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#76
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Well, I don't particularly feel like explaining how sexism works even if it was directly on topic, which it isn't, but no, it's not the same. 

 

 

5 bucks says how sexism work translates to it only count if it's against women.

 

 

I think wrath and pride at least are somewhat stereotypically male traits on account of males being generally a more violent and aggressive gender, so I would disagree that portraying such demons as exclusively male is a neutral statement.

 

I would make a pms joke, but I get the feeling it would not be found amusing.


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5 bucks says how sexism work translates to it only count if it's against women.

 

 

 

I would make a pms joke, but I get the feeling it would not be found amusing.

 

It's funny that you make these two statements back to back...


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It's funny that you make these two statements back to back...

 

 

I never said I wasn't a insensitive bastard. and please don't answer... I don't have 5 bucks if I'm wrong.


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No matter what they do someone is going to be offended. Its really not important to the game at all. I would prefer they spend their time and money on making the game fun and enjoyable rather then catering to every individuals personal preference on every issue
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Count me as pro-male desire demon but only mildly so.

 

Given all the other demons are all male based we're probably lucky we even got a female demon at all.


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I would also like to point out that trying to imply anyone making a complaint in this regard is just "offended" or "angry" is really dismissive and adds nothing to the conversation, it simply derails the topic at hand.

 

This entire thread is a derail of the section its posted in and should be dismissed imo.


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I think it's better to play it safe and avoid making the demon look human at all.  Maybe a pile of gold coins would be the least offensive option...  or would that be unacceptable to people who oppose capitalism?  :unsure:

 

You're on the right track.

 

How about a cloaked figure with a mirror for a face? It's entire basis is reflecting whatever you desire and trapping out in the illusion. Plus the vauge nature of its design makes it more a temptation of the unknown than anything else.

 

Plus I think it'd probably save some coin when it comes to modeling. Unless making a flowing cloak would be more expensive.



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I think wrath and pride at least are somewhat stereotypically male traits on account of males being generally a more violent and aggressive gender, so I would disagree that portraying such demons as exclusively male is a neutral statement.

 

I doubt pride is a gender related trait, and there are just as many accounts of women being as wrathful as men. Physical or Psychological, wrath still comes from anger and both genders are well versed in how to inflict harm on others.
 


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I doubt pride is a gender related trait, and there are just as many accounts of women being as wrathful as men. Physical or Psychological, wrath still comes from anger and both genders are well versed in how to inflict harm on others.
 

 

I agree that pride is a little iffy, but when it comes to inflicting harm on others, which often comes from wrath in some form or another, I'm not sure the statistics play out such a pretty symmetry, at risk of severely derailing the thread now.



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I agree that pride is a little iffy, but when it comes to inflicting harm on others, which often comes from wrath in some form or another, I'm not sure the statistics play out such a pretty symmetry, at risk of severely derailing the thread now.

 

Statistics do not cover psychological or emotional harm, only physical. And while the old adage may go that "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me", the truth of the matter is that emotional and psychological harm can be ever more long lasting then physical trauma.


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Statistics do not cover psychological or emotional harm, only physical. And while the old adage may go that "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me", the truth of the matter is that emotional and psychological harm can be ever more long lasting then physical trauma.

 

So are you suggesting women are even more psychologically violent than men to compensate for the lack of physical violence? I'm not sure there would be any basis for that...



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So an Incubus then?

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So are you suggesting women are even more psychologically violent than men to compensate for the lack of physical violence? I'm not sure there would be any basis for that...

 

There have been numerous studies into the psychological aggression in relationships, and they seem to indicate that women are more psychologically abusive then men. Such as this study here: http://www.psicothema.com/pdf/3334.pdf

 

Aggression is not a gender determinant trait however, we are all humans, and we all have aggression that gets expressed in their own ways. Other studies done by other research centers found the rates of aggression in older couples to be pretty much dead even, so even when the results don't show women abuse more then men, women still abuse.

 

It's just a fact of our species, so why deny it or not embrace it?



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So are you suggesting women are even more psychologically violent than men to compensate for the lack of physical violence? I'm not sure there would be any basis for that...

 

Who says women aren't physically violent? Domestic violence statistics only put men as slightly more likely to be violent towards their partners than women and in violent relationships women are more likely to resort to physical violence than men are.

 

Although I don't think that is because women are more violent I think it's just more to do with the fact that we take violence against women allot more seriously than violence against men. 

 

Anyway this is derailment, I don't think it's fair to make any negative trait a gendered thing. 


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So are you suggesting women are even more psychologically violent than men to compensate for the lack of physical violence? I'm not sure there would be any basis for that...

 

I'm sorry but you need to meet more women. they can be so very much so. just look at bullies male bully beats you up. female one make it their life mission to tear you down emotionally. women and this is a general statement are alot meaner when it comes to these kinds of things. there is a reason why many ancient cultures trust women to protect the home.



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If they're going to keep throwing evil seductresses at our characters in obviously female shapes (Desire Demons, Idunna), at least give us the option of saying "You do realize that I'm not even remotely tempted, I hope." Because having my completely straight female Hawke go gaga over Idunna induced rage, not desire.


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My fave dragon age OC is Richard. A sloth demon who so desperately longs to be a desire demon. He visits humans in their dreams, covered in dongs. PEENS EVERYWHERE. But seriously. Male shaped desire demons should totally be a thing. Fanon wins over canon again *sigh*


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If they're going to keep throwing evil seductresses at our characters in obviously female shapes (Desire Demons, Idunna), at least give us the option of saying "You do realize that I'm not even remotely tempted, I hope." Because having my completely straight female Hawke go gaga over Idunna induced rage, not desire.

 

You realize she was using Blood Magic right? Doubt Hawke had much of a choice at the time.


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I'm not sure how I feel about the nipple covers. 

 

Pierced nipples with the chains I can see.  :D



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You realize she was using Blood Magic right? Doubt Hawke had much of a choice at the time.

Not entirely. If you ask her how she did it, she says "Equal parts blood and desire." Unless it's 100% blood magic, I'd say that constitutes a definite lack of player agency.

 

People always say that it doesn't matter what shape the demon has. If it really doesn't matter, make them male.



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There have been numerous studies into the psychological aggression in relationships, and they seem to indicate that women are more psychologically abusive then men. Such as this study here: http://www.psicothema.com/pdf/3334.pdf

 

Aggression is not a gender determinant trait however, we are all humans, and we all have aggression that gets expressed in their own ways. Other studies done by other research centers found the rates of aggression in older couples to be pretty much dead even, so even when the results don't show women abuse more then men, women still abuse.

 

It's just a fact of our species, so why deny it or not embrace it?

 

...Interesting, but that only touches on domestic violence. And it acknowledges that when males do it, it has a greater impact on women's health, which is why we take domestic abuse by men a lot more seriously, for better or worse. But that leaves aside all the other kinds of violent crime which are skewed toward male perpetrators.

 

Regardless, looking at where this discussion has gone. You have to defend the notion that women can be just as wrathful/violent/etc, just in more oblique/psychological ways. We take violence against women much more seriously than the reverse. Doesn't that implicitly acknowledge that there is, in fact, a stereotype that says men are the more violent gender? Whether it's true or not is something we can debate, but it does exist. That was the main thing I was getting at.



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Not entirely. If you ask her how she did it, she says "Equal parts blood and desire." Unless it's 100% blood magic, I'd say that constitutes a definite lack of player agency.

People always say that it doesn't matter what shape the demon has. If it really doesn't matter, make them male.


She says equal parts of blood and desire because she's a prostitute

Idunna was a blood mage
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#98
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Tbh I never saw the other demons as being male but I guess some of them do look sort of male and they have male sounding voices. 



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Since its the third game, and almost released, this probably been brought up a while ago instead of now, like during the first game, or even while this one was still being made.



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I think there might be an analogous male demon.  Ishmael from TME (choice) springs to mind, or it did when I reread it last week.  At least, I really hope there's an emphatically male demon to vilify this time around.