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[karushna5]

Honestly, I am glad genetic purity is something that none of the elves so far have cared about. It makes the Dalish much more uncomfortable, makes it seem antigay (since y'know Kids), and it always seems wrong when a culture tries to make serious demands on what 2 consenting adults do. I once played the rpg with a dalish character like that and he was horrible. I mean we as the players loved to hate him, and he didnt start out as a jerk but when he started talking about only elves should be with elves, we all agreed he was a jerk and he would be the moral foil of the other characters.

Elves perferring elves makes sense as other races may have a hard time understanding them, and the Dalish are travelling Elves so yeah gonna want to be with an elf. But genetic purity is a shaky line to stand on.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

A female elven love interest for a male elven protagonist would've been nice.

 

I'm happy for the players who are able to have their character pursue a romance with their female elven Inquisitor and Sera (and I hope Solas is available for men and women who are interested in romancing the apostate with their main character), but I see your point about the limitation of the romance options for a Dalish male protagonist with exclusively Andrastian human women. I think an elven romance would've been interesting, since it's never been possible to romance an elven woman with a male elven character, and I think there's a lot of common ground that the two would have - being members of a marginalized group of people who are constantly dehumanized in Andrastian society - and it would've been interesting to see how their potentially different cultural views would've worked out. There's also the inability to have elven children that can be a factor for some playthroughs, regardless of the cultural background of the elven main character (since the Dalish and the city elves want to see the elven race continue, and it's the reason we see arranged marriages in the Alienage).

 

Which is why I hope for a few things

 

1) Josephine is not an Andrastian shemlen.

 

2) We can steer Cassandra away from Andrastian and Chantry nonsense. 

 

Out of all that, I don't think a Dalish male has more options which is sad because my canon will be a male Dalish elf mage. 

[Jaison1986]

Yep, I gotta admit, dragon age seriously lacks in the non human romances. Anyone playing an male elf Inquisitor interested only in their own race will be left hanging.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Yes I mean that number, and partially available female LI's. Percentage vice gay community gets the longer stick this time. And only straight female is a she-hulk.

 

Should have worded it a bit better my friend.

 

I am a straight man myself, I make no excuses for it and I partially get what you are saying here.  

 

The first part doesn't make much sense though because it is bisexuals who get the most options, not gays and not straight. 

 

What you intended to say with regards to Cassandra is "The only straight female option is a butch short haired woman, which is not my type of woman and I prefer a feminine ladylike woman with longer hair and less brashness." 

 

That would have made a lot more sense and clarity. 

 

I am with you on that as well. In DA:O we got Morrigan who was both feminine and independent.

 

In DA 2, we got Merrill who was feminine, cute, adorable and naive. Yes she is bisexual but she not the promiscuous type of bisexual like Isabela. She is more like Fenris in that she is rather territorial about Hawke. 

 

From the list of love interests I have seen so far for DAI, the feminine, ladylike and independent woman on the team would most likely be Josephine Montilyet.

 

So that's who you should look out for if you want a romance. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Yep, I gotta admit, dragon age seriously lacks in the non human romances. Anyone playing an male elf Inquisitor interested only in their own race will be left hanging.

 

That is only partially correct. The reality is much worse. 

 

Anyone playing as a male non-human Inquisitor interested only in a heterosexual relationship with members of their own race will be left hanging. 

 

No idea why they did not include a female elf or a female dwarf or a female Qunari as bisexual love interest this time around. Merrill was well received by the fanbase after all. So was Sigrun even though she was not romanceable. 

[Avalonica]

Generally speaking; with a proper savegame editor all and any flags can be changed so ANY character can romance ANYONE regardless of sex/race. However, the best bet is to wait for a released "mod" that transparently makes this possible without player interaction.

 

We'll see lots mods for Dragon Age: Inquisition despite the fact that Frostbite has a stigma all over it about being mod-impossible (nothing is impossible, just look on all the server emulators for the biggest mmorpgs out there).

 

Have faith and trust in your 3rd party coders!

[phantomrachie]

Generally speaking; with a proper savegame editor all and any flags can be changed so ANY character can romance ANYONE regardless of sex/race. However, the best bet is to wait for a released "mod" that transparently makes this possible without player interaction.

 

We'll see lots mods for Dragon Age: Inquisition despite the fact that Frostbite has a stigma all over it about being mod-impossible (nothing is impossible, just look on all the server emulators for the biggest mmorpgs out there).

 

Have faith and trust in your 3rd party coders!

 

Please stop, you are going around random threads making the same point over and over again. In some of the threads you've posted in your point doesn't even make any sense. You then accuse anyone who calls you out on behaviour as post farming.

 

On Topic

 

With 8 Possible LIs in DA:I, I'm very conflicted over changing their sexual orientation with a mod. I understood it in DA:O, were a gay Warden only had one LI option but BioWare seems to be trying everyone options as equal as possible so I feel that changing a character's sexual orientation is kinda gross.

 

There are so few gay characters in games that using a mod to remove some of them makes me feel like you'd be trying to make the DA:I cast more straight. Turning straight characters gay also feels unnecessary with this many options and feels more like you want to control a character rather than learn about them (this can be said for mods to turn gay characters straight too)

 

Of course I also take the point that a straight male Dalish Inquisitor has no elven romance.

 

As I said I'm conflicted, its not as clear cut for me as mods that whitewash characters, which are totally gross   

[In Exile]

Honestly, I am glad genetic purity is something that none of the elves so far have cared about. It makes the Dalish much more uncomfortable, makes it seem antigay (since y'know Kids), and it always seems wrong when a culture tries to make serious demands on what 2 consenting adults do. I once played the rpg with a dalish character like that and he was horrible. I mean we as the players loved to hate him, and he didnt start out as a jerk but when he started talking about only elves should be with elves, we all agreed he was a jerk and he would be the moral foil of the other characters.

Elves perferring elves makes sense as other races may have a hard time understanding them, and the Dalish are travelling Elves so yeah gonna want to be with an elf. But genetic purity is a shaky line to stand on.

 

It's pretty hard to find an ideology more offensive to get behind than racial purity - especially since Dalish cultural views already veer worryingly close to actually idolizing a racially pure utopia and otherwise having a lot of really virulent racist. A romance that amounts to a Stormfront fantasy with "elf" substituted for "white" is.. well... really, really bad. 

[Elfyoth]

Okay first of all I haven't created this thread of anti-homosexuality, I've created this thread cuz telling what I wished and what I hope will be in Future DA games, I don't hate Gays, or Lesbians, cuz They're pepole too. I have created this thread for hoping there will be female elven romances that can romance males too and that you could be an elf and romance her. thats it. I hope I haven't written anything that can be offensive for Homosexuals, and if I did, I am sorry.  BTW sorry for my first post of the thread been a long time since I have written in Eng on Computer =).

[daveliam]

Okay first of all I haven't created this thread of anti-homosexuality, I've created this thread cuz telling what I wished and what I hope will be in Future DA games, I don't hate Gays, or Lesbians, cuz They're pepole too. I have created this thread for hoping there will be female elven romances that can romance males too and that you could be an elf and romance her. thats it. I hope I haven't written anything that can be offensive for Homosexuals, and if I did, I am sorry.  BTW sorry for my first post of the thread been a long time since I have written in Eng on Computer =).

 

Yeah, I didn't get any "anti-gay" vibes from your post at all, so I'm not really sure how it devolved into that again and, frankly, aren't interested in reading to find out.

 

Here's hoping that, for your sake and those who share your opinion, that future DA games will have the option to play a male elf who can romance a female elf.

 

You do seem to have missed a series of early Bioware games where almost all of the female LI's were elves.  BG2 -->3 female LI's (two elves, one half-elf); NWN --> 3 female LI's (two elves, one half-elf).  You should probably check those games out. 

[Elfyoth]

Yeah, I didn't get any "anti-gay" vibes from your post at all, so I'm not really sure how it devolved into that again and, frankly, aren't interested in reading to find out.

 

Here's hoping that, for your sake and those who share your opinion, that future DA games will have the option to play a male elf who can romance a female elf.

 

You do seem to have missed a series of early Bioware games where almost all of the female LI's were elves.  BG2 -->3 female LI's (two elves, one half-elf); NWN --> 3 female LI's (two elves, one half-elf).  You should probably check those games out. 

 

 

DA:O was my first bioware game  

[daveliam]

DA:O was my first bioware game

 

I never really played NWN that much, so I can't really speak for it.  But BG2 was awesome.  I highly recommend it (and BG1).

[LobselVith8]

It's pretty hard to find an ideology more offensive to get behind than racial purity - especially since Dalish cultural views already veer worryingly close to actually idolizing a racially pure utopia and otherwise having a lot of really virulent racist. A romance that amounts to a Stormfront fantasy with "elf" substituted for "white" is.. well... really, really bad. 

 

The Dalish and the City elves both want the elven population to continue; it's why arranged marriages take place in the Alienage (including the City Elf Origin). The developers and the novels have made it clear that the children of humans and elves are human, and Gaider suggested the reason may be magical. Of course, you're welcome to disagree with the decision made by the creators for this to be the case for the elven people, but I don't see it comparable to real world racism.

[Steelcan]

The Dalish and the City elves both want the elven population to continue; it's why arranged marriages take place in the Alienage (including the City Elf Origin). The developers and the novels have made it clear that the children of humans and elves are human, and Gaider suggested the reason may be magical. Of course, you're welcome to disagree with the decision made by the creators for this to be the case for the elven people, but I don't see it comparable to real world racism.

"we have to continue our racial purity or else we will all die out"

 

Stormfront or Dalish

[LobselVith8]

"we have to continue our racial purity or else we will all die out"

 

Stormfront or Dalish

 

I respectfully, strongly disagree with this. You're equating the idea of biologically-motivated racial preserving with an ethnocentric sense of racial purity, which isn't the same thing. Saying "We must preserve the white race because it is better than the brown people so no white people can have children with brown people" is radically different from saying "If elves don't have children with elves, elves will physically cease to exist forever as a species".

[In Exile]

The Dalish and the City elves both want the elven population to continue; it's why arranged marriages take place in the Alienage (including the City Elf Origin). The developers and the novels have made it clear that the children of humans and elves are human, and Gaider suggested the reason may be magical. Of course, you're welcome to disagree with the decision made by the creators for this to be the case for the elven people, but I don't see it comparable to real world racism.

 

Real world racists believe that if "white" people don't exclusively intermarry with "white" people, then the "white" race will die out. The IRL racists absolutely believe there is some mythical "white" race that they are saving by breeding for genetic purity. 

 

All that you're saying is that you think the IRL racists would be right if there was good reason to believe that race isn't a social construct. 

[Maria Caliban]

Honestly, I am glad genetic purity is something that none of the elves so far have cared about. It makes the Dalish much more uncomfortable, makes it seem antigay (since y'know Kids)...

I don't agree with that assessment.

Lesbians can have sex with men and gay men can have sex with women. It might not be romantic or enjoyable, but if the idea is simply to produce a child because it's your duty, it's probably not the worst thing ever.

I assume that throughout human history, gay people have managed to do this. If you live in a pre industrial society, there are so many more unpleasant things you need to do.

[phantomrachie]

I don't agree with that assessment.

Lesbians can have sex with men and gay men can have sex with women. It might not be romantic or enjoyable, but if the idea is simply to produce a child because it's your duty, it's probably not the worst thing ever.

I assume that throughout human history, gay people have managed to do this. If you live in a pre industrial society, there are so many more unpleasant things you need to do.

 

Good point, if elven children are goal then it doesn't matter what sexuality the parents are.

 

Lesbian Dalish could seek out a male Dalish as a donor, Gay Dalish could seek out a a women for a surrogate.

 

Dalish children seem to be raised more by the clan as a whole than their parents  

[tmp7704]

I don't agree with that assessment.

Lesbians can have sex with men and gay men can have sex with women. It might not be romantic or enjoyable, but if the idea is simply to produce a child because it's your duty, it's probably not the worst thing ever.

If they so wish they can also adopt and raise orphaned kids of other elves, without the unpleasant sex part. There's plenty orphans and opportunities to become one in these medieval RPGs.

[coldflame]

What I mean is this think about it! it will be the first time you can be an Elf with an Elven romance! And not a City Elf but a Dalish it means that the Dalish usually mostly keep romancing between them selves it is very rare that a Dalish elf will go romance a human... Qunari inquisitor is a vashoth they don't care who they romance like the elves, human well its a human.. Dwarf inqwuisitor= Surface Dwarf.. they don't usually care if its a human or elf or whatever

sorry for my bad English long time hasent trained in.

Just wait for a mod or something. By the looks of it there is quite a few people not satisfied with the revealed Li. I am sure there will be fan made mods coming out to rectify this.

 

P.S. Get the game on PC or you won't get the potential mods.

[Elfyoth]

Real world racists believe that if "white" people don't exclusively intermarry with "white" people, then the "white" race will die out. The IRL racists absolutely believe there is some mythical "white" race that they are saving by breeding for genetic purity.

All that you're saying is that you think the IRL racists would be right if there was good reason to believe that race isn't a social construct.

[Elfyoth]

Real world racists believe that if "white" people don't exclusively intermarry with "white" people, then the "white" race will die out. The IRL racists absolutely believe there is some mythical "white" race that they are saving by breeding for genetic purity.

All that you're saying is that you think the IRL racists would be right if there was good reason to believe that race isn't a social construct.

[Elfyoth]

Rrr i hate writing from iphone

[Elfyoth]

Rrr i hate writing from iphone

[karushna5]

I don't agree with that assessment.Lesbians can have sex with men and gay men can have sex with women. It might not be romantic or enjoyable, but if the idea is simply to produce a child because it's your duty, it's probably not the worst thing ever.I assume that throughout human history, gay people have managed to do this. If you live in a pre industrial society, there are so many more unpleasant things you need to do.

That sounds horrible. I would prefer the Dalish are just naturally straight. A long time ago that was necessary but a lot of interprising people found a way around it even back then. If gay people have to do this in a culture than we can just go back to gay people are hated in Thedas, because there is no point in being accepted if that is at all required.

Because yes the pre industrial age was unpleasant, it was horrible in many ways but that type of logic leads to games that must have grit for grit sake and worst elements that are popping up in games continued for sake of history