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[Barquiel]

But the only child in the entire Mass Effect Universe is Starbrat... errr. Harbinger.... errr. Ventboy. There are no others. Starbrat is the "ghost of ventboy."
 
Hence since there are no children in the MEU, Ventboy was Harbinger.
 
There should at least have been children on refugee level of the Citadel. But David would say... resources.
 
So children don't exist in the MEU because we never see them. Only Shepard saw the child.
 
Thessia.... this is Liara's "I'm as dumb as Shepard" moment. The writing of this part of the plot was absolutely horrid. Even if you hate Liara, you have to feel sorry for her being forced to say those idiotic lines. Who wrote that script? Keep them away from the next game, please!

John Dombrow wrote Thessia, And as far as I know, he left Bioware

But he also wrote Tuchanka, which was a great mission.

[Quarian Master Race]

The only person with good dialogue on Thessia was Javik

10/10 won't bring anyone else

I wish I could respond with "umad Liara" and brofist Javik for his stellar performance. Almost made the worst mission in the entire game worthwhile.

[Steelcan]

All of the writers are a mixed bag, Walters for example was lead writer, but also did ME/2 Wrex and Garrus

[Mordokai]

Feeling bad about it is one thing, but the way Shepard blames his or herself and mopes about it just grates on me. It felt like the game was accusing ME of not doing enough, when there was nothing that could of been done about it. I think that's why it irks me and so many people so much.

 

I... never felt that.

 

To each his own, I guess. But more and more I'm figuring out, it doesn't pay to overthink things. Makes you lead a happier life.

[Barquiel]

I agree. I think Mac Walters is a pretty good character writer, but plots aren't his strong field. Or Patrick Weekes. He wrote two of my favorite squadmates in ME (Mordin and Kasumi), but also my least favorite favorite character in the series (Tali).

[RiptideX1090]

 
The cutscenes were stupid and the player knows the game will end three missions later, but put yourself in Shepards shoes. The mission was a failure. You've just lost to Kai Leng, failed to get the VI...and you have no clue where Kai Leng went. I think it's natural in that situation to ask yourself what you could have done differently.

Add to that that Thessia reminded Shepard of what happened to Earth (Shepards Earth centrism has been widely discussed in various threads) and how the war was already grinding on her mind (dreams) and you get a devastated Shepard. I think Bioware did good in stripping you of the choice of being a happy Shepard there. It wouldn't have made any sense.

 

Again, there's just too much dissonance when you're practically rubbing it in our faces how much Shepard utterly failed, even though it's all scripted, and thus you're basically saying the player failed.

 

"Thessia is lost, and that's on me!"

 

Since we are Shepard, that's like saying "Thessia is lost, and it's the player's fault!"

 

I don't care that in-character Shepard is feeling miserable for the loss of Thessia because I as the player don't feel miserable about it, I feel like I've been scolded and I'm angry. This is a game, first and foremost. There are certain conventions that need to be adhered to because of that. Fighting a boss only to do everything you can to win and getting a game over screen is bad game design, and that same logic applies in Mass Effect's narrative, because the narrative itself IS gameplay.

 

It's the same thing with the ventboy. I get that Shepard is flipping out over it, okay, but it's the fact that obviously I am supposed to be flipping out over it as the player, too. Like, I didn't know this kid, why should I care?

 

In both cases there is dissonance between what Shepard feels and what the player feels, and that's a result of bad writing.

[RiptideX1090]

 

 

To each his own, I guess. But more and more I'm figuring out, it doesn't pay to overthink things. Makes you lead a happier life.

 

Truth.

[dreamgazer]

Thessia.... this is Liara's "I'm as dumb as Shepard" moment. The writing of this part of the plot was absolutely horrid. Even if you hate Liara, you have to feel sorry for her being forced to say those idiotic lines. Who wrote that script? Keep them away from the next game, please!

 

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[themikefest]

The Fall of Thessia is the quite literally the lowest point in the war for the Citadel factions (three council homeworlds occupied now)...and it was a lot more than just losing Thessia. It was not only a personal defeat by Kai Leng but also defeat on a much larger scale. Without the Crucible, the galactic community might as well just put their weapons down and give in to harvesting. And most of the conversation after Thessia is about how Shep failed to stop Cerberus, and failed to get the Catalyst. And Shepards reaction would have been the same if Palavan or Sur'kesh would have been the third homeworld to fall, with the final component needed for the Crucible stolen by Cerberus on one of those two worlds. Maybe you're right and a mission on the citadel would have been better, or we could visit Thessia as a hub world prior to invasion. But Shepard isn't mourning the Asari more than her own people or the Turians.

Had the beacon been revealed earlier, the outcome may of been different. I wouldn't say Shepard failed, I would say the Asari failed to help Shepard by not revealing that information. You don't know if Shepard's reaction would be the same if another world fell instead of Thessia at that point.

 

I do agree that having Thessia as a hub would be nice, at least up until the end of the Geth/Quarian war. Also have Sur"Kesh as hub after retrieving the female Krogan

 

 
The cutscenes were stupid and the player knows the game will end three missions later, but put yourself in Shepards shoes. The mission was a failure. You've just lost to Kai Leng, failed to get the VI...and you have no clue where Kai Leng went. I think it's natural in that situation to ask yourself what you could have done differently.

On my first playthrough, I had no idea the game would end 3 missions later. If I was to put myself in Shepard's shoes. I would kick Liara off the ship for yelling at Javik for no reason. Head back to the Citadel and kill the Asari councilor and then head to Sanctuary. Isn't that where Kai Leng went?

 

There is nothing Shepard could've done differently because the Asari had what we needed and didn't let Shepard know until the reapers were knocking down the front door.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Why waste the time killing the Asari councilor? She just found out about the thing. She's just telling you what her government tells her. Like Sparatus tells you in the beginning, the Councilors have no real power. The people who withheld the information are probably hiding in a bunker somewhere or were evacuated on a ship.

 

What is fascinating is that TIM found out about it from the Mars Archives. Why didn't our Prothean Expert? Or EDI? Why didn't our team on Mars find out about it? They had the archives 30 years and didn't know about the archive on Thessia? Yet TIM knew its exact location. I know.... ass pull. This is another plot point we're not supposed to think about because when we do the bottom drops out and the whole thing falls into a deep hole.

[Steelcan]

Why waste the time killing the Asari councilor? She just found out about the thing. She's just telling you what her government tells her. Like Sparatus tells you in the beginning, the Councilors have no real power. The people who withheld the information are probably hiding in a bunker somewhere or were evacuated on a ship.

 

What is fascinating is that TIM found out about it from the Mars Archives. Why didn't our Prothean Expert? Or EDI? Why didn't our team on Mars find out about it? They had the archives 30 years and didn't know about the archive on Thessia? Yet TIM knew its exact location. I know.... ass pull. This is another plot point we're not supposed to think about because when we do the bottom drops out and the whole thing falls into a deep hole.

We don't know that, all she says is that she's received information, and for all we know it could be "hey tell the Commander of our beacon".

 

the other Councilor, Irissa, has some different dialogue on it

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

We don't know that, all she says is that she's received information, and for all we know it could be "hey tell the Commander of our beacon".

 

the other Councilor, Irissa, has some different dialogue on it

 

But you have to agree about the rest of my post.

[Steelcan]

But you have to agree about the rest of my post.

basically

 

the went to some pretty large measures to make sure Cerberus was everywhere and knew everything

[DeinonSlayer]

Thessia was actually written by John Dombrow, who wrote Tuchanka, Garrus, and Javik. He's left BW.

Wow. Drew's gone, Chris is gone, Casey's gone, John's gone, who else is left? Just Weekes and Walters?

[themikefest]

The Asari councilor that replaces the first one, does know about the beacon. When you see her, she seems very paranoid, like someone is watching her. So, she must be concerned for her safety. When asked by Shepard, why mention this now, she says there is a balance of power that the Asari do not wish to change. Meaning, she doesn't want her species to lose their number one ranking. In other words she didn't give a crap about the other species, but because the reapers are closing on her homeworld, they force her hand in telling where this beacon is.

[Livi14]

Tevos didn't know about the beacon at all until ME3. Killing your contact inside asari high command just to become a criminal in citadel space sounds pretty stupid.

[Han Shot First]

No, but they've got the galaxy's most incompetent leaders.

 

And that's saying something, because nearly every politician in the series is portrayed as a clueless twit.

[dreamgazer]

Wow. Drew's gone, Chris is gone, Casey's gone, John's gone, who else is left? Just Weekes and Walters?

 

That's assuming Weekes isn't done with the MEU.

 

Jay Watamaniuk's involved.  Ann Lemay, too. 

[Steelcan]

Wow. Drew's gone, Chris is gone, Casey's gone, John's gone, who else is left? Just Weekes and Walters?

Weekes is on the DA team for now

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

No, but they've got the galaxy's most incompetent leaders.

 

And that's saying something, because nearly every politician in the series is portrayed as a clueless twit.

More incompetent than Hackett or Anderson?

Let's ease up a bit here.

[General TSAR]

(Cracks knuckles)

 

They don't desire to die because they, at the very least, tried to correct their mistake. Granted they should have kept their civilians safe and away from combat.

 

3. The Quarians killed many of their own people who rejected the notion that the Geth needed to be destroyed

 

 

 

And yet support for unplugging the toasters increased, wonder why that is. 

[Barquiel]

I welcome fresh eyes to the franchise. And I was rather pretty pleased with how the new writers handled story telling, choices and the squadmates in the Omega DLC.

[RiptideX1090]

I welcome fresh eyes to the franchise. And I was rather pretty pleased with how the new writers handled story telling, choices and the squadmates in the Omega DLC.

 

Agreed. I'd love some fresh takes on the series. Fresh blood sounds good.

[Mordokai]

More incompetent than Hackett or Anderson?

Let's ease up a bit here.

 

At least they never sent civilians into the meatgrinder.

[Han Shot First]

More incompetent than Hackett or Anderson?

Let's ease up a bit here.

 

By far.

 

The Quarian Admirals know a war with the Reapers are coming, and yet they choose that exact moment to launch a risky and potentially disastrous invasion of Geth space. What is there to gain from capturing Rannoch, if the Reapers are going to annihilate everyone on that world shortly after you liberate it? That is easily the largest strategic blunder made by any character in the series. 

 

Koris is the only one out of the bunch with a brain. Xen is completely mad, Shala'Raan is weak, and Han'Gerrel is a great blundering oaf.