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[Vazgen]

That's only if you let it. You have to take your mind off things. If you don't, bad stuff tends to happen. In between missions just sit back and relax, talk with folks about anything but the war, and if possible, do some type of activity that will releease that stress. Keeping it bottled up will effect a soldiers performance.

Assuming you don't have such missions every day. A soldier can break after one mission, having them constantly along with the responsibility for the entire galaxy... It's a wonder Shepard doesn't end up like that asari in the hospital.

[themikefest]

Assuming you don't have such missions every day. A soldier can break after one mission, having them constantly along with the responsibility for the entire galaxy... It's a wonder Shepard doesn't end up like that asari in the hospital.

Incorrect. If Shepard were to breakdown after one mission, then why is he/she on the Normandy? Who would replace him/her? She/he would be useless. Even if you have missions everyday, there's time between missions to relax to calm yourself down.

 

People manage stress in different ways, and when you're in the military, you find ways to get rid of it. If not, you won't go on missions. At that point, you're a liability until you can get that stress under control.

[Vazgen]

Incorrect. If Shepard were to breakdown after one mission, then why is he/she on the Normandy? Who would replace him/her? She/he would be useless. Even if you have missions everyday, there's time between missions to relax to calm yourself down.

People manage stress in different ways, and when you're in the military, you find ways to get rid of it. If not, you won't go on missions. At that point, you're a liability until you can get that stress under control.

It's precisely the reason why he's on the Normandy. Because he can keep it under control. But no one can prepare for such a war. People are dying by millions, every second he wastes is felt by the whole galatic society. And when he gets the chance to complete the Crucible and end this - he fails, personally, due to the lack of skill or underestimating the opponent or not being prepared... It's the first time in Shepard's military career when his skills don't get him out of mess. And that personal failure leads to more depths, including the asari who trusted their lives to him.

(I constantly refer to Shepard as a male, hope you don't mind, it's easier for me to write down my thoughts that way)

[themikefest]

 

It's precisely the reason why he's on the Normandy. Because he can keep it under control. But no one can prepare for such a war. People are dying by millions, every second he wastes is felt by the whole galatic society. And when he gets the chance to complete the Crucible and end this - he fails, personally, due to the lack of skill or underestimating the opponent or not being prepared... It's the first time in Shepard's military career when his skills don't get him out of mess. And that personal failure leads to more depths, including the asari who trusted their lives to him.

(I constantly refer to Shepard as a male, hope you don't mind, it's easier for me to write down my thoughts that way)

You can prepare for the war.At least mentally. Shepard knew what the reapers do. Shepard shouldn't worry about things he/she has no control over. Basically suck it up, princess, as Traynor says, and continue to move forward, but when stupid crap happens, like the Asari waiting till the last minute to reveal the artifact, it makes things that more frustrating.

 

Shepard did not fail, he/she failed due to stupidity on the part of the Asari. Those Asari lives were not Shepard's responsililty, that is on the Asari themselves for failing to reveal the artifact earlier. Again. Had the Asari revealed that artifact earlier, a lot of lives could've/would've been saved

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

This thing after Thessia is a "trope" that has been used many many times. Shepard has been carrying the load of the entire galaxy on her shoulders. The mission failed. She doesn't have the catalyst. Cerberus does. The Illusive Man knew about the place. It's location was in the Mars Archives. Really, did we need the Asari government to tell us? "Or did your Shadow Broker miss that one?" -- It was plot. It was going to be missed anyway. So arguing over "if the Asari told us earlier it would have turned out different" is wrong. Cerberus would have been there anyway and in force. Oh the Asari military would be there? Doesn't matter. Kai Leng would be there with his invulnerable gunship, and The Illusive Man would have gotten Vendetta. Thessia would have fallen to the reapers when they invaded. It's just that it wouldn't have happened when Shepard was there trying to collect Vendetta.

 

Thessia, the homeworld to the most advanced race in the galaxy just fell like a house of cards, just like Earth. It doesn't matter. Shepard is not a machine. Everyone has their breaking point. Now Shepard reached theirs. The writers said so.

 

This was Shepards Blue Screen of Death moment. All is lost. How can we win now?

 

Followed by the "World of Cardboard Speech" which Shepard gave in the war room afterward. I'm back. No more defeats.

 

That was Shepard's Admiral Adama moment.

[themikefest]

The mission failed because the Asari failed to reveal the artifact earlier. Even if it was revealed earlier, the result may of turned out the same, but  at least their is a possibility to succeed. But no, Bioware wanted Shepard to act all sniffles for the Asari because of whatever. So in comes femshep's stunt double to mope and say sorry to the councilor for some stupid reason. After its revealed where Kai Leng headed to, my femshep appears and her stunt double disappears.

[Vazgen]

You can prepare for the war.At least mentally. Shepard knew what the reapers do. Shepard shouldn't worry about things he/she has no control over. Basically suck it up, princess, as Traynor says, and continue to move forward, but when stupid crap happens, like the Asari waiting till the last minute to reveal the artifact, it makes things that more frustrating.

Shepard did not fail, he/she failed due to stupidity on the part of the Asari. Those Asari lives were not Shepard's responsililty, that is on the Asari themselves for failing to reveal the artifact earlier. Again. Had the Asari revealed that artifact earlier, a lot of lives could've/would've been saved

We have no way of knowing what would've happened. We can only work with what we have. It doesn't change anything, Shepard failed because he was weak. Fight with Kai Leng was fair (Shepard had two squadmates, Kai Leng had a gunship that couldn't shoot straight) and he losed. He was beaten and lost all leads to Cerberus and Crucible. He had also betrayed the trust of the asari soldiers he met in the beginning.

[themikefest]

We have no way of knowing what would've happened. We can only work with what we have. It doesn't change anything, Shepard failed because he was weak. Fight with Kai Leng was fair (Shepard had two squadmates, Kai Leng had a gunship that couldn't shoot straight) and he losed. He was beaten and lost all leads to Cerberus and Crucible. He had also betrayed the trust of the asari soldiers he met in the beginning.

No. Shepard wasn't weak, the Asari were stupid in not revealing that thing until the last minute. They would never of revealed that thing if the reapers never went to Thessia. The Asari knew about the artifact and failed to reveal the thing. They only care about themselves and remaining #1 in the galaxy. The councilor even said they did not want to hurt the balance of power, but the reapers forced their hand.

[Gladerunner]

The mission failed because the Asari failed to reveal the artifact earlier. Even if it was revealed earlier, the result may of turned out the same, but  at least their is a possibility to succeed. But no, Bioware wanted Shepard to act all sniffles for the Asari because of whatever. So in comes femshep's stunt double to mope and say sorry to the councilor for some stupid reason. After its revealed where Kai Leng headed to, my femshep appears and her stunt double disappears.

 

Then this causes another set of plot changes.

 

Because Shepard diverts to Thessia earlier, the flashpoints on either Tuchanka or Rannoch proceed worse. Quite possibly, Shepard is absent for the entire Cerberus Coup, losing the Council and the Virmire Survivor.

 

If you lost nothing, then Shepard has no incentive to chase down the Illusive Man, whose work on Sanctuary continues unimpeded, with Miranda being killed. Shepard might not chase the Illusive Man to his secret base, leaving Cerberus free to co-ordinate additional attacks. You also wouldn't get the sexy Delumcore Overlay.

 

This is of course, supposition, but basically, cause and effect. Changing one thing changes another, not always for the best. 

[themikefest]

Why? Switch the Thessia mission and the coup mission that way Cerberus has a reason to take control of the Citadel. The only problem is Ashley/Kaidan. They would only be available for 2 missions before going to Earth.

[Gladerunner]

Why? Switch the Thessia mission and the coup mission that way Cerberus has a reason to take control of the Citadel. The only problem is Ashley/Kaidan. They would only be available for 2 missions before going to Earth.

 

Without Vendetta, they wouldn't know they needed the Citadel to control the Reapers. Perhaps they would still attack it for whatever reason they had, perhaps cover Udina (Myself thinking it's part of the Reaper's usual plan, attacking the seat of government at the Citadel).

 

Their priority would have been the Prothean VI. I think they would have assaulted the Normandy with a bait, to steal Vendetta back. Create some form of hostage situation between you giving them the VI,

 

That, or pull one out of nowhere just like Saren did. 

 

....Which makes me wonder how they understood it, without the Cipher. Perhaps they had a Prothean translation artifact, but Shepard had the possibility of scooping up pretty much every single one.

 

Ah. So many variables. And changing one creates so much tedium. 

[themikefest]

Without Vendetta, they wouldn't know they needed the Citadel to control the Reapers. Perhaps they would still attack it for whatever reason they had, perhaps cover Udina (Myself thinking it's part of the Reaper's usual plan, attacking the seat of government at the Citadel).

 

What do you mean without Vendetta? What's this about needing the Citadel to ciontrol the reapers? For one of the endings, sure.

 

The missions are switched, Cerberus gets the Vi and then after Shepard deal with the Quarians/Geth, Cerberus tries to take over the Citadel. It plays out the same as it does now. Traynor is still able to track Leng to Horizon. Everyone figures the Catalyst has something to do with the Citadel or something on the Citadel, but don't know what. Do Horizon. Do Chronos and then head to Earth after finding out the Citadel went to Earth. The only problem is that Ashley/Kaidan will be on the ship for only 2 missions before heading to Earth.

[sirus1988]

ME3 ending right after you choose to explode (red ending) the catalyst, Shepard jumps off the station and flips off harbinger as he/she makes his/her decent to Earth.. and then calls in the Normandy before it's too late.

 

ME1: during the elevator ride with Tali, have her start humming the elevator music that plays in the background. That would've been cute!

[Gladerunner]

What do you mean without Vendetta? What's this about needing the Citadel to ciontrol the reapers? For one of the endings, sure.
 
The missions are switched, Cerberus gets the Vi and then after Shepard deal with the Quarians/Geth, Cerberus tries to take over the Citadel. It plays out the same as it does now. Traynor is still able to track Leng to Horizon. Everyone figures the Catalyst has something to do with the Citadel or something on the Citadel, but don't know what. Do Horizon. Do Chronos and then head to Earth after finding out the Citadel went to Earth. The only problem is that Ashley/Kaidan will be on the ship for only 2 missions before heading to Earth.

This is all under the assumption that, if Shepard reaches the artifact before Cerberus, he get's the Prothean VI (Vendetta). Why change the mission order if nothing actually changes?

ME3 ending right after you choose to explode (red ending) the catalyst, Shepard jumps off the station and flips off harbinger as he/she makes his/her decent to Earth.. and then calls in the Normandy before it's too late.
 

Have fun breathing in space.

[themikefest]

This is all under the assumption that, if Shepard reaches the artifact before Cerberus, he get's the Prothean VI (Vendetta). Why change the mission order if nothing actually changes?
 

With the missions switched, it will explain why Cerberus wanted to take control of the Citadel.

[Vazgen]

No. Shepard wasn't weak, the Asari were stupid in not revealing that thing until the last minute. They would never of revealed that thing if the reapers never went to Thessia. The Asari knew about the artifact and failed to reveal the thing. They only care about themselves and remaining #1 in the galaxy. The councilor even said they did not want to hurt the balance of power, but the reapers forced their hand.

It doesn't matter what Asari had or hadn't done. Shepard faced Kai Leng head-on and he would've faced him that way even if the asari gave the information earlier. Kai Leng will wait for Shepard there at any point after Mars archives. And Shepard will be forced to fight him either without any hope for reinforcements (as in ME3) or waiting for them (like asari sending people to help). 

Shepard, along with two squadmates, got their a**es kicked by a dude with a sword. He was weak.

[von uber]

I think thessia has to be viewed from a "best place to start the series" viewpoint, in that a non import shep will be prodded towards liara as a friend and LI and thus 'should' have some investment in thessia and liara's reaction.

[themikefest]

It doesn't matter what Asari had or hadn't done. Shepard faced Kai Leng head-on and he would've faced him that way even if the asari gave the information earlier. Kai Leng will wait for Shepard there at any point after Mars archives. And Shepard will be forced to fight him either without any hope for reinforcements (as in ME3) or waiting for them (like asari sending people to help). 

Shepard, along with two squadmates, got their a**es kicked by a dude with a sword. He was weak.

I have no idea what Shepard would of faced if the Asari revealed that artifact earlier. Just like you have no idea if Kai Leng would be at Thessia had the artifact been revealed earlier. With the Asari revealing the artifact at the last minute, it took away that opportunity. At least with them revealing it earlier, they wouldn't come across as being selfish and wanted to help.

 

Shepard was not weak, Kai Leng had cutscene protection. In the fight, I would shoot him a couple of times and he would cry about needing to recharge his shields. Seems like he's the weak one.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I think thessia has to be viewed from a "best place to start the series" viewpoint, in that a non import shep will be prodded towards liara as a friend and LI and thus 'should' have some investment in thessia and liara's reaction.

 

Mass Effect 3 was the only place to start.

[Mordokai]

It doesn't matter what Asari had or hadn't done. Shepard faced Kai Leng head-on and he would've faced him that way even if the asari gave the information earlier. Kai Leng will wait for Shepard there at any point after Mars archives. And Shepard will be forced to fight him either without any hope for reinforcements (as in ME3) or waiting for them (like asari sending people to help).

 

You're new here(at least judging by the number of posts), so I'm going to give you a friendly advice. Nothing you say will ever convince mike anything good came from asari. Might as well save yourself some time.

 

Shepard, along with two squadmates, got their a**es kicked by a dude with a sword. He was weak.

 

This, however, I object to. It was a clear case of the plot shield on KL's side. I made him retreat and call for air support in fifteen seconds or less. Or Insanity. So don't tell me Shepard and company were the weak ones here.

 

In this instance, the said shield was so powerful it was extended to a damn gunship.

[themikefest]

You're new here(at least judging by the number of posts), so I'm going to give you a friendly advice. Nothing you say will ever convince mike anything good came from asari. Might as well save yourself some time.

 

Usually when I post someone's name and not their character name, I use uppercase for their name. example. Sara, not sara.

 

And you can't accept that had the Asari revealed the artifact earlier, a lot of lives could've/would've been saved.

[Vazgen]

You're new here(at least judging by the number of posts), so I'm going to give you a friendly advice. Nothing you say will ever convince mike anything good came from asari. Might as well save yourself some time.

 

 

This, however, I object to. It was a clear case of the plot shield on KL's side. I made him retreat and call for air support in fifteen seconds or less. Or Insanity. So don't tell me Shepard and company were the weak ones here.

 

In this instance, the said shield was so powerful it was extended to a damn gunship.

Haha, OK

I'm not trying to convince anyone that asari did the right thing (in fact, their reluctant state in the whole game is somewhat infuriating). My point is that in the setting of the game, Shepard's view of the mission as failure is logical.

The plot shield is there, sure, but we can't really do something about it. In the context of the plot and writing, Kai Leng has beaten Shepard. The plot may be bad, or writing can be sub-par but it's what we're stuck with. I've chosen to find an explanation to Shepard's sad state after asari homeworld's destruction and it makes sense to me. Mike seems to prefer breaking roleplay for these few moments of sadness, and it's fine by me

[themikefest]

Haha, OK

I'm not trying to convince anyone that asari did the right thing (in fact, their reluctant state in the whole game is somewhat infuriating). My point is that in the setting of the game, Shepard's view of the mission as failure is logical.

The plot shield is there, sure, but we can't really do something about it. In the context of the plot and writing, Kai Leng has beaten Shepard. The plot may be bad, or writing can be sub-par but it's what we're stuck with. I've chosen to find an explanation to Shepard's sad state after asari homeworld's destruction and it makes sense to me. Mike seems to prefer breaking roleplay for these few moments of sadness, and it's fine by me

You seem to believe that every Shepard has to feel sadness for the loss.

 

The way I play my femshep, she would just shrug it off, and continue moving forward. Just because one doesn't show sadness doesn't mean they aren't. They're just good at hiding it. But for some reason, Bioware wanted Shepard to look sad about what happened.. So they switched my femshep with a stunt double, and get that sad scene. There are some scenes and dialogue in the game my femshep, the one I had in ME1/ME2, would never say or do.

 

I have to remember, the 3rd game of a trilogy is the place to start.

[Livi14]

As a minor thing, it bothered me that my Shepard couldn't hug Liara after Thessia. The other scenes were fine.