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[Wulfram]

The best desire demon appearance was

 

[Hydwn]

The best desire demon appearance was

 

 

Agreed.  That was the form they conquered the internet in

[Nefla]

I believe to the player (I'm not sure why this is but probably because the demon is usually never tempting the player first) thats what they appear to be. To the one they have enthralled, they have an illusion. I.e. the Templar and a family in the Circle Tower, Feynriel in his dreams where the desire demon appears as his father...any one of the demons that have your companions trapped. 

I know, but they never change shape for the PC and yet still try to "tempt" them. Either change into a form that makes sense or don't try to tempt the PC and focus on tempting the companions. That would make more sense.

[hobbit of the shire]

I've always been irked by succubi in games because they always look like they've been placed in there just for male fanservice.  Incubi sometimes exist, but not too often.  I probably wouldn't care much about a male desire demon, at least not like the images posted by the OP.  I've never really thought of the other demons being gendered, as to me, they just look like monsters.  Not human-like.  They also don't look like the sin they represent (the sins are vague anyway).  The desire demons, on the other hand, look very human-like and instantly screams female to me.  And specifically look like their sin (the sexual desire part).  I'd actually like Desire to look more like the other demons.  Just a big bad-ass monster rather than a female sex demon.

 

The comments about how the desire demon's looks should be adjusted to what the player wants would be pretty difficult to implement, I would think.  It's assuming what a player finds attractive, and that's impossible to account for.  I find most incubus depictions in games/fanart really silly, so it probably wouldn't have the right effect on me.  However, if Desire were to look genderless, but say, had both male and female VO, that could be interesting.  The VO played would be decided from past choices.  Camera pans away from Desire and all you hear is the VO, seducing you or whatever.  That would surely be creepy and possibly more convincing.  At least for me, then it wouldn't induce "yep, here comes the staple recurring naked lady demon, a requirement in any fantasy rpg."  Or, "here comes the hypersexualized naked man demon  <shudders>."

[Ryzaki]

From an in-game perspective desire demons are incredibly dumb. If you are trying to trick someone into making a deal, you should be able to convince that person that you can actually come through. The character is greedy and wants riches, appear as a king and offer them gold. The character is a cutthroat warrior where only strength and power matters, appear as the ultimate warrior and offer to share your abilities. The character grieves over their lost loved one, appear as that loved one and offer to return them/be together again, etc...If I want riches or power or land or my departed loved one back, how the heck would a random naked lady feeling herself up be able to grant those wishes? I can't take her seriously. She looks like the only thing she can offer is sex. In my 30 or so playthroughs of DA:O (and less than that of DAA and DA2) I've never made a deal with one, I always kill them. If she were trying to make a serious deal, it's not working because a naked woman feeling herself up is not attractive to me and I'm actively repulsed by her. I imagine most straight guys would be repulsed by a male demon with his hand down his thong while he talks to you. If they for whatever reason need to seduce you (so you let your guard down or are more open to their ideas I guess?) they should tailor it based on what the character is attracted to. Have a male demon appear if the player's LI is male, a female if the LI is female or if they have no LI, otherwise the scenario is just stupid and off-putting.

 

AGREED especially on the bolded.

 

Her feeling herself up isn't making me want to listen to her it's grossing me out and having me just go "really devs? Ugh. Can this end already?" cause seriously it's completely and utterly repulsive and offputting.

[Deviija]

The lady desire demon groping herself, and in that outfit, is not what I find attractive or desirable in the slightest.  It actually has the complete opposite effect on me.  I find it very difficult to take the Desire Demons seriously at all, in how they are animated to how they're shown, especially in the landscape of gaming we live in and the amount of sexual objectification there is of women (human and non-human alike) out there.  "Well, that's the point of a Desire Demon!  She's supposed to be sexual and alluring!"  No, she's a Desire Demon.  Desire can be of and from many, many, many different things, none of which has to be sexual in the least.  

 

All that said and aside, I'm not against having a Desire Demon like we do now...  I am all for sexuality, nudity, and adult content, as long as it is handled in a pretty mature fashion, and as long as it isn't purely objectifying and exploiting one specific gender/sex over another/others.  It gets tiring.  Thus, if there were both men and women Desire Demons, groping their various bits, in skimpy attire, and spouting about promises and bargains, I'd (most likely) be fine with it.  Because it'd be done for a male figure and a female figure.  

 

Sidenote on demons and gender.  I noticed some referencing/insinuating that the other demons are male.  Having a masculine voice does not mean a Pride demon is a dude, for example.  They could be genderless, female, or any manner of projected gender.   

[CENIC]

I really like the idea of desire demons being androgynous - you see whatever floats your boat!

I think a dev (maybe it was even David Gaider in the posts that have been linked here?) said they had considered it, but the androgynous demon ended up looking prepubescent, and that has very... unfortunate... implications. I'd love to see them take another shot at it some day, though!

[Medhia_Nox]

@CENIC:  That's why it should have been a creepy manniquin-esque appearance.  

 

I find the old demons to be largely uninspired - the new ones however hold some promise.  (I did like the abominations in the Circle Tower though.)

 

But if the demons really represent a concept... they should be FAR more abstract than what's presented.

[AresKeith]

AGREED especially on the bolded.

 

Her feeling herself up isn't making me want to listen to her it's grossing me out and having me just go "really devs? Ugh. Can this end already?" cause seriously it's completely and utterly repulsive and offputting.

 

Well it's a demon

[Medhia_Nox]

@AresKeith:  Well - to be fair "repulsed" is probably not the reaction a desire demon wants to actually induce. 

[Abraham_uk]

Nice images in the opening post.

Really epic stuff.

Who made it? Kudos to the artist. Some truly impressive stuff.

 

 

Personally I'd make him look more like late 90's early 2000's Jude Law. Heck present day Jude Law is still a looker.

Sure I prefer women, but damn...

[SardaukarElite]

The other demons are abstractions of their qualities, not personifications. Rage demons don't look like Peter Capaldi and Pride Demons don't look like Charles Dance. I feel a Desire Demon should be... more vague and suggestive? Okay maybe it is a hard thing to turn into a monster, but I think just making them a sexy person with horns is missing the point a bit.

[CENIC]

I find the old demons to be largely uninspired - the new ones however hold some promise. (I did like the abominations in the Circle Tower though.)

The Heroes of Dragon Age mobile game features redesigned abominations that look different depending on the type of demon, which I think is really cool!

[Ryzaki]

Well it's a demon

 

Yeah I'm pretty sure a desire demon doesn't want me to completely shut down with a  do not want.

[Medhia_Nox]

@CENIC:  Really... that interesting, it makes me wonder if what we're seeing is actually abominations when we see a lot of the demons.  Maybe we just assume that they can "somehow" stay material - but in reality they're just carving out hosts to stay.  

 

Which, of course fits into my desired direction of DA.  I really want demons to up their efforts in turning mages into abominations to the point that entire areas are carved out for a new faction of such beings... who travel in great hosts dragging mages back into their lairs and turning them.  

 

Anyway - tangent.

[CENIC]

@CENIC: Really... that interesting, it makes me wonder if what we're seeing is actually abominations when we see a lot of the demons. Maybe we just assume that they can "somehow" stay material - but in reality they're just carving out hosts to stay.

Well, in HoDA, the demons still have their own units/appearances, and haven't changed much from the games. Unique demons like Hybris and Shah Wyrd have unique models, but are still recognizably pride/rage demons, respectively.

[AutumnWitch]

I suppose it would be ok to have one of them (Male appearing Desire Demon) but I don't know... I think there is this mystique about having them always being female. I think as far as the whole desire/seduction thing goes it works better with female Desire Demons but to each their own I suppose.

[Oldkoboldqueen]

The cast of demons from DAO (which mostly carried over into DA2) was pretty generic. (Pride is a big, muscl-y dude-voiced monster, Sloth is a drippy/lumpy dude-voiced monster, Rage is a big firey dude-voiced demon, Desire is a svelte lady-monster in pasties). The whole "all bad-guys will either be scary and varying levels of inhuman or look like sexy ladies that seduce and eat you" is old and boring and definitely born of the trope of the evil female seductress and it would be nice to see more variation.

However, Gaider did mention that we don't know what the Desire Demons look like in DAI and we HAVE seen that there are more demon designs in the game so that may be something they've already addressed.

 

That said, I don't know that I particularly care to see male-looking and female-looking Desire demons, though that is one way to even the playing field. I'd also be okay with the Desire demon being more androgynous or more monstrous (the purple doesn't do much to make her scary, nor do the horns). In short, I'd like to see a demon representing a broader definition of desire or more in line with the other demon designs rather than a mostly-naked lady fondling herself.

[Storm King]

The cast of demons from DAO (which mostly carried over into DA2) was pretty generic. (Pride is a big, muscl-y dude-voiced monster, Sloth is a drippy/lumpy dude-voiced monster, Rage is a big firey dude-voiced demon, Desire is a svelte lady-monster in pasties). 

Regarding the voices at least, having deep/demonic/booming voices and saying they're immediately reflective of dudes isn't really that accurate. I mean, if you're going to give Rage or Pride a voice and you want it to be reflective of the quality been put forwards, having Rage sound like Bernadette from The Big Bang Theory isn't quite going to imbue the nature of Rage. I don't really care either way about the desire demons model (bonus of been bi I guess) but the voices aren't something you can accuse of playing into gender archetypes.

[Borosini]

Regarding the voices at least, having deep/demonic/booming voices and saying they're immediately reflective of dudes isn't really that accurate. I mean, if you're going to give Rage or Pride a voice and you want it to be reflective of the quality been put forwards, having Rage sound like Bernadette from The Big Bang Theory isn't quite going to imbue the nature of Rage. I don't really care either way about the desire demons model (bonus of been bi I guess) but the voices aren't something you can accuse of playing into gender archetypes.

Except that, generally speaking, only men have voices which approach that deep/booming quality, IRL. I doubt any of those demons were voiced by women.

 

If you think that "Rage" couldn't be embodied by a high-pitched female voice:

- Why not? Why does a human emotion that can be experienced by any human need to be represented only by a traditionally masculine vocalism?

- Consider the operatic trope of the 'rage aria.' One archetypical example is the Queen of the Night's famous aria from The Magic Flute. The role is sung by a soprano with access to extremely high notes, and she is most certainly not happy during 'Der Hölle Rache.'

[Hugebull]

no

[Lady Luminous]

Except that, generally speaking, only men have voices which approach that deep/booming quality, IRL. I doubt any of those demons were voiced by women.

 

If you think that "Rage" couldn't be embodied by a high-pitched female voice:

- Why not? Why does a human emotion that can be experienced by any human need to be represented only by a traditionally masculine vocalism?

- Consider the operatic trope of the 'rage aria.' One archetypical example is the Queen of the Night's famous aria from The Magic Flute. The role is sung by a soprano with access to extremely high notes, and she is most certainly not happy during 'Der Hölle Rache.'

 

 

Isn't the saying Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned? I see no harm in having a woman voice a rage demon. 

[Nefla]

Except that, generally speaking, only men have voices which approach that deep/booming quality, IRL. I doubt any of those demons were voiced by women.

 

If you think that "Rage" couldn't be embodied by a high-pitched female voice:

- Why not? Why does a human emotion that can be experienced by any human need to be represented only by a traditionally masculine vocalism?

- Consider the operatic trope of the 'rage aria.' One archetypical example is the Queen of the Night's famous aria from The Magic Flute. The role is sung by a soprano with access to extremely high notes, and she is most certainly not happy during 'Der Hölle Rache.'

I for one would love to hear a demon that sounds something like Ursula from The Little Mermaid

https://www.youtube....h?v=VyFVG4VfPmg

[Felya87]

....wouldn't it be funny if the desire deamon take the form of the LI in bikini?(of course if the player romanced someone)

[Andersfels-one]

hey and i want him as slutty as his female companion !