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[Iakus]

If it's there, and the time left to reveal it is fast disappearing if it is,

I would be expecting a comprehensive demo.

 

I would also expect the interdependencies, if any, between single-play and multiplayer

to be clearly explained among the first round of demonstration and/or Q&A.

 

And if it isn't there, I would welcome the introduction of multiplayer in DA4, if that would be compatible with the story.

First, they have to show they can still tell a good SP story.  DA2 and ME3 have cast doubt on that.

 

Second, any interdependencies will be met with suspicion if not outright hostility.

[ElitePinecone]

I feel the need to deduct about 50 IQ points from people who use that tired old comeback.  It's not clever, and it says more about one's contempt for the person than the issue being discussed

 

It says a lot about the issue being discussed. I don't think the posturing about multiplayer is an accurate reflection of that poster's intentions.

 

It says that, generally, people make an incredible amount of noise about their one really specific pet issue before launch, and huff and puff about their purchasing decision being based on that, before buying the game anyway.

 

It's not contempt for the person, but understanding that if you're hanging around a videogame forum months before it launches, you're probably interested enough to buy it regardless of what they do with MP.

 

I went back and looked at the ME3 MP announcement thread a few weeks ago. The number of people who said "I'm not buying this rawr" with an ME3 badge under their name is hilarious.

[Iakus]

It says a lot about the issue being discussed. I don't think the posturing about multiplayer is an accurate reflection of that poster's intentions.

 

And of course, you can read that person's mind. 

 

It says that, generally, people make an incredible amount of noise about their one really specific pet issue before launch, and huff and puff about their purchasing decision being based on that, before buying the game anyway.

 

 

So you're saying you generalize everyone who makes that claim into liar's or weak-willed impulse buyers.  yeah that's much better.

 

 

It's not contempt for the person, but understanding that if you're hanging around a videogame forum months before it launches, you're probably interested enough to buy it regardless of what they do with MP.

 

So in other words it's contempt

 

 

I went back and looked at the ME3 MP announcement thread a few weeks ago. The number of people who said "I'm not buying this rawr" with an ME3 badge under their name is hilarious.

Yes, because they all ran out and bought the game immediately, rather than waiting for price drops or reviews.  Or heck finding it under a Christmas tree.  You read their minds and know this.

[ClassicBox]

I, personally, am not interested. Though I hope it's in for people that want it. The only thing I would be worried about (if we have MP) is that it affects the SP in a big way (stats wise and etc) like ME3. I don't care if there are bonuses, just none that are huge and are really hard to get in-game/not possible without it. If that makes sense? : P In the end it is just another feature that some people like and some don't. c:

[SofaJockey]

First, they have to show they can still tell a good SP story.  DA2 and ME3 have cast doubt on that.

Second, any interdependencies will be met with suspicion if not outright hostility.

 

To me the story so far released and trailered looks interesting.

My pre-order is in.

 

Those who doubt the story should wait until the reviews come out to make up their mind.

 

As far as interdependencies or the lack of them, I think the same applies:

 

If the demos and Q&As are convincing then all is well,

if there is remaining suspicion then they should wait until the reviews come out to make up their mind.

 

If people experience outright hostility against the game, they should not buy it.

[ElitePinecone]

There's no need to get angry.

 

So you're saying you generalize everyone who makes that claim into liar's or weak-willed impulse buyers.  yeah that's much better.

 

Not weak-willed, no.

 

I just don't think their objections to the game are particularly strongly held - in general. If you're posting here now, your attachment to the series and Inquisition seems assured. People say they're putting their preorder in jeopardy all the time, as a cry for attention or a transactional bargaining chip to get what they want. That doesn't mean they'd ever actually cancel it. At some point if they like the other 99% of the game, it's going to drown out the minor complaints for the vast majority of people that raise issues.

 

And I definitely don't think multiplayer is a dealbreaker for any significant number of people.

 

So, yes. See everyone on launch day.

[Iakus]

To me the story so far released and trailered looks interesting.

My pre-order is in.

 

Those who doubt the story should wait until the reviews come out to make up their mind.

 

As far as interdependencies or the lack of them, I think the same applies:

 

If the demos and Q&As are convincing then all is well,

if there is remaining suspicion then they should wait until the reviews come out to make up their mind.

 

If people experience outright hostility against the game, they should not buy it.

 

But at this point, history works against Bioware.  People complained theat the "Rise to Power" stroy in DA2 really wasn't all that. 

 

And let's not get started on ME3's problems.

 

And again, any interdependancies will not be received well.  You can thank ME3 for that, if you like.

 

I suspect that a MP announcement, if made,  will make a lot of people hold off on their purchases until they are sure it is "safe"

[Iakus]

There's no need to get angry.

 

 

Not weak-willed, no.

 

I just don't think their objections to the game are particularly strongly held - in general. If you're posting here now, your attachment to the series and Inquisition seems assured. People say they're putting their preorder in jeopardy all the time, as a cry for attention or a transactional bargaining chip to get what they want. That doesn't mean they'd ever actually cancel it. At some point if they like the other 99% of the game, it's going to drown out the minor complaints for the vast majority of people that raise issues.

 

And I definitely don't think multiplayer is a dealbreaker for any significant number of people.

 

So, yes. See everyone on launch day.

 

Like I said, that phrase makes me angry.  It is presumptuous, and more than a little condescending.  You show contempt for people's concerns with that phrase.  Even if you don't agree with them, or think they are exagerating, at least have the common courtesy to not be insulting.

[robertthebard]

It says a lot about the issue being discussed. I don't think the posturing about multiplayer is an accurate reflection of that poster's intentions.
 
It says that, generally, people make an incredible amount of noise about their one really specific pet issue before launch, and huff and puff about their purchasing decision being based on that, before buying the game anyway.
 
It's not contempt for the person, but understanding that if you're hanging around a videogame forum months before it launches, you're probably interested enough to buy it regardless of what they do with MP.
 
I went back and looked at the ME3 MP announcement thread a few weeks ago. The number of people who said "I'm not buying this rawr" with an ME3 badge under their name is hilarious.

I had a friend on another forum that thought I was bluffing about MotB, the expansion to NWN 2. After my experience with Atari's customer service, coupled with DRM that actually locked me out of legally obtained licenses on my computer. It took me 10 years to finally buy it, and I got it for a dollar.

I am interested enough in this game that I have already pre-ordered it. If, however, MP turns out to be able affect the SP campaign in a way that I can't achieve in SP, as it still does in ME 3, it may be 10 years before you see that tag under my name, if you ever do. I will assess what info is released, if there's even any info to release, and make my decision then. If I'm not happy with what I see, I'm heading over to Amazon immediately after, and cancelling my pre-order. It's really that simple. I'm a hell of a poker player, but I don't bluff. If it disappoints, I'll move on to some other game, it's what I've been doing for decades, and will continue to do. There won't be any bluster, there won't be any "I told you xxx", I'll just be on my way.

[Zjarcal]

I feel the need to deduct about 50 IQ points from people who use that tired old comeback.  It's not clever, and it says more about one's contempt for the person than the issue being discussed

 

Do you also deduct 50 IQ from the people who use tired and unclever arguments full of contempt against MP too? 

[SofaJockey]

If we're posting on this forum then we all have an interest in this game.

But I'm sure we can respect that we have different views and different requirements for feature validation pre and post launch.

 

That said, there are concerns that are in my opinion more 'valid' than others:

• Concerned about impact of MP on SP (understandable concern)
• Don't want it installed on my drive even if not impacting SP (rather bizarre concern)

[rafoquinha]

People are so expert on videogames development, right?

I mean... having multiplayer will redirect resources from singleplayer and make the game BAD.

 

I wish we had examples of games that got bad because of multiplayer. But I want proof that was MULTIPLAYER that made the game bad.

 

And, please, Bioware, bring us co-op!!!!!

[HellaciousHutch]

"lol".  You use that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

It wasn't tacked on, but that doesn't change my feeling that it's inclusion was a minus point.

 

And it DID affect the SP game.  At least by using it, and getting that 50% readiness up, made the SP 'better' endings much easier.

 

If by 'better' you mean adding an additional 5 to 10 second clip at the end of a single ending, then sure.

[rafoquinha]

And of course, you can read that person's mind. 

 

 

So you're saying you generalize everyone who makes that claim into liar's or weak-willed impulse buyers.  yeah that's much better.

 

So in other words it's contempt

 

Yes, because they all ran out and bought the game immediately, rather than waiting for price drops or reviews.  Or heck finding it under a Christmas tree.  You read their minds and know this.

 

At the end of the day it doesnt matter, man. ME3 had great reviews and sold a lot! So do you think Bioware cares with a bunch of people saying bad things in the forums? There will be always people complaining, no matter how perfect the game is.

 

These people complaining dont represent 0,01% of the number of people willactually buy the game.

 

And you bet those same people complaining bought the game too.

[Iakus]

At the end of the day it doesnt matter, man. ME3 had great reviews and sold a lot! So do you think Bioware cares with a bunch of people saying bad things in the forums? There will be always people complaining, no matter how perfect the game is.

 

These people complaining dont represent 0,01% of the number of people willactually buy the game.

 

And you bet those same people complaining bought the game too.

 

Do you even remember the backlash?  Bioware made a lot of money with ME3 by cashing in on its good name.  That trick doesn't usually work twice.  

 

The people complaining are just as representative as those who sing praises.

 

And no, I won't take bets on who did and who did not buy the game.

[Lee80]

 

• Don't want it installed on my drive even if not impacting SP (rather bizarre concern)

 

I'd say that isn't bizarre at all.  hard drive space management is quickly becoming a nightmare on current gen systems.  Optional install is totally the way to go with a features like multiplayer.  

[rafoquinha]

Do you even remember the backlash?  Bioware made a lot of money with ME3 by cashing in on its good name.  That trick doesn't usually work twice.  

 

The people complaining are just as representative as those who sing praises.

 

And no, I won't take bets on who did and who did not buy the game.

 

 

They said that about DA2 and ME3 still happened, and here you still are.

 

lol. Best answer ever.

 

People abandon a franchise when it is bad, not when it has multiplayer or is singleplayer only.MUltiplayer alone cant ruin a franchis... quite the opposite

[Allan Schumacher]

There's plenty of threads beating this horse already.