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[Riven326]

I just finished this quest and decided to use the anvil to create golems to combat the blight. If not for the blight, I would have destroyed it.

 

What choice did you make and why?

[Dabrikishaw]

Keep the Anvil with my Dwarf wardens, destroy it with the others.

[Yomond]

destroy. If the guy who made it thinks its that bad I'd go with it. Also Branka not a stabilizing force.

[gottaloveme]

Destroy. People were enslaved to it. Might have had volunteers at first, if kept, because of blight. Never would have stopped there tho'. Certainly not with Bhelen the Pinhead as king.

[Ferretinabun]

I think Bioware went a little too far framing 'destroy' as the morally good option by making Branka slaveringly crazy. Had she come across as simply practical and single-minded (if unsentimental) then this choice would have been more of a head-scratcher.

 

As it is, I went destroy. There's no way I'm leaving that thing in her hands.

 

Especially (metagaming) since I love Shale so much.

[luna1124]

I have done both.. but I only preserved it once, the rest of the times I destroyed it.

[Jaison1986]

I destroyed it mostly because Branka is unfit to use it. Otherwise, I very likely would preserve it. I aways put self preservation and long lasting effects into mind over morality. 

[Elhanan]

Destroy; that is one loony ex-wife, and a fair explanation as to why Oghren is a drunkard.

[HTTP 404]

sided with Branka but convinced her the anvil was bad.  She then committed suicide

[TheMadHarridan]

I've done both. My goody-two-shoes Wardens usually destroy it, while my evil Wardens or my extremely pragmatic Wardens preserve it.

 

As for Shale, I never lose her, even if I preserve the Anvil. I just don't bring her with me to the Anvil of the Void, and then when I get back to camp and she asks me about Caridin, I lie shamelessly and tell her I never saw him. You can still get Shale's personal quest. Just bring her to the Deep Roads and travel around a bit. I believe if you travel to Ortan Thaig, a cutscene will trigger, and she will tell you about Cadash Thaig.

[congokong]

I almost always keep it. For one, I don't think it's the warden's place to deny Orzammar something that could save its people. By destroying it you're denying an elder, dying dwarf an opportunity to turn into the strength of 12 warriors to help their families. Couple that with how useful it would be battling the blight and how Orzammar without golems has left them with almost nothing. What's plan B without golems? To keep fighting darkspawn as they have? If clinging to idealism will result in extinction, it's probably best to use a necessary evil like the anvil. There are worse fates then become 10 feet tall, immortal, and near invincible; even if enslaved. Keep in mind up until reaching the anvil Shale reveled in being a golem herself; looking down on "squishy" things.

 

Branka failing psychological screenings shouldn't doom all use of the anvil as some posters here seem to think. Despite her shortcomings, as a smith she is very capable.

[HTTP 404]

I almost always keep it. For one, I don't think it's the warden's place to deny Orzammar something that could save its people. By destroying it you're denying an elder, dying dwarf an opportunity to turn into the strength of 12 warriors to help their families. Couple that with how useful it would be battling the blight and how Orzammar without golems has left them with almost nothing. What's plan B without golems? To keep fighting darkspawn as they have? If clinging to idealism will result in extinction, it's probably best to use a necessary evil like the anvil. There are worse fates then become 10 feet tall, immortal, and near invincible; even if enslaved. Keep in mind up until reaching the anvil Shale reveled in being a golem herself; looking down on "squishy" things.

 

Branka failing psychological screenings shouldn't doom all use of the anvil as some posters here seem to think. Despite her shortcomings, as a smith she is very capable.

 

It isn't so much as the anvil being a tool of evil but more of who will be using it for me to decide despite smith's capability of using it.  Giving a gun to a psycho trained in using firearms is a whole lot different than a moral upstanding soldier trained in using firearms.

 

With that said, I wish Branka wasn't so crazy to make the decision more gray.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Kept it. The Anvil is not "good" or "evil." It's a tool to be used. One that can be abused and corrupt its handlers? Sure, but so could gunpowder, and I would not un-invent that, because for as much crime and corruption it causes it also has worthwhile benefits in the right hands enough to justify it. Furthermore, if it's been invented once, there's no stopping it's invention again later, especially as the situation with the Darkspawn grows desperate and the benefits grow more appealing. Might as well keep it around and learn how to use it in a good way now rather than kick the can further down the road.

 

I do not in any way approve of it being used on the unwilling, but volunteers can go a long way in helping their people take back their lands from the Darkspawn, and I elect to keep it around for that purpose (and Oghren seems to indicate that there would be a lot of volunteers for the duty). It's up to dwarven society, not I, to make use of it in an appropriate manner.

 

 

And I don't give a damn about Branka. The one who uses the anvil is just an executioner. Sanity does not matter in a task like that. And her logic for keeping it, though over-zealous in nature, is still 100% correct. The dwarves are losing more and more of the underground to Darkspawn every day, and the anvil can very well help the dwarves turn the tide. Crazy or not, that statement is still true.

[Elhanan]

The Anvil is a tool based on sacrifice for it to work; not the same as mundane smith implements, gunpowder, etc. And if recreated, the epilogue explains the possible ill effects, as it is destroyed again.

And Branka is beyond the pale as far as extremism is concerned. And if the Dwarves consider her methodology as a salvation, they are lost anyway, IMO.

[congokong]

The Anvil is a tool based on sacrifice for it to work; not the same as mundane smith implements, gunpowder, etc. And if recreated, the epilogue explains the possible ill effects, as it is destroyed again.
 

We've learned we can't trust the epilogues.

 

 

And Branka is beyond the pale as far as extremism is concerned. And if the Dwarves consider her methodology as a salvation, they are lost anyway, IMO.

Well, people will go to extreme lengths to survive. Politics make strange bedfellows. The dwarves are in such a shitty situation that I don't think turning to one of the best smiths who happens to be touched in the head a bit for salvation dismissively dooms them outright. They should have a back-up plan certainly; specifically have someone else able to use the anvil besides her since her alone isn't a long-term solution.

[cJohnOne]

I kept the Anvil because I wanted Golems.  I think the fight with Branka is better though.

[Elhanan]

We've learned we can't trust the epilogues.
 
Well, people will go to extreme lengths to survive. Politics make strange bedfellows. The dwarves are in such a shitty situation that I don't think turning to one of the best smiths who happens to be touched in the head a bit for salvation dismissively dooms them outright. They should have a back-up plan certainly; specifically have someone else able to use the anvil besides her since her alone isn't a long-term solution.

No; we have not. You have your canon, and I have mine.

And if a people are willing to sacrifice others in belief of their politics, salvation, and power, this has been repeatedly shown historically not to be so great for others of other beliefs (eg; WWII). Pass.

[ShadowLordXII]

 Kept it. The Anvil is not "good" or "evil." It's a tool to be used. One that can be abused and corrupt its handlers? Sure, but so could gunpowder, and I would not un-invent that, because for as much crime and corruption it causes it also has worthwhile benefits in the right hands enough to justify it. Furthermore, if it's been invented once, there's no stopping it's invention again later, especially as the situation with the Darkspawn grows desperate and the benefits grow more appealing. Might as well keep it around and learn how to use it in a good way now rather than kick the can further down the road.

 

I do not in any way approve of it being used on the unwilling, but volunteers can go a long way in helping their people take back their lands from the Darkspawn, and I elect to keep it around for that purpose (and Oghren seems to indicate that there would be a lot of volunteers for the duty). It's up to dwarven society, not I, to make use of it in an appropriate manner.

 

 

And I don't give a damn about Branka. The one who uses the anvil is just an executioner. Sanity does not matter in a task like that. And her logic for keeping it, though over-zealous in nature, is still 100% correct. The dwarves are losing more and more of the underground to Darkspawn every day, and the anvil can very well help the dwarves turn the tide. Crazy or not, that statement is still true.

 

My only qualm about the quest is being unable to persuade Caridan to preserve the Anvil.

 

Otherwise, it comes off as a choice between depriving the dwarves of a weapon to preserve their existence or giving that weapon to a woman whose so insane and obsessed that she wiped out her whole house for it. Both of which suck. That may be the intent, but it sours when there's a clear logical and practical third option that could be implemented in a non-contrived circumstance.

[congokong]

No; we have not. You have your canon, and I have mine.

And if a people are willing to sacrifice others in belief of their politics, salvation, and power, this has been repeatedly shown historically not to be so great for others of other beliefs (eg; WWII). Pass.

If you haven't learned then that's your problem. The proof is there. Ex: Cullen, Anders. Bioware has treated epilogues as "rumors."

 

Sacrificing the few for the many is sometimes necessary. The problem is people misuse "necessary" with "convenient." In Orzammar's case they have no plan B to save them.

[dekarserverbot]

I destroyed it... I value freedom over anything so the elf destroyed it (after teasing Morrigan into becoming a gollem, proving her dumbiness again) the mage did too.

 

And about the issue with epilogues i learned that we can't trust VARRIC. And that writters sometimes are complete morons who live for bastardizing their own world hopping everyone is happy about their nonsense instead of fueled with homicidal anger as it happened.

[Lavaeolus]

The Anvil is itself not bad, but it's just begging for misuse. If I could preserve it without it falling into the hands of:

• A) An insane woman whose search for the Anvil has not only corrupted her empathy, but also her actual sanity. I appreciate the ingenuity of using a broodmother to create an endless supply of mice for the traps, I really do, but you're also hearing voices while staring at me with no expression on your face -- and that's probably a bad sign.


• B) A prince who is already proven willing to strong-arm, blackmail, and kill anyone opposing him when he doesn't have a way to turn them into forced supersoldiers.


• C) A lord so weak-willed that, while good-intentioned enough, will almost positively completely fail to properly control it when it is already primarily controlled by person A.

Ideally, I'd preserve it and make the knowledge of how it works public. Maybe a few people would be forced into it here and there, but oh well, **** happens. Maybe it could work out as a semi-Legion of the Dead-type deal, and for the poor elderly man someone mentioned. Unfortunately, as is the sad case in RPGs, I don't have every option available.

[Elhanan]

If you haven't learned then that's your problem. The proof is there. Ex: Cullen, Anders. Bioware has treated epilogues as "rumors."
 
Sacrificing the few for the many is sometimes necessary. The problem is people misuse "necessary" with "convenient." In Orzammar's case they have no plan B to save them.

Plan B could be a continued alliance with those dwelling topside; seemed to work well enough in my games. And of course, there are few remaining of the sacrificed to object. The golems are hardly necessary.

[Jedimaster88]

The dwarves should just swallow their pride and ask help from surface nations. They have a good argument for this. "If Orzammar falls, where do you think the darkspawn will come next...". By helping the dwarves, they help themselves in the long run I think.

 

I destroy the anvil. I rather listen the person who created it, saw how it was used and eventually became a victim to it than a crazy obsessed woman who wouldnt even end the suffering of those who where about to become broodmothers.

 

If the dwarves used it wisely and only volunteers, I probably would consider using it. Unfortunately people get all sorts of ideas with the anvil so nope...

 

When Shale asks Oghren if he thinks it was wrong to destroy the anvil, he replies no because sometimes people have to be stopped from doing stupid things even if they do them for good reasons.

[dekarserverbot]

The Anvil is itself not bad, but it's just begging for misuse. If I could preserve it without it falling into the hands of:

• A ) An insane woman whose search for the Anvil has not only corrupted her empathy, but also her actual sanity. I appreciate the ingenuity of using a broodmother to create an endless supply of mice for the traps, I really do, but you're also hearing voices while staring at me with no expression on your face -- and that's probably a bad sign.
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• B ) A prince who is already proven willing to strong-arm, blackmail, and kill anyone opposing him when he doesn't have a way to turn them into forced supersoldiers.
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• C ) A lord so weak-willed that, while good-intentioned enough, will almost positively completely fail to properly control it when it is already primarily controlled by person A.
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Ideally, I'd preserve it and make the knowledge of how it works public. Maybe a few people would be forced into it here and there, but oh well, **** happens. Maybe it could work out as a semi-Legion of the Dead-type deal, and for the poor elderly man someone mentioned. Unfortunately, as is the sad case in RPGs, I don't have every option available.

 

A ) Triggers adventure time. Branka is princess bubblegum

 

B ) Triggers Mexico last goverment

 

C ) Triggers any Marvel hero in its "destroy the entire universe" heel phase against Harrowmont

 

I don't think the anvil is right, and making it public knowledge? don't we have enough with schools errrr i meant circles of magi? I destroyed it for what it represented

[Icy Magebane]

The Anvil seems too useful to destroy, so I usually preserve it.  Unfortunately that means Branka gets to keep breathing.    Still, the threat of darkspawn overshadows my desire to see her pay for her long list of crimes.