The plan deployed against the Geth was a solid one, and worked just fine until the Geth accepted the offer the Reapers made in advance of the Quarian invasion and got code upgrades which even the heretics never had.
I'll cease my bitching because of this.
Still don't believe Rannoch was a necessity
The Quarians could be aware of that offer though, but we get way too much into headcanon there to discuss it seriously. (if Tali's dead they don't know, that's for sure)
Point being, they won't get as sick there as they would experiencing similar accidents elsewhere.
Any proof for this? Because I don't remember any.
"It's the difference between sixty years and six hundred." The six hundred on another planet would be contingent on bioengineerig themselves to eliminate their dependency on their native plant life; technology which is both unavailable in the aftermath of the Reaper war and illegal in Council space.
What? How do you come to this conclusion?
Their civilian ships were already armed. That's kind of necessary when you live in the Terminus systems, and neither the Geth nor the Reapers have ever distinguished between armed and unarmed ships. Where's the benefit in not being armed?
The plan deployed against the Geth was a solid one, and worked just fine until the Geth accepted the offer the Reapers made in advance of the Quarian invasion and got code upgrades which even the heretics never had.
I'm not saying that there is no benifit in being armed. I'm saying that maneuvering your civilian ships deep into enemy territory where they'll most likely end under fire is one of the most supid military strategies I've ever heard. Bonus points for flying your entire race into a firefight, so that your entire race can be wiped out.
And their plan can lead to the extinction of their entire race in the game. If a plan can lead to that, it is by default a incredibly stupid plan. Also they knew that the Reapers were around and that some Geth allied with them in the past. The admirality should have probably taken that into some sort of consideration before leading their entire race (Those dumb*sses even called back everyone that was on their pilgrimage or otherwise away from the fleet) into war agianst the Geth.
And their plan can lead to the extinction of their entire race in the game. If a plan can lead to that, it is by default a incredibly stupid plan. Also they knew that the Reapers were around and that some Geth allied with them in the past. The admirality should have probably taken that into some sort of consideration before leading their entire race (Those dumb*sses even called back everyone that was on their pilgrimage or otherwise away from the fleet) into war agianst the Geth.
So they were supposed to anticipate that the geth would turn to the reapers, get upgrades far beyond anything they had ever seen before, and then successfully turn the tide of the war that up to then been horrifically one sided?
So they were supposed to anticipate that the geth would turn to the reapers, get upgrades far beyond anything they had ever seen before, and then successfully turn the tide of the war that up to then been horrifically one sided?
So they were supposed to anticipate that the geth would turn to the reapers, get upgrades far beyond anything they had ever seen before, and then successfully turn the tide of the war that up to then been horrifically one sided?
When you consider that some Geth had allied with the Reapers just two years before...yes, I think so. They should have known that an attack would drive them straight into the Reapers' arms (as Koris puts it).
. But how were they supposed to anticipate the hardware upgrades that outclassed what the heretics received?When you consider that some Geth had allied with the Reapers just two years before...yes, I think so. They should have known that an attack would drive them straight into the Reapers' arms (as Koris puts it).
What do you think would have happened if Tali took off her mask and breathed deep on, say, Omega?Any proof for this? Because I don't remember any.
ME3 codex entry on Rannoch (physiological dependency on native plant life), ME2 discussion on Quarian immune systems (same), ME2 discussion at the console asking why they haven't colonized another planet. That "60 years or 600" is a direct quote. Add to that the ME1 codex on genetic modification: enhancing natural abilities is legal, "adding a tail or the ability to digest cellulose" is not. Modifications to remove their dependency on plants they no longer have access to seems to fall into the latter category. It'd be like scripting a human who didn't need vitamin C.What? How do you come to this conclusion?
It's not like they wanted to. Split the fleet and you both reduce its firepower (meaning it'll take longer to get the job done before they can offload and commit to the Reapers) and throw a wrench in logistics. Xen, at the start of the rescue mission: "Even Koris recognized the need for the civilian fleet. The invasion would be stalled without a supply chain, after all."I'm not saying that there is no benifit in being armed. I'm saying that maneuvering your civilian ships deep into enemy territory where they'll most likely end under fire is one of the most supid military strategies I've ever heard. Bonus points for flying your entire race into a firefight, so that your entire race can be wiped out.
I guess they should have sacrificed a goat and read the entrails to discern that the Geth would run to the Reapers and receive code upgrades that even the heretics never had? Any military engagement is a risk. In this case, using Xen's flashbang was deemed less risky than clumping around in space, incapable of offering aid to the other species and waiting to get picked off. And as far as risking extinction goes, could say much the same about throwing all of our resources into building... something... that we don't know what it does in hopes that it might beat the Reapers.And their plan can lead to the extinction of their entire race in the game. If a plan can lead to that, it is by default a incredibly stupid plan. Also they knew that the Reapers were around and that some Geth allied with them in the past. The admirality should have probably taken that into some sort of consideration before leading their entire race (Those dumb*sses even called back everyone that was on their pilgrimage or otherwise away from the fleet) into war agianst the Geth.
Had the Quarians not gone after the Geth, with the reapers invading the galaxy, the ships that were lost before Shepard showed up, would've helped the galaxy fight the reapers.
It just was bad timing on their part when they had the last 300 years to come up with a counterattack against the Geth. Too bad the weapon Xen made wasn't around earlier where the Quarians could defeat the Geth without the machines having outside influence.
Had they tried earlier, I'm certain the Council would have happily stomped them. They were willing to bombard the settlement on Ekuna - kill them - I doubt they'd have any qualms about it so long as it wasn't widely publicized.Had the Quarians not gone after the Geth, with the reapers invading the galaxy, the ships that were lost before Shepard showed up, would've helped the galaxy fight the reapers.
It just was bad timing on their part when they had the last 300 years to come up with a counterattack against the Geth. Too bad the weapon Xen made wasn't around earlier where the Quarians could defeat the Geth without the machines having outside influence.
Had the Quarians not gone after the Geth, with the reapers invading the galaxy, the ships that were lost before Shepard showed up, would've helped the galaxy fight the reapers.
It just was bad timing on their part when they had the last 300 years to come up with a counterattack against the Geth. Too bad the weapon Xen made wasn't around earlier where the Quarians could defeat the Geth without the machines having outside influence.
There would only be a very small timeframe for that. Sovereign would likely have given them the same upgrades they got in ME3 had the Quarians decided to go after the Geth.
Had they tried earlier, I'm certain the Council would have happily stomped them. They were willing to bombard the settlement on Ekuna - kill them - I doubt they'd have any qualms about it so long as it wasn't widely publicized.
Why would the council stop the Quarians from taking back their palnet? To me the council is a ****ing joke.
As I said, if this weapon of Xen's was available say 100 years after the Quarians left their planet,the Geth would be nothing but scrap metal and the Quarians would more than likely be back on Rannoch long before the reapers could do their voodoo crap on the Geth. Sovereign would just have to find some other guinea pigs to push around.
Why would the council stop the Quarians from taking back their palnet? To me the council is a ****ing joke.
As I said, if this weapon of Xen's was available say 100 years after the Quarians left their planet,the Geth would be nothing but scrap metal and the Quarians would more than likely be back on Rannoch long before the reapers could do their voodoo crap on the Geth. Sovereign would just have to find some other guinea pigs to push around.
Can hear Javik trolling Tali now: In my cycle no one ever lost their homeworld twice.
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10/10 won't bring anyone else
11/10
I never brought anyone else and I don't care.
What even three hundred years later if they are not actually guilty of anything? Sounds like murder to me.
In 2245, if there's a dude walking around Israel with a swastika on his arm band, I'd understand his getting shot. Neither condone or condemn it.
Had they tried earlier, I'm certain the Council would have happily stomped them. They were willing to bombard the settlement on Ekuna - kill them - I doubt they'd have any qualms about it so long as it wasn't widely publicized.
Ekuna was in Citadel space, same as Aite.
The Phoenix Massing cluster was part of Citadel Space until 2133. The Quarians discovered it at the turn of the century, meaning that it was in Citadel space at the time.
If the Quarians had tried to take back Rannoch in 2100, no one would've objected. Are you suggesting that if the Quarians retake Rannoch, Turian fleets are going to show up and force them off? Sure, they had the agreement not to provoke the Geth, but if they had won, then no one would've cared.
As I said, if this weapon of Xen's was available say 100 years after the Quarians left their planet,the Geth would be nothing but scrap metal and the Quarians would more than likely be back on Rannoch long before the reapers could do their voodoo crap on the Geth. Sovereign would just have to find some other guinea pigs to push around.
Had the reaper invasion been delayed just a bit longer, by, say, a few more months, it's possible that the quarians would have successfully wiped out the geth before their arrival.
Probably a few more weeks they seem to get rid of the Geth fairly quickly after their fleet is destroyed.
Heads up, Prince Harry.In 2245, if there's a dude walking around Israel with a swastika on his arm band, I'd understand his getting shot. Neither condone or condemn it.
We have an end date for when it fell under Citadel jurisdiction, but no start date. What we do know is that the Quarians discovered it and began to settle it, then the Council stepped in and threatened to kill them all if they didn't leave.Ekuna was in Citadel space, same as Aite.
The Phoenix Massing cluster was part of Citadel Space until 2133. The Quarians discovered it at the turn of the century, meaning that it was in Citadel space at the time.
If the Quarians had tried to take back Rannoch in 2100, no one would've objected. Are you suggesting that if the Quarians retake Rannoch, Turian fleets are going to show up and force them off? Sure, they had the agreement not to provoke the Geth, but if they had won, then no one would've cared.
We have an end date for when it fell under Citadel jurisdiction, but no start date. What we do know is that the Quarians discovered it and began to settle it, then the Council stepped in and threatened to kill them all if they didn't leave.
That was just for having the tenacity to set down on a planet they discovered which had yet to be claimed by anyone. If the Council got wind of any attempt to violate their agreement not to "provoke" the Geth, an action which (unlike settling Ekuna) actually represented a possible threat to the wider galaxy if the effort failed, what do you think the Council would do to them then?
They were in Council space regardless. Most of Montana is unused, but refugees don't get to move in.
They wouldn't send multiple fleets chasing them through the ass-ends of space to stop them. They may issue a trade embargo on the fleet.
There was intelligence that the Citadel had that the Quarians were going to try something in those six months, and they did nothing about it.
I wouldn't mind a story where some other faction declares war on the Council and dispatches them.
I wouldn't mind a story where some other faction declares war on the Council and dispatches them.
Except for the problem that there is no other known faction, outside of the Reapers, that could.
Like the "retreat through the relay line." Stupid wishful thinking.
Yeah, you said that before, but it's a groundless assertion. My entire point was that there is no proof Ekuna was in Council space at the time the Quarians discovered it - you have an end date for when it fell under Council jurisdiction and no start date. Even if it was Council territory before they were even aware of it's existence, the Council was going to go in there and kill them. Yeah, so you have a refugee camp in Montana. Illegal immigrants, whatever you want to call them. Dropping napalm on them isn't the first reaction of a sane person.They were in Council space regardless. Most of Montana is unused, but refugees don't get to move in.
Funny thing, that. I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that Council-associated races were forbidden to trade with exiles (see gray-market between hanar and batarians). I thought that if humanity pulled out circa ME1, the Salarians etc. would be obliged to cut all economic ties.They wouldn't send multiple fleets chasing them through the ass-ends of space to stop them. They may issue a trade embargo on the fleet.
Saw that too. Council had their hands full at the time with the Alpha Relay fiasco and trying to keep the lid on a human-batarian war. Had they received notice that the Quarians were about to hit the Geth (or had the Quarians acted before the events of ME1) I'm certain they would have intervened.There was intelligence that the Citadel had that the Quarians were going to try something in those six months, and they did nothing about it.
Except for the problem that there is no other known faction, outside of the Reapers, that could.
Like the "retreat through the relay line." Stupid wishful thinking.
I don't see what's so stupid about it. Space is a big, dark, seemingly endless abyss of stars and death, and the MEU leaves so much of it unexplored. I don't expect any faction to crawl out of the woodwork to suddenly declare war on everything, but part of me would like to see it. Heck it doesn't even need to be a huge army. It just needs to be a group that is exceptionally good at infiltration. It's been done before, and it can be done again.
I guess I just kind of want to see the whole system be burned to the ground, for entertainment purposes, of course.
All out war with Terminus sounds like something the council is wary of in ME1 and it would make for some good battle scenes.
And what's a story without conflict. I wish I could actually see what it was that the Council was concerned about if they really did have to duke it out with the rabble of the Terminus.
That was the case before we saw that the Terminus was populated by a rabble of color-coded mercenary groups composed of species we're all familiar with. Vorcha were the only new arrivals. ME3 had none.All out war with Terminus sounds like something the council is wary of in ME1 and it would make for some good battle scenes.
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