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Some thoughts from Stephen Hawking....

im sorry but that's just laughable

 

a species that can make artificial worm holes and suck star energy like fruit juice will NOT be interested in some random god forsaken M class planet that is already strained to the brink by us

 

if I can do what they can I would find the other 10 zillion M class planets that are fresh and new and they might even have binary star systems that way I have more sun candy to eat 


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I'm sure there's alien life somewhere, maybe not even in this galaxy, but I think chances of Earth being the only planet with life in the entire universe are almost impossible. Especially considering evidence of microscopic life on other planets even in our solar system.

But I highly doubt we'll ever have any contact with aliens. Besides, who knows if we're the ones who are not developed enough.

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I'm sure there's alien life somewhere, maybe not even in this galaxy, but I think chances of Earth being the only planet with life in the entire universe are almost impossible. Especially considering evidence of microscopic life on other planets even in our solar system.

But I highly doubt we'll ever have any contact with aliens. Besides, who knows if we're the ones who are not developed enough.

 

My thoughts exactly! -_- Smart man this is ;)


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I think aliens know we're here, but we're that one bad neighborhood nobody wants to drive through.

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There's an old story that goes something like:

It would not be particularly hard to create a WMD that would be strategically significant along interstellar distances given a sufficient timespan. Take a large lump of mass, but an engine on it that converts electricity to motion even if very inefficiently, point it at where your target is going to be and wait for it to get up to a significant percentage of light speed.

Even if we assume that most civilisations are peaceable by nature, you don't need many civilisations to be war-like for it to make sense not to advertise your location.

Or Blindsight's (Peter Watts) take on it: That intelligence is the result of life lived as an act of war against what is, and only continues past the basic development of comfort if you have intelligent opponents. That, in short, 'Technology implies belligerence.'

Or perhaps widely radiating strong transmissions are a very short term technology. That would not surprise me. If it wasn't necessarily that people switched to different frequencies, but that they started to go more and more point to point in their transmissions.

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i think the problem is we're looking for life JUST LIKE US. But maybe life in the universe is mostly like the dinosaurs with giant sea and land creatures and low intellect. If you think about our history of the planet, it took an EXTINCTION EVENT to usher in the development of mammals and humanities rise in creation.

What if we're the odd ones out because of that one big thing?

In conclusion, lets all build a Jurassic Space Park.

It's theorized that Troodons would've been able to evolve into a human-like species given time, but alas we'll never know for sure.

I think if there are any species capable of space travel out there they're in their infancy like us. Being held back by their own problems and traditions to gain any substantial progress.

Or it really is like every sci-fi movie ever and Earth just isn't held in high regard.

Space Jurassic Park sounds awesome.

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As far as the space dinos, before the dinos went extinct here there were smaller more intelligent dinos starting to take over such as the Raptor. Noone know for sure but they could have evolved into something that could use technology and later have been at least as smart as us.

 

As far as the technology to go warp, it is purely theory at this point. Sure it looks good on paper but we don't know it will work. Also until we can make fusion power viable you aren't going to generate enough power on a spacecraft to go FTL with fission it is just not powerful enough.


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Aliens both fascinate me to no end and scare the crap out of me. I will always be excited to watch a scary Alien movie and always pay for it with a few sleepless nights. I've always been that way.

 

I would be really saddened to learn we are alone in the Universe.



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 the faster than light Hubble telescope light cluster (light sources that moved faster than light

It's not actually moving faster than light:

The term `superluminal motion' is something of a misnomer.  While it 
accurately describes the speeds measured, scientists still believe the 
actual speed falls just below the speed of light.

``It's an illusion created by the finite speed of light and rapid motion," 
Biretta said.  ``Our present understanding is that this `superluminal motion' 
occurs when these clouds move towards Earth at speeds very close to that 
of light, in this case, more than 98 percent of the speed of light.  At 
these speeds the clouds nearly keep pace with the light they emit as they 
move towards Earth, so when the light finally reaches us, the motion appears 
much more rapid than the speed of light.  Since the moving clouds travel 
slightly slower than the speed of light, they do not actually violate 
Einstein's theory of relativity which sets light as the speed limit."

[url-http://www.stsci.edu...e/m87/press.txt]Source[/url].



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I think it's possible they've been here the whole time. I mean just look at the pyramids of Egypt. There's no way an ancient civilization could've built those monuments without some sort of advanced technology at the time. Even in today's day and age, it would be difficult to construct them with the resources that we have available. The Nasca Lines are another good indicator that they've been here already. We didn't even have the means for flight when those were created. I've even seen a UFO in the sky some years ago. Not I'm not saying it was aliens, but it definitely was shaped like a flying saucer. I mean who knows if we've already made contact?



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Because space is big, and so is time.
In order to make contact with another race they'd have to have developed realtively close, found a way around lightspeed, and also exist in the same fraction of the universe's timeline as us.



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It's not actually moving faster than light:

The term `superluminal motion' is something of a misnomer.  While it 
accurately describes the speeds measured, scientists still believe the 
actual speed falls just below the speed of light.

``It's an illusion created by the finite speed of light and rapid motion," 
Biretta said.  ``Our present understanding is that this `superluminal motion' 
occurs when these clouds move towards Earth at speeds very close to that 
of light, in this case, more than 98 percent of the speed of light.  At 
these speeds the clouds nearly keep pace with the light they emit as they 
move towards Earth, so when the light finally reaches us, the motion appears 
much more rapid than the speed of light.  Since the moving clouds travel 
slightly slower than the speed of light, they do not actually violate 
Einstein's theory of relativity which sets light as the speed limit."

[url-http://www.stsci.edu...e/m87/press.txt]Source[/url].

but its moving and it aint no star



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My thoughts exactly! -_- Smart man this is ;)


And a very smart woman :ph34r:

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people seem to miss the point that the universe is so vast and so complex that their are probably 10 to the power 1 billion civilizations that resemble us in almost every way right NOW maybe they have 3 eyes or 2 suns but I'm 100% sure they are on the same tech level as us living now wondering if they are alone (some might have alien neighbors in the same solar system)

 

which just leaves the other 40000 billion billion billion civilizations that are less advanced than us and the 400000 billion billion billion ones that are more advanced

 

I don't know about you but that's a LOT of cultures



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ALSO don't forget that Mars and Venus would have been BOTH earth like planets within our "habitability range"

 

sadly Mars went barren cause it was small

 

and Venus went derp cause it has no moon and its rotational speed got r2ped for some reason

 

but both planets were "habitable" at one point as in they had liquid water, in fact I believe that Mars was a garden world and more beautiful than earth at one time and it did have civilization on its surface... hope time shows that im right :P

 

if mars was a bit bigger and if Venus rotated at reasonable speeds we would have ALREADY colonized both planets or perhaps made first contact with the Martians and the Venusians


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I think it's possible they've been here the whole time. I mean just look at the pyramids of Egypt. There's no way an ancient civilization could've built those monuments without some sort of advanced technology at the time. Even in today's day and age, it would be difficult to construct them with the resources that we have available. The Nasca Lines are another good indicator that they've been here already. We didn't even have the means for flight when those were created. I've even seen a UFO in the sky some years ago. Not I'm not saying it was aliens, but it definitely was shaped like a flying saucer. I mean who knows if we've already made contact?

 

There is some speculation that a culture made very crude hot-air balloons and used them to view the landscape. Someone actually attempted and succeeded in building a low-tech hot-air balloon with materials that the Nasca would have had. I've seen an explanation for moving the Pyramid blocks, but I forgot it, I'll see if I can't find it.  

 

Source: http://www.cracked.c...by-science.html    [#9]

 

Edit: Found the thing on how they made the Pyramids. http://www.cracked.c...-solved_p2.html  [#2]



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people seem to miss the point that the universe is so vast and so complex that their are probably 10 to the power 1 billion civilizations that resemble us in almost every way right NOW maybe they have 3 eyes or 2 suns but I'm 100% sure they are on the same tech level as us living now wondering if they are alone (some might have alien neighbors in the same solar system)
 
which just leaves the other 40000 billion billion billion civilizations that are less advanced than us and the 400000 billion billion billion ones that are more advanced
 
I don't know about you but that's a LOT of cultures


I don't find numbers pulled out of thing air without suitable basis for comparison any more convincing than someone going, 'But just think how big, something must happen!' One must know what the variation contained within the area they wish to quantify over is, and what the conditions they need for life are, before those numbers would mean anything. Otherwise, it would be exactly analogous to giving you a hundred thousand rolls of a dice without telling you how the dice was weighted and what sequence of dice throws you needed to win. You could have even more ridiculously huge numbers of throws, but without the information to express the odds, it could easily be the case that you're not going to get what you want. By itself, the number of throws is largely meaningless.

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I don't find numbers pulled out of thing air without suitable basis for comparison any more convincing than someone going, 'But just think how big, something must happen!' One must know what the variation contained within the area they wish to quantify over is, and what the conditions they need for life are, before those numbers would mean anything. Otherwise, it would be exactly analogous to giving you a hundred thousand rolls of a dice without telling you how the dice was weighted and what sequence of dice throws you needed to win. You could have even more ridiculously huge numbers of throws, but without the information to express the odds, it could easily be the case that you're not going to get what you want. By itself, the number of throws is largely meaningless.

ur right

 

i used really really small numbers

 

frankly I cant count as high as their is civilizations in the cosmos

 

u fail to realize just how insanely huge the universe is.... some scientists even say if u reach the edge of the visible universe you will see that is just keeps going and going and going into more galaxies

 

NO your right I will fix it

 

their are infinite amounts of cultures and civilizations and creatures in all the possible variations and tech levels in the universe

 

and if you don't like it prove me wrong ;)



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Has anyone considered that we could be the equivalent "protheans" or "reapers"?

 

Would be pretty cool if the future of our galaxy depends on us blowing ourselves up, microbes spread all over the galaxy and eventually spawn life or we actually seed planets/

 

That was how life was created on earth isn't it? A meteorite hit Earth and the microbes from the chunk of rock started as the basis of life on this planet?



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That was how life was created on earth isn't it? A meteorite hit Earth and the microbes from the chunk of rock started as the basis of life on this planet?

 

No, the muscly pale alien in the diaper drank the black goo and then dissolved into a river in Iceland. His DNA then mutated, creating life which than spread across the earth.

 

Sheesh, didn't you pay attention during Prometheus?!

 

:P



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Yeah I think there's alien civilizations out there but I don't think they've visited us. I find those conspiracy theories laughable. No intelligent species would visit earth just to troll some farmers and their crops. Mind you...

 

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I love it when people cite ancient monuments as proof of alien species. The fact is humans are a clever race, we can find ways to do things that may not make sense to one group but makes perfect sense to the others. The ancient alien theorists basically write off human creativity and ingenuity to support their claims that there has to be some higher power to have  shown us how to make these monuments.

 

For once how about give credit where credit is due, people made the pyramids, people made the temples in Asia and South America. People made the lines that depict symbols in the middle of the desert. People who for whatever reason had to come up with a unique and interesting way to make these great places. Don't simply write it off.


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I think there are probably at least some alien civilizations in our galaxy, but at least one of the following conditions applies to each of them:

 

(1) They don't have the resources for widespread interstellar travel, so they haven't come here yet, and if they've picked up our radio transmissions, they may be far enough away that even if they were to respond (which they might not), the response could take a very long time to arrive and might not be detectable or comprehensible when it does.

 

(2) The intelligent civilizations that have spread through the galaxy have some pretty strict protocols about contacting pre-interstellar civilizations, and we haven't yet met the conditions that they've set for when they would reach out to a new species. They may also be deliberately intercepting any signals or other evidence that might prove the existence of extraterrestrials because they don't want us to know yet.

 

(3) They actually *did* visit the solar system at some point in the past, whether directly or through long-range probes, but humans had not yet evolved and nothing about Earth seemed all that interesting to them, so they moved on or they're still monitoring Earth as a relatively low priority. Just because they *could* theoretically establish outposts all over the galaxy doesn't mean that they *would.*

 

(4) They are very psychologically different from us, such that contacting other intelligent species simply doesn't interest them, or the balance between fear and curiosity is so heavily tilted towards fear that they actively avoid it. They may or may not be aware of our existence, but if they are, they either don't care or are actively hiding.

 

(5) Their physical forms are something we would have trouble even understanding as "life" because their biological processes are so different from that of any known species on earth, so they could be 10 million light years away or right next to us and we wouldn't notice the difference.


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After the movie Prometheus, there is a theory that humans are not native to Earth but rather evolved from micro organisms bought to Earth by ancient alien overlords and formed the primordial soup. Then the Sumerian theory about their gods early visits in our planet before the civilizations of man were existed. If aliens did visit Earth in the past it weren't for the resources, they could get those a lot easier on other uninhabited planets. The only reasons I could think of is that they would want to study humans, in the same manner as we study monkeys or deformed humans.

What do you think?

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For those that think Civilization began only 3000-4000 years ago, think again. They are finding sunken cities from during the ice age which date back 12,000 years go. Also look up Gobekli Tepe it dates back about 9000-10000 years. Civilizations aren't anything new to humans we have been building them far longer than anyone had previously thought... oh and no mention of alien involvement.


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