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#101
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Yeah okay? What is he gonna do, throw a fist full of chest hair at Oghren? The Oghmiester had chesthairs when he was in diapers. All I see happening in that scenario is Oghren charging at Varric relentlessly, throwing Bianca on the floor like a child's plaything, and pounding Varric into a boneless dwarven puddle with a great maul.


Unless he gets hit by a bolt falls over and is like "meep," without The Warden to come in and go "RAAAWWWER," or he gets spooked by the shleets. Varric ftw.
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#102
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I like them both, but for different reasons. I don't prefer one over the other. If they could both be on my team, I'd love to hear their conversations. 

 

Oghren's joining was nothing short of hilarious. I love that he's still good at killing while being drunk. Now that's warrior caste dedication. 

 

Varric is always cool and smooth to me. I like that about him. Also his storytelling, lying, and scoundrel ways. 

 

 


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#103
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Zevran>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fenris

Didn't you hear? Those two caught something at a bathhouse in Orlais and won't be around for DAI!

#104
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He may try, but he'll get curbstomed by Varric!

That will be hard to while Oghren is eating cereal out of the bottom of his Varric's skull.
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Hmm tough choice, I actually prefer Oghren...just barely, the main reason being that he was just a better in-game ally when it came to taking down enemies :3



#106
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I preferred Varric. I'm of the opinion that when it came to brass tacks Oghren was nothing more than a drunk with a loud mouth and a weapon... I love dirty jokes, I really do, but Oghren was just too much. Every single time he opened his mouth sodding, chest (you know the word), or some other dirty phrase would come out of it. I mean I even offed the guy and he had the audacity to

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I wouldn't have minded Oghren if he would have occasionally acted like the adult he was supposed to be.

 

Varric was an eloquent speaker who would go out of his way to make sure his friends were safe by doing things like paying out of his own pocket to keep the streets safe for Merrill (spelling?). Heck, he even had the guts to voice his concerns to my Hawke about Hawke and Merrill dating, that is something a true friend would do. Varric easily takes the win in my book.     

 

Edit: Added a spoiler tag in case someone wants to play Awakening and hasn't yet.



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Varric, easy choice for me. While I do enjoy Oghren depth in orgins awakening throws it out the window. Though Still love his his response to the Guardian. I used and talked every other warrior much more than Oghren.  Varric never left my party, gotta admit Varric playing team mom is nice and adorable. Between looking out for Merrill and keeping That other mage's clinic safe, whats not to love. Also Oghren is more likly to talk you into trouble while Varric can talk his out of it and avoid fights. My first time Oghren ruined any chance I had of negotiation with Kolgrim. Oghren does sometimes seem to have an usual amount of sense in banters sometime given who he is, respect for that.  



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Can I vote for Sigrun?


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#109
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A drunkard who's fun at parties:

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Or

 

A man with the best Chesthair in all of Thedas:

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I think I would rather take my chances with the Dwarf who can think, shoot, and silvertongue all of us out of our coin, over a dwarf who can drink you under the table.


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#110
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Oghren. He names his kid in honor of the Warden.

 

/thread

 

You mean the child he abandoned?  No thanks, deadbeat dad doesn't even make it on the 'barely tolerated list' for me.

Varric and Bianca all the way!



#111
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I hate Ohgren. I didn't let him become a Warden and tanked most of Awakening on my rogue, cos I hate him so much (Justice was the last companion I picked up)

 

I like Varric. 



#112
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Varric and I'm looking forward to him pushing Cass' buttons again, great odd couple. :lol:



#113
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Oghren by the length of the frost back mountains. loved Oghren, varric just annoys me……. hopefully i can arrange his death this time.


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#114
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They are both great characters imo, but Varric wins out by a small margin.



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Oghren = a love trip with StEvE BlUm WTOqkZZ.png?1?4129



#116
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Varric, by a huge margin. Oghren is a companion that I can only tolerate in small doses, and the only thing that ever gets me to actually enjoy his character in DA:O at all is the fact that his one-note drunken dwarf shtick contrasts with the moments where he can be truly heartfelt. Varric, on the other hand, is a character that I can gladly take everywhere and not end up being annoyed. In Origins, Oghren was pretty OK, and in the end I did end up loving the character, but Awakenings bludgeoned me with the parts of his character that I really didn't enjoy.



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Oghren was an interesting character.  His Chris Farley antics were mildly endearing, but one thing that did surprise me is that he does not go on some self-discovery and change himself or have some startling personal realization.  Oghren did not change.  He was my rock among all the madness, and whenever I turned to him for sage advice, he belched.  I liked that I could always rely on Oghren to be Oghren.

 

Varric, however, was one of the saving graces of DAII.  I only did two playthroughs myself, but from what I read he would always be your foil to your Paragon/Renegade Hawke.  I played the wise-cracking Hawke, and he and I got along swimmingly.  What I appreciated most about Varric was that he was one of the only characters in the game, the entire setting, that had his head on straight.  He saw through just about everything and he would do his aside glance-comment about how absurd everything was and continued on his merry way by my side.


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Oghren is my man. 



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Oghren is without a doubt my least favorite Bioware character ever, he's utterly unlikable and without any positive traits, all of his relationships end with people coming to hate him because he's emotionally and intellectually empty. I like Varric.


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#120
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Varric by far. Didn't like oghren much

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Unless he gets hit by a bolt falls over and is like "meep," without The Warden to come in and go "RAAAWWWER," or he gets spooked by the shleets. Varric ftw.

 

But nah seriously, Oghren own Varric.



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Oghren For the win Varric is cool 2 but hi is no oghren


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I've said it before, but I think Oghren is a good deconstruction of the jovial drunken dwarf trope. When you meet him, he's drinking himself stupid after being stripped of his house after drunkenly killing a noble in a proving. Then you get to find out what a failure he is as a husband and a lover, and he develops a bit more of a "sober" personality after his journeys with the Warden and some introspection on those facts. They could have just had him be the dwarven comic relief, but instead they showed the fault lines beneath the surface of that sort of personality. I think that was all well executed even if he's not necessarily likeable on the surface nor does his outward persona change much. I'd disagree that he has no character development though.

Awakening you could say takes that development and throws it out the window, but not necessarily in a way that's unrealistic for someone who just tried to kick a lifelong bad habit. He may be mainly comic relief, but as a character I think 'relapsed deadbeat' is a pretty legitimate direction to go beyond Origins, so nothing was really ruined.

Varric is mostly just a yes-bro designed for everyone to love with minimal issues of his own, at least in DA2. I have a feeling they may go slightly darker for DA:I, which I'd welcome, but no doubt it would rankle people just like Anders' change from Awakening to DA2. That's not to say Varric in DA2 is a bad character per se, if anything I guess he fits more as the 'anchor' type of character than Oghren could ever be. Oghren has too many issues.
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Oghren is a disgusting, belligerent, sexist homophobe. It's pretty much impossible for win beat out, well, anyone who isn't more abominable than himself. 

 

I've said it before, but I think Oghren is a good deconstruction of the jovial drunken dwarf trope. When you meet him, he's drinking himself stupid after being stripped of his house after drunkenly killing a noble in a proving. Then you get to find out what a failure he is as a husband and a lover, and he develops a bit more of a "sober" personality after his journeys with the Warden and some introspection on those facts. They could have just had him be the dwarven comic relief, but instead they showed the fault lines beneath the surface of that sort of personality. I think that was all well executed even if he's not necessarily likeable on the surface nor does his outward persona change much. I'd disagree that he has no character development though.

Awakening you could say takes that development and throws it out the window, but not necessarily in a way that's unrealistic for someone who just tried to kick a lifelong bad habit. He may be mainly comic relief, but as a character I think 'relapsed deadbeat' is a pretty legitimate direction to go beyond Origins, so nothing was really ruined.

Varric is mostly just a yes-bro designed for everyone to love with minimal issues of his own, at least in DA2. I have a feeling they may go slightly darker for DA:I, which I'd welcome, but no doubt it would rankle people just like Anders' change from Awakening to DA2. That's not to say Varric in DA2 is a bad character per se, if anything I guess he fits more as the 'anchor' type of character than Oghren could ever be. Oghren has too many issues.

 

An interesting deconstruction does not make a tolerable character. Yes, in principle, Oghren is an interesting deconstruction of what a D&D dwarf stereotype would be like. It just so happens that a D&D dwarf stereotype is such an intolerable monster than unlikable is pretty much the only thing he's good at being. 



#125
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It's all Oghren now.


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