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[Gervaise]

Not killing Anders, although I still think Justice could have raised him up again even if you did.   It seems to me that he had become way too unstable to be running around unsupervised and yet that is what Varric claims happens if he is not your love interest.    Where did he go after Hawke left him?    What is he doing now?    Did he join the Venatori and give them some useful information on how to create really big bangs?!    If he has devoted himself to hunting down Red Templars that wouldn't be so bad and since my first Inquisitor is going to be an anti-Circle mage he probably won't cause me too many problems but you never know.   He seems a bit of a loose cannon.

 

Whatever you do with Feynriel, apart from making him Tranquil, could have repercussions, whether you choose to give him to the demon or send him off to Tevinter.   I'm just hoping that he fell in with a bunch of Dorian type mages trying to battle corruption rather than being gradually corrupted by the system himself.   Even with Connor you don't know if his Fade studies might eventually lead him down the wrong path or how he would have responded to the mage/Templar war.

 

I always felt the Dark Ritual could come back to haunt you, though probably not until later.   Leaving Loghain alive in the Wardens could also have repercussions.

 

I hadn't read the Calling so didn't know what the Architect had been up to before I met him.   He seemed to give a reasonable enough argument to let him live and I blame the Wardens and their secrecy for the fact that I wasn't aware of what he had really been planning in the past.      To my mind the Warden's secrecy has a lot to answer for on many fronts, not the least of which was Corypheus and the effect he might have been having on Kirkwall.  However, I'm sure their intentions were good.

 

So like other posters have said, you don't have to be totally renegade to wonder if your decisions might not have a negative impact down the line that you did not intend.

[Chrys]

Not killing Anders, although I still think Justice could have raised him up again even if you did.   It seems to me that he had become way too unstable to be running around unsupervised and yet that is what Varric claims happens if he is not your love interest.    Where did he go after Hawke left him?    What is he doing now?    Did he join the Venatori and give them some useful information on how to create really big bangs?!    If he has devoted himself to hunting down Red Templars that wouldn't be so bad and since my first Inquisitor is going to be an anti-Circle mage he probably won't cause me too many problems but you never know.   He seems a bit of a loose cannon.

 

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So like other posters have said, you don't have to be totally renegade to wonder if your decisions might not have a negative impact down the line that you did not intend.

 

I'm curious about the consequences of killing Anders. What happened to Justice? My guess is that he possessed a corpse again. Maybe Anders'.

 

And I agree with the last part. I'm just as interested in "bad" consequences to the perceived good choices as in those that are clearly dubious.

[Star fury]

You're confusing the ME trilogy with the one hero - commander Shepard and the DA series with the three different heroes. Why Inquisitor should be concerned about some strangers?

Frankly some consequences in DA2 were awkward and totally unnecessary like meeting elves and former werewolves in goddamn Kirkwall. Why? Just to show our "choices matter".

[Lulupab]

Petrice never survives DA2. Even if you let her live she will die in destruction of the chantry. Just wanted to point this out.

I think killing or not killing Anders would matter, at least more than other choices because that's the only choice that at least slightly concerns the inquisitor and inquisition.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I'd like to see it the other Way Round - what "good" Decisions could come back to haunt us?

By the way speaking of "good" decisions come back and bite us in the ass. I thought choosing Harrowmont for as a king for Orzammar already prove that, an honorable man but a weak ruler and a traditionalist who'll never evolve. While Bhelen is a tyrant, he's turned out to be quite a reformer and even loosen the caste system for the Casteless giving them a chance to join the army and fight against the Darkspawn, strengthen the trade with the surface.

[TheKomandorShepard]

By the way speaking of "good" decisions come back and bite us in the ass. I thought choosing Harrowmont for as a king for Orzammar already prove that, an honorable man but a weak ruler and a traditionalist who'll never evolve. While Bhelen is a tyrant, he's turned out to be quite a reformer and even loosen the caste system for the Casteless giving them a chance to join the army and fight against the Darkspawn, strengthen the trade with the surface.

Yeah harrowmont was true paragon of goodness guy that supported suicidal and pointlessly abusive system.   

[Kantr]

I don't think that's a stretch at all.  A member of your companions is under the  influence of red lyrium

 

It became part of his armour as I recall.  At least this game he can change that.  Maybe someone figured it out and destroyed that?

It became a weapon upgrade for Bianca.

 

I let him have it in my playthrough, but I think I'll give it to Sandal in the keep

[RobRam10]

To spare Feynriel and send him to glorious Tevinter (that boy better contribute to the Imperium or he'd wish that I gave him to Torpor) or let Torpor possess him (wouldn't be a surprise if he becomes a mini-boss).

[BloodKaiden]

I let Anders live in my canon play so I'm hoping he shows up with Hawke since he is his LI. I wonder what impact he will have on the story in DA: I if any.

[Tishina]

I suppose when it comes to the anvil decision one have to think like a Dwarf, and while Human or Elves can preach all they want about good principle or morality the differences is the dwarves have a very dire situation, their race have low birth rate and on the verge of extinction, and the Darkspawn always pressing always barking at Orzammar's door. Also the only surface organization who seems to care about the dwarves is the Grey Warden while the rest of the world are content and ignore their plight.  I don't think human have the right to judge the dwarves for doing everything to survive, and at least not while they ignore the dwarven's plight and content with leaving the entire race to die out slowly.

Hmm, considering a lot of their situation is their own creation due to the caste system, I'm not inclined to give them a pass on the morality question. Especially since I'm told if you preserve the anvil then go back to Dusttown, you find it empty because the casteless have been seized and given to the anvil...

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Hmm, considering a lot of their situation is their own creation due to the caste system, I'm not inclined to give them a pass on the morality question. Especially since I'm told if you preserve the anvil then go back to Dusttown, you find it empty because the casteless have been seized and given to the anvil...

I don't agree with their abusive system, but where is the evidence that they force every casteless dwarves, and turn them into golems? If there is no evidence then it didn't happen.

 

Beside don't human have oppressive culture and abusive system of their own...*cough* elves *cough*, perhaps they are more alike than you think.

[MattH]

Petrice never survives DA2. Even if you let her live she will die in destruction of the chantry. Just wanted to point this out.
I think killing or not killing Anders would matter, at least more than other choices because that's the only choice that at least slightly concerns the inquisitor and inquisition.

Didn't she turn away from Kirkwall's chantry at the beginning of act 3/end if act 2?

[Tishina]

I don't agree with their abusive system, but where is the evidence that they force every casteless dwarves, and turn them into golems? If there is no evidence then it didn't happen.

 

Beside don't human have oppressive culture and abusive system of their own...*cough* elves *cough*, perhaps they are more alike than you think.

Since my favorite Origin was City elf and my least favorite is human, you can safely assume I don't give the humans a pass either, lol.

[Eveangaline]

Whatever deal you make in wardens keep

[leaguer of one]

 

 

 no Wynne.  

Wynne is already dead. It's more of a case she just does not help cement mage rebellion.

[Hydwn]

Petrice never survives DA2. Even if you let her live she will die in destruction of the chantry. Just wanted to point this out.

I think killing or not killing Anders would matter, at least more than other choices because that's the only choice that at least slightly concerns the inquisitor and inquisition.

 

As someone pointed out, Petrice gets fired - I think defrocked is the term.  I doubt she was in the chantry during the explosion.  I could totally see her working with the Red Templars.

[Hydwn]

You're confusing the ME trilogy with the one hero - commander Shepard and the DA series with the three different heroes. Why Inquisitor should be concerned about some strangers?

Frankly some consequences in DA2 were awkward and totally unnecessary like meeting elves and former werewolves in goddamn Kirkwall. Why? Just to show our "choices matter".

 

Hawke was more of a witness, but he interacts with a few key people and changes their lives for better or worse.  The Warden's impact on the world is enormous, and not just the Blight.  He can commit genocide against the elves, kill every circle mage in Ferelden, cut the dwarves from the surface world.  Not to mention his dealings with Flemeth, Morrigan, and so may others.

 

Another reason is precedent.  Hawke is a nothing refugee, and then just another noble of Free March city.  He still manages to meet half the people the Warden encountered.  Some feel particularly forced.  I doubt Commander Sophia was a blight refugee

 

A third reason is that DAI looks very, very ME3 influenced.  Some key writing personel have made the jump from writing Citadel Space to writing Thedas, and it shows.  The Inquisitor is going to be given command of a civilization that's crumbling before the onslaught of an overwhelming, overpowered alien force from beyond.  Even a number of the basic mechanics look ME3-like.  We seem to have the war assets map, and the point seems to gather allies and regions through sidequests, main quests, through battle and diplomacy.  

 

That got me thinking of another aspect of ME3 (Mass Effect 3 spoilers ahead):

 

Spoiler

Recruit Morinth and kill Samara.  Morinth will show up as a banshee at the end.

 

Leave Jack to the mercy of Cerberus.  She will show up as a unique boss at the Cerberus base.

 

Give Legion to Cerberus, and you'll find him as the same.

 

Let anyone die, and the outcomes of the quest associated with them will have a much worse outcome.

 

I wonder if a similar mechanic will exist in this one.  I could see a boss rush of boss-level abominations named Feynriel, Connor, and Amalia.  The more you made, the harder the battle .  

[Master Warder Z_]

I let Anders live in my canon play so I'm hoping he shows up with Hawke since he is his LI. I wonder what impact he will have on the story in DA: I if any.

 

Probably minor to nothing.

 

You might get the chance to kill him in a pro templar run, but i'd be surprised by that.

[Kimarous]

I hadn't read the Calling so didn't know what the Architect had been up to before I met him.   He seemed to give a reasonable enough argument to let him live and I blame the Wardens and their secrecy for the fact that I wasn't aware of what he had really been planning in the past.      To my mind the Warden's secrecy has a lot to answer for on many fronts, not the least of which was Corypheus and the effect he might have been having on Kirkwall.  However, I'm sure their intentions were good.

 

All the good intentions in the world mean nothing when it comes to the darkspawn. Oh sure, go ahead and spare the Messenger - I'm sure all the people he "saved" enjoy the blight sickness he carried to them. Seriously, there is NOTHING good about freeing a darkspawn's mind. For every corruption-spreading goody-two-shoes, you have three warlords who don't need an Archdemon to organize a horde.

 

Also, are you seriously blaming the Wardens because the Architect's stupidity in digging up an Old God or terrible choice in ambassadors?

[Jaison1986]

The Dragon age series is surely much more ambiguous then others such as Mass effect. Many "good" decision can easily end very badly, just see the Orzammar epilogue. So I simply stopped seeing things with an moral standpoint and exchanged it for an more rational one. These are surely the choices that could end very badly or well, just depending on how the wind blows:

 

The dark ritual - Morrigan can easilly use the child to further an autruistic cause just as much as she could use him to further an personal, selfish goal. You just can't tell.

 

The Architect - He is such an glamble in itself. How are we to guess if we can trust his word? In one hand he could use his forces to wipe out the darkspawn and end the blights for good, or start disliking the surfacers and use his inteligent darkspawn to wipe them out. 

 

Anders's fate - Not so much the deed itself, but the aftermath. In one hand we can just kill him, but then what if Justice possesses his corpse and goes on an blind rampage and kills dozens of people? Or what if we spare him and Sebastian act on his word and seize power? And what if he then use his soldiers not only to hunt Anders, but also other innocent mages because he is so enranged he can't see right from wrong?

 

So far, these are the choices that worry the most. But I will also note that sparing both Fenryel and Connor worry me. Even if they are good people, I fear they maybe corrupted by the Tevinter mages, then that's also our headache to deal with.

[Zana]

Hawke was more of a witness, but he interacts with a few key people and changes their lives for better or worse.  The Warden's impact on the world is enormous, and not just the Blight.  He can commit genocide against the elves, kill every circle mage in Ferelden, cut the dwarves from the surface world.  Not to mention his dealings with Flemeth, Morrigan, and so may others.

 

Another reason is precedent.  Hawke is a nothing refugee, and then just another noble of Free March city.  He still manages to meet half the people the Warden encountered.  Some feel particularly forced.  I doubt Commander Sophia was a blight refugee

 

A third reason is that DAI looks very, very ME3 influenced.  Some key writing personel have made the jump from writing Citadel Space to writing Thedas, and it shows.  The Inquisitor is going to be given command of a civilization that's crumbling before the onslaught of an overwhelming, overpowered alien force from beyond.  Even a number of the basic mechanics look ME3-like.  We seem to have the war assets map, and the point seems to gather allies and regions through sidequests, main quests, through battle and diplomacy.  

 

That got me thinking of another aspect of ME3 (Mass Effect 3 spoilers ahead):

 

Spoiler

Recruit Morinth and kill Samara.  Morinth will show up as a banshee at the end.

 

Leave Jack to the mercy of Cerberus.  She will show up as a unique boss at the Cerberus base.

 

Give Legion to Cerberus, and you'll find him as the same.

 

Let anyone die, and the outcomes of the quest associated with them will have a much worse outcome.

 

I wonder if a similar mechanic will exist in this one.  I could see a boss rush of boss-level abominations named Feynriel, Connor, and Amalia.  The more you made, the harder the battle .  

 

You know, I generally loved ME3 both in terms of the way it played out, game mechanics and overall feel of the game.  Hope they will build on that.  The storytelling was hit or miss though.  And we all know how the ending played out (or, if you are lucky, you don't!).

 

I do think that one thing they overdid in ME series was Renegade becoming stupid evil choice, although that is a general theme through the majority of Bioware's games.  Ruthless should not mean stupid or careless.  Renegade was supposed to be about accomplishing the long term goal, and willing to do it at any cost.  Paragon was supposed to be the shortsighted good.  Yet in the long term Paragon's decision (almost) always gave better return.  One thing I liked DAO - Bhelen was obviously what dwarves needed to break out of their tradition, and he delivered at the cost of blood.

 

Anyway, back on topic.  Besides the ones already mentioned:

 

Flemeth - she is not dead either way, but if you did not kill her off in DAO, you might end up with *2* Flemeths.

Morrigan - once again, we know she is alive.  If Warden stabbed her in the back, she might not be a happy camper.

Grand Oak - hardly an "evil" choice, but supporting the Oak, you are really supporting an ancient abomination.  While outwardly peaceful, it is still a demon, and possibly that of pride or sloth.  That acorn might cause a lot of trouble later.

[Eveangaline]

You know, I generally loved ME3 both in terms of the way it played out, game mechanics and overall feel of the game.  Hope they will build on that.  The storytelling was hit or miss though.  And we all know how the ending played out (or, if you are lucky, you don't!).

 

I do think that one thing they overdid in ME series was Renegade becoming stupid evil choice, although that is a general theme through the majority of Bioware's games.  Ruthless should not mean stupid or careless.  Renegade was supposed to be about accomplishing the long term goal, and willing to do it at any cost.  Paragon was supposed to be the shortsighted good.  Yet in the long term Paragon's decision (almost) always gave better return.  One thing I liked DAO - Bhelen was obviously what dwarves needed to break out of their tradition, and he delivered at the cost of blood.

 

Anyway, back on topic.  Besides the ones already mentioned:

 

Flemeth - she is not dead either way, but if you did not kill her off in DAO, you might end up with *2* Flemeths.

Morrigan - once again, we know she is alive.  If Warden stabbed her in the back, she might not be a happy camper.

Grand Oak - hardly an "evil" choice, but supporting the Oak, you are really supporting an ancient abomination.  While outwardly peaceful, it is still a demon, and possibly that of pride or sloth.  That acorn might cause a lot of trouble later.

 

I thought the warden stabs Morrigan in the front?

[VulpineSneak]

He was so lonely tho. And he made a joke, when did the other abominations display a sense of humor? He's himself, not just a demon anymore.

[Hydwn]

My own thought was that Grand Oak wasn't a demon.  I thought he was like Justice in Christoff's body, or like the spirit of faiht in Wynne.  if there can be good spirit undead, and good spirit abominations, why not a good spirit sylvan...?

[TheJediSaint]

My own thought was that Grand Oak wasn't a demon.  I thought he was like Justice in Christoff's body, or like the spirit of faiht in Wynne.  if there can be good spirit undead, and good spirit abominations, why not a good spirit sylvan...?

Whatever the Elder Tree was, it busted out some heavy rhymes.