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[q5tyhj]

They are, a class that is supposed to be a close fighting melee class is massively handicapped by being slow, no dodge, a huge hit box, a bad dyanmic in which you have to chose melee or health and shields.  They can't keep up with the other classes if you have people close in ability.  It's a pity but it's the truth imo.  They can play great for 3 waves then sit out the next one after being sync'd.  For being such a great war like race with double organs they got the shat from bioware.  Freakin well played volus are more surviveable.

What is this.. I don't even... Krogan can't keep up with other races? Try telling that to the cheesemeister (aka KroSol), who can keep pace with pretty much any kit in the game. 

 

And I doubt I get sync'd with Krogans, or no-dodge kits generally, any more than with dodge kits, since the lack of a dodge makes you be more careful than you would be otherwise (sometimes fast/great dodge kits give you sort of a false sense of security, and then you get too close and *wham*, banshee fingers/phantom sword through your solar plexus). 

[Deerber]

They are, a class that is supposed to be a close fighting melee class is massively handicapped by being slow, no dodge, a huge hit box, a bad dyanmic in which you have to chose melee or health and shields. They can't keep up with the other classes if you have people close in ability. It's a pity but it's the truth imo. They can play great for 3 waves then sit out the next one after being sync'd. For being such a great war like race with double organs they got the shat from bioware. Freakin well played volus are more surviveable.

I can agree that they do not resemble, in MP, what lore pictures them to be in SP. I can agree that they could have been designed better, and that melee in general was not designed in a good way in this game (and hey, deservedly so in my opinion: it's a goddamn futuristic shooter game. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't expect melee to play a huge role in conflicts in a couple hundred years. One melee every now and then is cool and all, and sometimes even useful, and that, they let us do... But shooting the target is always gonna be faster because... Well because it is?!).


But... Krogans can't keep up with other classes? Man, I don't wanna go the L2... Way, but seriously, tell me what game you're playing. Krogan Soldier is a complete beast, Krogan sentinel is among the best sentinels thanks to life nades, krogan shaman is an alright adept, krolord is... Well, a piece of **** for me, but that's just me, I guess it's not too bad with the right setup. Volus are waaaaaayyy worse of a race.

Sounds to me like you're forcefully trying to build them and use them with melee in mind as their only goal. Don't. Just spec them like you would with any other kit, and use their cool melee every now and then when it's cool/useful. You'll see that they work great.

[WestLakeDragon]

^This

 

My KroSent is specced out for Lift Grenades and Tech Armor only, with a good ole Claymore for good measure and I keep right on up, if not outright topping the scoreboards.

[Quarian Master Race]

There's nothing really wrong with the Krogan. Okay, the Warlord is a bit of a novelty unless you are playing geth, but otherwise? As said, if you aren't trying to build them to comically headbutt everything, most of them have great power sets. The soldier is downright overpowered against Reapers, and the Vanguard is just ridiculously cheesy against Geth even if you intentionally gimp yourself with a melee spec. They aren't even particularly immobile/slow like the Juggernaut, they just can't dodge or roll from cover to cover, and you get a good chunk of extra shielding to compensate anyway. (more than the OG Turians, who suffer from the exact same problems).

[Shampoohorn]

L2Quad beerfish. All your points are good ones, but krogan succeed regardless. I absolutely crushed a geth match yesterday with my krentinel. Sure my OPs packs were gone by wave 7 and Gels by wave 10, but that's the price you pay when you want to be the blender's blade.

[Peer of the Empire]

They are, a class that is supposed to be a close fighting melee class is massively handicapped by being slow, no dodge, a huge hit box, a bad dyanmic in which you have to chose melee or health and shields.  They can't keep up with the other classes if you have people close in ability.  It's a pity but it's the truth imo.  They can play great for 3 waves then sit out the next one after being sync'd.  For being such a great war like race with double organs they got the shat from bioware.  Freakin well played volus are more surviveable.

 

Krogans who get sync killed are either really bad or really good.  For me, since Platinum is smooth sailing I just don't give a ****

 

If you're in sober tryhard concentrate mode you'll never get syncd.  Once you're used to Platinum dying is nbd.  I've noticed a lot of Gold players seem deathly afraid of dying (heh).  It's very noticeable when graduated Gold players are trying Platinum.

 

Try an Acolyte melee build to make use of krogans' strengths or just cheese it with Reegar.  Alternatively, players can RP respectably with certain shotguns and ARs.  The only drawback to scoring is still having to get into melee range to make use of potential whereas infiltrators and the like can just shoot from afar

[Deerber]

Lol, I even forgot the Proguard XD

[Ashevajak]

L2Quad beerfish. All your points are good ones, but krogan succeed regardless. I absolutely crushed a geth match yesterday with my krentinel. Sure my OPs packs were gone by wave 7 and Gels by wave 10, but that's the price you pay when you want to be the blender's blade.

 

Yup.  I was pugging with my melee/grenade Kretinel the other day, and I dont think I scored less than 100k in a game, and topped the leaderboard in quite a few.   And I'm not even what you'd call a good player.  Ops and medigel were a bit low afterwards, but oneshotting most mooks with Martial Artist/Rage bonuses does a hell of a lot to make you live longer.  Throw a grenade into a spawn as you charge to knock em off balance, use the Graal to stagger anything that takes more than a hit to kill and then hit them again and don't be stupid around sync-kill or boss units. 

 

And, most importantly, headbutt everything.

[q5tyhj]

 

Try an Acolyte melee build...

 

No. Just, no. 

[Quarian Master Race]

Lol, I even forgot the Proguard XD

He is the choice of pros everywhere. How would solo mastery be possible for 90% of the playerbase without him?

[Barrogh]

He is the choice of pros everywhere. How would solo mastery be possible for 90% of the playerbase without him?

 

Probably by virtue of GJ+AC. Probably.

Not sure about that one platinum solo though, especially on objectives

Well, AIU maybe?..

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Probably by virtue of GJ+AC. Probably.

Not sure about that one platinum solo though, especially on objectives

Well, AIU maybe?..

You're right about the GJ, but not about the platinum solo, since that's optional for solo mastery.

[Barrogh]

You're right about the GJ, but not about the platinum solo, since that's optional for solo mastery.

Oh, somehow I though that it requires one. It must be single gold solo then (Inb4 I'm wrong again). Whatever. Off-topic is off-topic.

[Cassandra Saturn]

I can agree that they do not resemble, in MP, what lore pictures them to be in SP. I can agree that they could have been designed better, and that melee in general was not designed in a good way in this game (and hey, deservedly so in my opinion: it's a goddamn futuristic shooter game. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't expect melee to play a huge role in conflicts in a couple hundred years. One melee every now and then is cool and all, and sometimes even useful, and that, they let us do... But shooting the target is always gonna be faster because... Well because it is?!).


But... Krogans can't keep up with other classes? Man, I don't wanna go the L2... Way, but seriously, tell me what game you're playing. Krogan Soldier is a complete beast, Krogan sentinel is among the best sentinels thanks to life nades, krogan shaman is an alright adept, krolord is... Well, a piece of **** for me, but that's just me, I guess it's not too bad with the right setup. Volus are waaaaaayyy worse of a race.

Sounds to me like you're forcefully trying to build them and use them with melee in mind as their only goal. Don't. Just spec them like you would with any other kit, and use their cool melee every now and then when it's cool/useful. You'll see that they work great.

for once, I agree with this.

[Black_Mage]

Oh, somehow I though that it requires one. It must be single gold solo then (Inb4 I'm wrong again). Whatever. Off-topic is off-topic.

 

Actually, it is 2 Gold, 3 Silver and 5 Bronze.

[BronzTrooper]

Actually, it is 2 Gold, 3 Silver and 5 Bronze.

 

Pretty sure it was 2 gold, 5 silver, and 10 bronze.

 

EDIT: Just checked and yeah, it is 2 gold, 5 silver, and 10 bronze.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Pretty sure it was 2 gold, 5 silver, and 10 bronze.

 

EDIT: Just checked and yeah, it is 2 gold, 5 silver, and 10 bronze.

Yes, but it works the same way as Map Mastery, so the Silvers add Bronzes as well, and Golds add Silvers and Bronzes.

[BronzTrooper]

Yes, but it works the same way as Map Mastery, so the Silvers add Bronzes as well, and Golds add Silvers and Bronzes.

 

I forgot about that.  Good point.

[the_last_krogan]

Krogan kill all the things

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't expect melee to play a huge role in conflicts in a couple hundred years. One melee every now and then is cool and all, and sometimes even useful, and that, they let us do... But shooting the target is always gonna be faster because... Well because it is?!).
 

 

Depends on the target. Smacking a Bomber is quicker than shooting it. Same is true of Husks and Abominations. And Krogan melee causes enough stagger that the enemy (think Marauder) often can't shoot back.

 

Melee doesn't really depend on timeframe, it depends on space and force ratios. It's hard to imagine it becoming outmoded unless conflict takes place only at long distance.

[Peer of the Empire]

Depends on the target. Smacking a Bomber is quicker than shooting it. Same is true of Husks and Abominations. And Krogan melee causes enough stagger that the enemy (think Marauder) often can't shoot back.

 

Melee doesn't really depend on timeframe, it depends on space and force ratios. It's hard to imagine it becoming outmoded unless conflict takes place only at long distance.

 

Actually, I melee every mook that I can.  On Platinum, properly spec'd and equipped, Acolyte -> Carnage -> Fort refreshed heavy melee kills most in one pass.  Reverse Fortified melee -> Carnage for Phantoms to bypass DR.

 

In this manner, can essentially chain melee groups of mooks, killing faster than any gun.  And trigger Rage

 

If the amount of firepower in the open makes it impractical (no cyclonics), then just acolyte -> inferno nade -> carnage and everything explodes in fire

[Beerfish]

What is this.. I don't even... Krogan can't keep up with other races? Try telling that to the cheesemeister (aka KroSol), who can keep pace with pretty much any kit in the game. 

 

And I doubt I get sync'd with Krogans, or no-dodge kits generally, any more than with dodge kits, since the lack of a dodge makes you be more careful than you would be otherwise (sometimes fast/great dodge kits give you sort of a false sense of security, and then you get too close and *wham*, banshee fingers/phantom sword through your solar plexus). 

If you play even the krogan soldier you are keeping close by using inferno nades that's it.  And I would say that if you played with 3 guys of the same playing ability as you and they had a choice of their classes you would be left in the dust.  If you have to play 'more carefully' then for sure you will not keep up with players of the same ability with other classes. 

 

I recall playing with two very good bsners a while back after a similar thread where I was bashing krogan.  the 1st in progress match I played pretty good and they both handily beat my score by 40 or 50 thousand.  Then they both switched to krogan (going to teach me a lesson)  I used the Tsol.  Match was on London, I ended up 1st on the scoreboard.  I obviously was not a better player than either of them, I had a better class. 

 

For what they should be able to do they are one of if not the worst race and I'm saying this as a guy that likes the Krogan and likes playing them fine.  they just have too many drawbacks.

[Beerfish]

L2Quad beerfish. All your points are good ones, but krogan succeed regardless. I absolutely crushed a geth match yesterday with my krentinel. Sure my OPs packs were gone by wave 7 and Gels by wave 10, but that's the price you pay when you want to be the blender's blade.

Yeah, when i enter almost any lobby in which a krogan is the host it is set to Geth.   Wonder why,

[Shampoohorn]

Yeah, when i enter almost any lobby in which a krogan is the host it is set to Geth. Wonder why,

I wasnt the host, and it would have been the same story if cerb or rippers. It being geth was just a detail of the anecdote, as would have been my mention of the two Ghosts I carried - one with a harrier, one with hurrdurricane. Nice guys, very helpful. I helped them too... out of their exoskeletons at the end of the match. Delicious! Mwrawrrr.

[BronzTrooper]

If you play even the krogan soldier you are keeping close by using inferno nades that's it.  And I would say that if you played with 3 guys of the same playing ability as you and they had a choice of their classes you would be left in the dust.  If you have to play 'more carefully' then for sure you will not keep up with players of the same ability with other classes. 

 

Considering how I've gotten grabbed more often while playing more maneuverable kits than I've been grabbed while playing as my krogan while still outscoring entire lobbies, I'd say it really depends on your individual skill with playing as a krogan.  For example: The Krolord has a reputation for being one of the more common characters to be grabbed as, yet I've played dozens of matches as him and only got grabbed a small handful of times.  I've even gone through entire platinum matches without being grabbed once.

 

Saying that the krogan are the weakest race is just wrong.  All races have their strong points and their weak points and everyone plays them differently.  For example: I couldn't play the AIU well if my life depended on it, yet plenty of people say that it's an OP kit.  With the right build and playstyle, any kit can top the scoreboards repeatedly.  There is no true 'weak' race.