . otherwise stick to lore and don't count on bioware working off your fanfics.

 

and city elves are basically poor humans their culture for the most part is basically human down to even their religion. there is more difference between ferelden  and orlais then city elf and human within each country. 

[ClassicBox]

I think it would be nice if people could go tattoo-less, but I am very happy they are sticking to lore.

It all comes down to the background. If you play an elf, you will be a Dalish. That is all we get. Bioware's lore has established Dalish elves have Vallaslin when they reach adulthood (at 18). Our Inquisitor is older than that. You can head cannon as to why they wouldn't have it, but you can pretty much head cannon anything. As that is all it is. And it has already been stated that they do not support head cannon in-game. By offering no face tattoos, they would be supporting head cannon. 'Tis unfortunate, but it is as it is and with reason.

[drummerchick]

 

 

I'm not asking for a blank slate. I'm asking for a blank face and the ability to have misgivings about a culture.

 

Bottom line: you can't have a blank face, because this is a very specific character that Bioware is presenting to us. They're just Not giving us the option.
 
They have said that through the course of the game we can flesh out our backstory through dialogue, so I'm hoping for a chance to tell people how much I hated living in the woods with my backward-thinking clan, or how much I did not want to join the Chantry priesthood.

[KBomb]

Not really, since Vallaslin isn't forced onto the person. But hey, if they have a "My clan held me down while they applied it, me kicking and screaming the whole time" then fine, I'll accept that. But we both know they won't. I'm just afraid our only options will be a few shades of "Yes, Keeper. No, Keeper. Can't have any fun with a stick up my a**, Keeper." character since they are limiting it this much.

Again, big difference between completely different plotlines and an option in the CC.

Well your character is loyal to the dalish and the traditions. If you're a mage, you're going to be Keeper. Being loyal to tradition and ritual is a requirement. If you're a hunter, your job is to provide and protect your tribe. You need to be loyal or else I doubt the Keeper would trust you enough to send you as her right-hand, i.e her eyes and ears.

This is probably going to be important to the story and plot. Once again, the writers are not responsible for making headcanons make sense.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bottom line: you can't have a blank face, because this is a very specific character that Bioware is presenting to us. They're just Not giving us the option.
 
They have said that through the course of the game we can flesh out our backstory through dialogue, so I'm hoping for a chance to tell people how much I hated living in the woods with my backward-thinking clan, or how much I did not want to join the Chantry priesthood.

You realize how stupid that would look, right? Not saying you are, but the situation. It would be something like: "I hate my clan and the Dalish ways, but I let them graph their mark on my face." Just doesn't make sense. 

[n7stormrunner]

You realize how stupid that would look, right? Not saying you are, but the situation. It would be something like: "I hate my clan and the Dalish ways, but I let them graph their mark on my face." Just doesn't make sense. 

 

 

then say hi to the alienage for me.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well your character is loyal to the dalish and the traditions. If you're a mage, you're going to be Keeper. Being loyal to tradition and ritual is a requirement. If you're a hunter, your job is to provide and protect your tribe. You need to be loyal or else I doubt the Keeper would trust you enough to send you as her right-hand, i.e her eyes and ears.

This is probably going to be important to the story and plot. Once again, the writers are not responsible for making headcanons make sense.

No, my character is what I decide it to be with the options presented. If the only option is something I wouldn't choose if there were other options, it is not my character. 

 

And again, I ask why having the markings is so important? Is there going to be 30 discussions about the tattoos on your face or something? 

[HiroVoid]

And again, I ask why having the markings is so important? Is there going to be 30 discussions about the tattoos on your face or something? 

There's a likely chance your inquisitor'll be recognized instantly as Dalish due to the markings on his/her face due to interactions with certain characters.

[PCThug]

I assume they want other characters to be more reactive to your race/background. Having vallaslin are the easiest way for other characters to know you're dalish from sight alone. It was probably just easier for them to require it than have to have a character without them explain that they're not a city elf every time it came up. Maybe it saved on the word budget.

[KBomb]

No, my character is what I decide it to be with the options presented. If the only option is something I wouldn't choose if there were other options, it is not my character.

And again, I ask why having the markings is so important? Is there going to be 30 discussions about the tattoos on your face or something?

This thread if filled with posts about how important it is for a dalish to have them. If you refuse to see them because you want your character to be the exact way you want or else it can't be "yours", then there is nothing else I can say to you. It seems you just don't want to be a Dalish elf. You want to be a regular elf and you want Bioware to facilitate that for you.

And you're right-- your character is what you decide it to be with the options provided. One of the options is a Dalish elf with Vallaslin. Enjoy.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Having a Dalish without the tatoo being sent to such an important mission would be like making Shepard 12 years old at the start of Mass Effect.

 

Options are nice. But if the devs decide they clash with the lore too much, so be it. Lord knows Dragon Age needs to stick to its lore every chance it gets.

 

Besides, who says that getting a tatoo = super duper loyal Dalish? You could easily chafe under your clan's restrictions and still get the tat because it's expected of you, and use the Inquisition as an opportunity to break free of that. Dialogue options are still a thing.

[drummerchick]

You realize how stupid that would look, right? Not saying you are, but the situation. It would be something like: "I hate my clan and the Dalish ways, but I let them graph their mark on my face." Just doesn't make sense. 

Not necessarily.   I can be conflicted.
I am loyal to my clan because they are my family, and the ways of the Dalish are all I have known. I may have wanted to run away from them for a long time, but severing all ties can be hard. Even if leaving would be the best thing for me, I may struggle with it, so I get my Vallaslin and act like a good Dalish. I silently suffer.  Until an opportunity presents itself.  

 

[drummerchick]

Running away is kind of the opposite of loyalty.

Hence why I am conflicted.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There's a likely chance your inquisitor'll be recognized instantly as Dalish due to the markings on his/her face due to interactions with certain characters.

There can be other ways to identify you as Dalish. Most people will have heard of you by the time you meet them anyway. 

 

I assume they want other characters to be more reactive to your race/background. Having vallaslin are the easiest way for other characters to know you're dalish from sight alone. It was probably just easier for them to require it than have to have a character without them explain that they're not a city elf every time it came up. Maybe it saved on the word budget.

I fear for the Human story then, considering if simply explaining the tattoo away was too costly to be practical, how much shallower did they have to make the humans who have two very different backstories. 

 

This thread if filled with posts about how important it is for a dalish to have them. If you refuse to see them because you want your character to be the exact way you want or else it can't be "yours", then there is nothing else I can say to you. It seems you just don't want to be a Dalish elf. You want to be a regular elf and you want Bioware to facilitate that for you.

And you're right-- your character is what you decide it to be with the options provided. One of the options is a Dalish elf with Vallaslin. Enjoy.

I was just answering your part about "Well, your character..." in your previous post. And I'm fine being a Dalish Elf, if I can be a rebellious one. That is a compromise I can live with. But no, we're stuck with one who is a loyal servant. 

 

 

Having a Dalish without the tatoo being sent to such an important mission would be like making Shepard 12 years old at the start of Mass Effect.

 

Options are nice. But if the devs decide they clash with the lore too much, so be it. Lord knows Dragon Age needs to stick to its lore every chance it gets.

 

Besides, who says that getting a tatoo = super duper loyal Dalish? You could easily chafe under your clan's restrictions and still get the tat because it's expected of you, and use the Inquisition as an opportunity to break free of that. Dialogue options are still a thing.

Nonsense. An adult is different than a preteen, both physically and mentally. The only biological difference between a Dalish with Vallaslin and one without is that one has blood and ink in their face. 

 

Getting the tattoo is agreeing to devote your self to the clan, so I would say that counts as "super duper loyal". You could get less loyal afterwords sure, but even if you got that way the day after getting marked, that still means that for 90%-45% of your life you were devoted enough to them to give your life to them by the time Inquisition happens. 

 

 

Not necessarily.   I can be conflicted.
I am loyal to my clan because they are my family, and the ways of the Dalish are all I have known. I may have wanted to run away from them for a long time, but severing all ties can be hard. Even if leaving would be the best thing for me, I may struggle with it, so I get my Vallaslin and act like a good Dalish. I silently suffer.  Until an opportunity presents itself.  

Instead of loyalty, you should say love. You can't be loyal to something you want to run away from, and yet you can stay for love. 

[falconlord5]

You realize how stupid that would look, right? Not saying you are, but the situation. It would be something like: "I hate my clan and the Dalish ways, but I let them graph their mark on my face." Just doesn't make sense. 

Happens all the time in the real world.

[drummerchick]

There can be other ways to identify you as Dalish. Most people will have heard of you by the time you meet them anyway. 

 

 

I agree, the Dalish armor in Origins had a distinctive look. Non Dalish elves or servants might wear all manner of different outfits (ranging from rags to finery), but I'm sure the Dalish would be easily distinguished, even by shems who've never seen one, by virtue of their outfit being so different.

Kallen Kouzuki/Stadtfeld, on 22 Aug 2014 - 3:51 PM, said:

Instead of loyalty, you should say love. You can't be loyal to something you want to run away from, and yet you can stay for love. 

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on semantics here. I see the conflict stemming from my ambivalence. I am being pulled in two directions. I am an emotional Schrodinger cat. lol


Edit on visual difference of elves:  Not sure why, but I just get the feeling the Dalish would walk with a sense of pride. I think Fenris said something about their smug superiority being hard to miss. But I think some ALienage elves  and elven servants (as described in Masked Empire) would be used to walking with heads bowed and avoiding eye contact with humans.  Just a thought.

Modifié par drummerchick, 22 août 2014 - 08:13 .

[n7stormrunner]

 

I agree, the Dalish armor in Origins had a distinctive look. Non Dalish elves or servants might wear all manner of different outfits (ranging from rags to finery), but I'm sure the Dalish would be easily distinguished, even by shems who've never seen one, by virtue of their outfit being so different.

Kallen Kouzuki/Stadtfeld, on 22 Aug 2014 - 3:51 PM, said:

Instead of loyalty, you should say love. You can't be loyal to something you want to run away from, and yet you can stay for love. 

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on semantics here. I see the conflict stemming from my ambivalence. I am being pulled in two directions. I am an emotional Schrodinger cat. lol


Edit on visual difference of elves:  Not sure why, but I just get the feeling the Dalish would walk with a sense of pride. I think Fenris said something about their smug superiority being hard to miss. But I think some ALienage elves  and elven servants (as described in Masked Empire) would be used to walking with heads bowed and avoiding eye contact with humans.  Just a thought.

 

 

 

dalish would indeed walk with pride. because being proud of being a elf is being dalish is all about. which gives a good in universe reason why vallaslin are on the face not somewhere else on the body.

[Lady Luminous]

No, my character is what I decide it to be with the options presented. If the only option is something I wouldn't choose if there were other options, it is not my character. 

 

And again, I ask why having the markings is so important? Is there going to be 30 discussions about the tattoos on your face or something? 

 

There is such a think as mob mentality and peer pressure, didn't you realize?

 

You can begin to hate something after you've finally left it's reaches. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There is such a think as mob mentality and peer pressure, didn't you realize?

 

You can begin to hate something after you've finally left it's reaches. 

Yes, I know about mob mentality and peer pressure. 

[Lady Luminous]

Yes, I know about mob mentality and peer pressure. 

You're just not going to acknowledge the possibility of a Dalish inquisitor getting the vallaslin under duress of peer-pressure. I see. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You're just not going to acknowledge the possibility of a Dalish inquisitor getting the vallaslin under duress of peer-pressure. I see. 

Well, if I say that my Inquisitor was indoctrinated or under peer pressure I had a feeling the Pro-Dalish people would jump on me for that. 

[Lady Luminous]

Well, if I say that my Inquisitor was indoctrinated or under peer pressure I had a feeling the Pro-Dalish people would jump on me for that. 

 

Even though others have already suggested it previously in this very thread?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Even though others have already suggested it previously in this very thread?

Yes. People read posts differently depending on who is posting it. It can be word for word, but they can think there is an entirely different tone to it if from one person than if from another. It's a fault in text-based communication. Over 90% of a message's intent comes from sources other than the words. 

[The Night Haunter]

They're also confirmed to be mandatory for Elven Inquisitors

 

 

I don't like this, personally. I think it would be a cool thing to show that your Inquisitor is a bit of a rebel. "I don't need to put some blood writing on my face to prove I can handle myself."

I don't think there is a single Dalish that doesn't have Vallaslin once they reach adulthood, so it is great they are forcing your Dalish Elf to have these tattoos. No such things as Dalish 'rebels'.

 

Not having Vallaslin wouldn't make sense at all.