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[SporkFu]

 There was no reason for his death. If the console on the ground is able to detect a problem up in the shroud, then why couldn't it fix it on the ground? It just seemed like Bioware was looking for a way to kill off the ME2 characters.

 

Look at Thane for example. Why couldn't Bioware just have Kai Leng get up and run away after been knocked to the ground? At least with that, Thane could have been present for the Citadel party.

I completely agree about Thane. I didn't even like the guy all that much, and I thought his character was treated poorly in ME3. Good scenes, though. The Kai Leng fight started off well, at least. 

[Dale]

Why did Saren need the beacon on Eden Prime? He already had an identical one on Virmire. So all this did was get him kicked out of the Spectres. If he'd just waited he could have just tooled around in that giant warship, then when he was good and indoctrinated taken a shuttle to the Citadel, waited for the geth to attack, walked up to the Council Chambers, and opened the Citadel for Sovereign.

 

No one asks Saren about that giant warship he's tooling around in.

I never could understand that logic either Julia,

 

What's the point of going to Ilos to warp back into the Citadel?   Why not just BE THERE when the invasion happens (you know: have a cup of tea at the Presidium) -- then when the Citadel arms close, just waltz up to the council meeting area and do what's necessary.   Vigil did give Shep something that would throw a monky wrench into the plans -- but the "conduit" was just convenient transportation.   Maybe I'm not seeing something. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

 There was no reason for his death. If the console on the ground is able to detect a problem up in the shroud, then why couldn't it fix it on the ground? It just seemed like Bioware was looking for a way to kill off the ME2 characters.

 

Look at Thane for example. Why couldn't Bioware just have Kai Leng get up and run away after been knocked to the ground? At least with that, Thane could have been present for the Citadel party.

 

Character arc closures, I don't have too much of a problem with them. Thane, an assassin, dies saving a life from an assassin. There's lot's of little things bringing his character arc full circle. Speaking of Thane though here's a minor change for his death:

 

The hall where Thane and the Salarian counselor are one of those open C-Sec chambers that are accessed to via those long glass elevators. Shepard and friends enter the elevator and beginning riding it down to where Thane and the counselor are. They see the Drell finishing off a few Cerberus mooks. He looks up and sees Shepard riding down. Shepard gives a cool nod of approval while Thane is clearly showing signs of excursion due to his deteriorating health. Suddenly, a laser shines on the Salarian counselor and Thane has one of his recalls while he takes the bullet for the Counselor. Shepard briefly sees Kai Leng far away, dropping the sniper rifle and leaving his sniper perch. Shepard gets to the bottom, has a similar conversation to the one in game, then chases after Kai Leng. The chase Kai Leng gameplay has very little combat, instead relying on a more platforming like experience as Shepard and friends race through the Presidium.

[Dale]

In ME1 have the Asari councilor mind meld with Shepard after Eden Prime

Now that is a cool idea.   I wonder if she'd think Shep was on LSD.

[themikefest]

Now that is a cool idea.   I wonder if she'd think Shep was on LSD.

The Asari certainly were on LSD for not revealing the artifact earlier.

[SporkFu]

Not LSD... Hanar mindfish. 

[Dale]

Shepard and your squadmates consistently using the wrong guns in cutscenes is a minor thing that always annoyed me more than it should...

Yes -- and very frustrating for me -- is the game automatically changing weapons at the start of a new mission.   As such, I ALWAYS have to RE-select my usual weapon & ammo.   Even more is when you pick up a weapon (ME2) it automatically changes your squadmates (including those not with you) to use that weapon (if they use that TYPE of weapon) -- ie: SMG.

[Display Name Owner]

I kind of missed being able to choose facial scarring on our custom Sheps. I reckon it would have been cool to be able to keep doing that with the glowy scars. I liked having some of them without going lava-face-Terminator. My main Shep happened to have the right Para-Rene balance to keep the scarring at a good level, but still I wouldn't mind just choosing the look and not having to worry about what your alignment did.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'm ripping the story to shreds with "The Misadventures of Darya Shepard."  This will soon be a power point presentation.

[Gladerunner]

 

Gladerunner,

Thanks for your thoughtful & creative insights and TIME spent in your post.

 

Thanks for the reply too. I watched the How It Should Have Ended for Mass Effect 3, and it only scratched the surface.

 

 

Excellent point!  I also wondered why Harbinger didn’t fire on the SR2 at the ending of ME3.   Then it finally hit me at 3am:  Harbinger’s weapons and targeting system was a flaky Windows operating system that crashed & had to reboot then.   Alternatively, what kept the mile-high supersquid suspended was a Mac operating system.  Dang!   Why didn’t I think of it before?   

They probably didn't think it was an issue hundreds of millions of years ago, when they indoctrinated the equivalents of Microsoft and Apple. Then they remembered Indoctrination lowers brain function, and were left with the equivalent of Vista.

 

Yes -- Kaiden pointed this out when he talked with Shep and said (more or less) “I can’t see why the Council – that should be ON TOP of all this – is acting so ignorant and defiant”.   In retrospect, you’d think the Council was indoctrinated.   Just think about it – you send a proven, trusted veracious, & intelligent specialist (Shep) to investigate – then dismiss what he discovers as nonsense and tell him he made it all up.   I’ve gone back to my original post, last bullet (Vorcha Bubble Gum Machine) and added 3 entries:

 

Shepard really should have gotten a GoPro. With all that (mostly) unquestionable video footage and audio, he'd have a little more credibility on his side.

 

Most people with a gun or omnitool can afford a GoPro I think. Or at least a Requisition form.

 

ME3:
 

Yep – with all those big GUNS that Garrus was calibrating, looks like SR2 would have really participated & got shot up like ME2.

 

Wait... did the Normandy ever fire it's main cannons? Or was that missile barrage at the end of the Tutorial all it did?

Yes – my thoughts exactly!   Second, after all this time – why did the tower come crashing down?  The fight was not around the foundation of the tower.

 

Maybe due to the Thresher Maw and Reaper Kaiju battle, and the tremors. Surely they could have picked a better spot to build it on though.

 

As Nilus was “observing” Shep on Eden Prime, the 3 were sharing popcorn “observing” the terminally ill Thane do his Kung Fu maneuver.  You see -- since Kai had a SWORD... projectile & other advanced weapons were “unfair” & politically incorrect to use.

 

Yeah... you know what? If only Shepard could pick those up as trophies. Wear a suit of armor made from them. He'd have more plot armor than usual.

Rannoch:

Megaditto!   I think the SR2 was now Anderson’s ship (or Hackett’s?).   Anyway, he didn’t want the SR2’s paint job scratched when this was all over.

 

To think we spent resources on improving it's armor and barriers, when it's really just window dressing.

When I saw Kai’s gunship “riding off into the sunset”, my immediate thought is – that’s not a space faring vehicle – so it MUST dock with one that is.   So WHERE is the Normandy during all this? 

 

I mean, the Kodiak shuttle has FTL (back in ME2 at least). Gunship probably did too, but that makes it the best damn gunship in the whole of Mass Effect.

The Ending:

Interesting thoughts on the ending.  For fun, players need to work the game.   In practicality, if the Reapers have harvested so many advanced civilizations and acquired their technology – you’d think that superquids coming down and shooting up the place with lasers is ridiculously inefficient considering the BILL-yuns of planets involved.   Instead, fire one super weapon at a planet that does the job in a FEW MOMENTS (ie: destroy the atmosphere).

 

Yeah. You'd also think the Reapers, whose intent is to harvest species wouldn't blow them up with WMD's.

 

That line of dialogue from T'soni was garbage. She should be questioning her own pathetic government for not revealing the artifact earlier. What would the Alliance of done? More than likely they would be killed as well with the amount of reapers in the area. Had the Asari asked earlier, there might of been a chance to help evacuate. But no. The Asari only cared about themselves and being number 1 and when the reapers came knocking on their backdoor, the Asari cried like little babies to Shepard and finally revealed their precious artifact

 

This is what I posted about Mordin being saved  on the first page

 

Instead of Mordin/Padok having to go up the shroud to fix the problem, have them fix it on the ground using the console in front of them so they can live instead of dying when curing the genophage. And if you want to sabotage the genophage, just have Shepard tell them to get away from the console or shoot Mordin/Padok via an interrupt

 

It's not complete garbage though. Shepard has his own frigate, and in it, two shuttles, both with heavy weapons and turrets. Perhaps they get killed trying to help save the galaxy, but for the most part, Normandy's arsenal is seriously underplayed. Even if there is a shortage of squaddies to pilot it, surely the untitled NPC's on the ship do something.

 

And yes, Mordin/Padok wouldn't need to go up in that scenario. I suppose it's equally contrived that there is a mechanical fault that restricts repair from the bottom level, but I'd like to assume the Salarians that sabotaged it actually did a proper job. 

[themikefest]

It's not complete garbage though. Shepard has his own frigate, and in it, two shuttles, both with heavy weapons and turrets. Perhaps they get killed trying to help save the galaxy, but for the most part, Normandy's arsenal is seriously underplayed. Even if there is a shortage of squaddies to pilot it, surely the untitled NPC's on the ship do something.

It is garbage. She's trying to pass the blame onto the Alliance for her specie's failure to act quicker about revealing the artifact. She can't accept that her specie's messed up big time.

 

The Normandy couldn't do much with the amount of reapers in the area. The ship would've been destroyed along with the 2 shuttles giving a game over screen.

 

I do agree that I would like to see the Normandy use its Thannix Cannon in the game, but unfortunately, its not available in an ME3 default playthrough. It's an ugrade that can be obtained in ME2 through Garrus.

[Gladerunner]

It is garbage. She's trying to pass the blame onto the Alliance for her specie's failure to act quicker about revealing the artifact. She can't accept that her specie's messed up big time.

 

Well... yes. However, the Alliance had squandered the Mars Archives in pretty much the same way. All Cerberus managed to scavenge from the Derelict Reaper was one IFF. Hell, even the Batarians misused the Leviathan of Dis.

 

The only race that actually took the threat seriously was the Geth. The Dreadnought they built was likely to match a Reaper.

 

 

Sherlock mystery solved (earlier):  supersquid’s Windows operating system crashed & had to reboot then.

 

 

Actually, maybe it was the Reaper IFF. Despite knowing the Normandy is the arch enemy, EDI masquerading as a Reaper might confuse them for the necessary minute or two.

[RiouHotaru]

The ever present "Why doesn't Harbinger fire on the Normandy during the evac scene" never actually puzzled me.  In fact, the answer seemed fairly elementary.  Harbinger's purpose is to prevent any and all of Hammer's forces from reaching the beam.  Anything firing on him (since the gunships aren't trying to reach the beam but ARE firing on him) becomes a target.  I mean, even before the evac, the two Makos provide from and back cover for Shepard to call for evac, and not ONCE is this position shot at, which would be a perfect opportunity right there.

 

To me that confirms that Harbinger has a set of priorities.  The Normandy would've become a target if it got any closer or shot at Harbinger, but it didn't.  Notice how, when the Normandy is leaving after picking them up, Harbinger follows the Normandy but doesn't shoot.  Also, while the pickup is taking place, Hammer forces are STILL charging the beam.  It could also be a case of Harbinger not being able to spare a weapon system to slice through the Normandy when targets are still attempting to make the beam, since that would be a primary priority.

[Barquiel]

Now that is a cool idea.   I wonder if she'd think Shep was on LSD.

As much as I wanted to embrace eternity with Tevos I'm not sure if it would have made a difference. I think the council does not doubt that Shepard has visions. But they doubt Shepards interpretation of the visions. They aren't exactly clear (especially without the cipher)...and they don't prove the existence of the Reapers or their intention to attack either. For all she knew, Shepard had just discovered the equivalent of a Prothean disaster movie and mistook it for a genuine historical record.

[themikefest]

I do believe it would've made a difference if Shepard mind melded the Asari councilor. Tevos knows the Asari are the leading folks in studying the Protheans and may send a team or a scholar to checkout the area where the beacon was found just to follow up what Shepard saw and what Tevos saw after the meld.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Well... yes. However, the Alliance had squandered the Mars Archives in pretty much the same way. All Cerberus managed to scavenge from the Derelict Reaper was one IFF. Hell, even the Batarians misused the Leviathan of Dis.

 

The only race that actually took the threat seriously was the Geth. The Dreadnought they built was likely to match a Reaper.

 

Um, how did the Batarians misuse Leviathan of Dis exactly? Didn't their studies into it lead to their best minds being indoctrinated and basically the downfall of Batarian civilisation?

[Farangbaa]

Picking up random Asari in bars saying you'd like to 'embrace eternity' with them should totally have been in the game.

 

Including the follow up open hand slap in the face.

[Gladerunner]

Um, how did the Batarians misuse Leviathan of Dis exactly? Didn't their studies into it lead to their best minds being indoctrinated and basically the downfall of Batarian civilisation?

 

Is there any right way to use a Reaper corpse?

[KrrKs]

There are so many things I would have done or said differently (or would like the chance to do differently) that I can't even remember a third of them...

Some of them have already been mentioned, however there are a few nitpicks I want to state my headcanon on:

 

Why did Saren need the beacon on Eden Prime? He already had an identical one on Virmire.

It is unclear when exactly he got the one on Virmire. It is just as likely that the Virmire beacon was found (somewhere else) after the attack on Eden Prime.

 

What's the point of going to Ilos to warp back into the Citadel?   Why not just BE THERE when the invasion happens (you know: have a cup of tea at the Presidium) -- then when the Citadel arms close, just waltz up to the council meeting area and do what's necessary.

According to Wrex the Tower is full of security forces -even if you don't see them.

So Saren alone could not have reached the main control and let Sovereing into the system. Well, he would have reached the main control, but I doubt the security would have let him play with some ominous buttons while the station is under attack*

So he needs an armed force to do that. Without the conduit the only other way is from the docking bays. Accompanied by an armed force composed of Geth and/or Krogans, fighting would likely start even before reaching the presidium, leading to the shutdown of the tower- elevator.

The conduit allows him to arrive with a large force directly at the presidium and use the elevator before anyone knows what is happening.

 

*Of course, with the general inability of the council and C-sec shown in the games, yep the conduit was completely unnecessary.

 

Wait... did the Normandy ever fire it's main cannons? Or was that missile barrage at the end of the Tutorial all it did?

The Normandy also fired these bombs on the Reaper in Priority:Rannoch. Normandy also destroyed at least two Occuli during the Cutscene over earth, right before Shepard boards the shuttle to London.

Presumly she also fought ships during the Grissom-Academy and Geth Dreadnought missions as well as during Rannoch and London missions. Maybe even during the Thessia mission, that would explain why she was unable to reach Kai Leng's Mantis in time.

 

 

Is there any right way to use a Reaper corpse?

To be honest, the Batarians didn't know it was a reaper or that it could indoctrinate people.

If I found an ancient starship I sure as hell would poke around and try to salvage systems...

[birefringent]

Quarian Geth peace without needing Tali at all. Tali should only be a bonus that would make the process a bit easier.

 

Legion as a requirement is understandable since he gets to experience working with organics in ME2.

 

If you pay attention to the quarian admirals during ME3 (just ignoring the obvious stuff from ME2), they start having second thoughts about fighting the geth. Even Xen will say that she should never have backed Han'Gerrel.

 

Koris has always been in favor of peace, and Raan is simply too scared to stand up to Han'Gerrel on her own.

 

Gerrel is the only one who is really into the war. It would be nice if it had been possible to convince the other 3 admirals to tell Han'Gerrel to just shut up. Tell him to stop, or have him accused of treason, or something. Hell, let him get exiled

 

They could have done a lot more sidequests that would require the player to really work to get the admirals to see the error of their ways. That one unused questline with admiral Xen would've been great for this purpose.

[SporkFu]

As much as I wanted to embrace eternity with Tevos I'm not sure if it would have made a difference.

Would have been a night she never forgot, amirite? 

[FOX216BC]

Well  i mentioned it in a other topic before i saw this one.

The Virmire survivor should have been abducted by the collectors.

And be amongst the few ones who Shepard saves at the end of ME2.

Or even fails to save depending on your playthrough, choices, team status.

That's a minor change to ME2

Add some dialogue and scenes and it's done.

 

It would mean alot of tweaking to ME3 i suppose

[Larry-3]

I never seen the purpose in nearly killing Shepard. It did not add to the story nor would it have changed anything. I would have let Shepard get into the escape pod, have it crash on a beach world. Your first mission would be to round up surviers, and then help construct a beacon. The screen would go black and say five months later. You and your love interest would have torn and dirty clothes, and a passing Cerberus ships finds you. The Cerberus people will say that Mr. Illusive has been searching for you and the Alliance gave up on you. After you and your team say their goodbyes you meet Mr. Illusive and everything else would happen along similar lines.

[Farangbaa]

I never seen the purpose in nearly killing Shepard. It did not add to the story nor would it have changed anything. I would have let Shepard get into the escape pod, have it crash on a beach world. Your first mission would be to round up surviers, and then help construct a beacon. The screen would go black and say five months later. You and your love interest would have torn and dirty clothes, and a passing Cerberus ships finds you. The Cerberus people will say that Mr. Illusive has been searching for you and the Alliance gave up on you. After you and your team say their goodbyes you meet Mr. Illusive and everything else would happen along similar lines.

 

Sole Survivor Shepard would kill every one on that ship

[themikefest]

Instead of changing, I would add a scene showing the Asari fighting the reapers above Thessia like we see the Turians fighting the reapers when going to Menae.