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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But then they saw how great life was with Reaper upgrades, and said, "We want this! Reaper upgrades for us. Reaper tech is wonderful!"

[KaiserShep]

But then they saw how great life was with Reaper upgrades, and said, "We want this! Reaper upgrades for us. Reaper tech is wonderful!"

 

Geth program 10: OMG, I'm totally thinking abstract thoughts without programs 11 through 4,653. I'm flying in my own consensus, b*tches!

 

Geth program 9: I feel so good for some reason.

 

Geth program 15: Ch'yah! I need more of this code. I can't get enough of this sh*t.

[Iakus]

But then they saw how great life was with Reaper upgrades, and said, "We want this! Reaper upgrades for us. Reaper tech is wonderful!"

Actually what happened was Legion alone who went "Reaper code!  "Om nom nom!"

 

 'Cause hypocrisy is cool now!

[DeinonSlayer]

That was the geth as controlled by Saren, or rather, that portion of the Geth. And Legion outright states in ME2 they're just keeping Rannoch clean and waiting for their Creators to come back and try to peacefully settle differences.

Which will never happen if the Geth consistently kill anyone who approaches to open a dialogue and can't even be bothered to disown the heretic's actions for two years after the attack on the Citadel. And Legion never says it was cleaned up in preparation for their return, that's a position frequently projected onto them because people wanted it to be true circa ME2. He asked Shepard why they were doing it because they didn't even know, and the explanation (which Legion concurs with) is that it's a memorial.

By the way, the heretics were never "controlled" by either Saren or Sovereign - they weren't indoctrinated; they freely chose to ally with them.

The Quarians destroyed the Dyson Sphere thing the Geth were building anyway. It was the Quarians who fired the first shot, and initiated conflict. Same during the Morning War.

Just because they lost the War doesn't make them victims.

Just because one side fires the first shot does not excuse any and all actions taken by the other in retaliation. No one denies the Quarians fired the first shot, but the Geth became the aggressors when their "self-defense" morphed into a campaign of genocide which claimed 99% of the Quarian species - a policy which extended to every organic they encountered in their space for the next three hundred years.

[RiouHotaru]

Which will never happen if the Geth consistently kill anyone who approaches to open a dialogue and can't even be bothered to disown the heretic's actions for two years after the attack on the Citadel. And Legion never says it was cleaned up in preparation for their return, that's a position frequently projected onto them because people wanted it to be true circa ME2. He asked Shepard why they were doing it because they didn't even know, and the explanation (which Legion concurs with) is that it's a memorial.

By the way, the heretics were never "controlled" by either Saren or Sovereign - they weren't indoctrinated; they freely chose to ally with them.

Just because one side fires the first shot does not excuse any and all actions taken by the other in retaliation. No one denies the Quarians fired the first shot, but the Geth became the aggressors when their "self-defense" morphed into a campaign of genocide which claimed 99% of the Quarian species - a policy which extended to every organic they encountered in their space for the next three hundred years.

1) The thing is, as ME2 makes clear, the heretics were free to decide what path they took, the rest of the geth just wanted to observe and watch organics.  That they didn't speak out about the actions of the heretics until ME2 is simply because no one bothered to ask.  Everyone saw the actions of the heretics and assumed this to be standard MO for all geth.

 

2) Okay, controlled was a bad word.  "Influenced", then.  Sovereign was a godlike being to the heretics, something they aspired to become.

 

3) What genocide?  As soon as the Quarians fled Rannoch the Geth stopped hunting them, end of story.  That the geth counterattack during the Morning War overwhelmed the Quarians is not the Geth's fault.  And again, you're applying this malicious trait to the entirety of the geth when canon tells us that action extended to ONLY the Heretics.

[DeinonSlayer]

1) The thing is, as ME2 makes clear, the heretics were free to decide what path they took, the rest of the geth just wanted to observe and watch organics. That they didn't speak out about the actions of the heretics until ME2 is simply because no one bothered to ask. Everyone saw the actions of the heretics and assumed this to be standard MO for all geth.

2) Okay, controlled was a bad word. "Influenced", then. Sovereign was a godlike being to the heretics, something they aspired to become.

3) What genocide? As soon as the Quarians fled Rannoch the Geth stopped hunting them, end of story. That the geth counterattack during the Morning War overwhelmed the Quarians is not the Geth's fault. And again, you're applying this malicious trait to the entirety of the geth when canon tells us that action extended to ONLY the Heretics.

1) The standard Geth (not heretic, mind you - geth) MO has been to ignore all hails and kill any organic which crossed their path on sight for centuries. This is according to the books, ME1 dialogue, the ME2/3 map description of Haestrom, the codex entry on Geth culture, etc. in case you didn't notice. If you want a better idea of their baseline mindset, don't look at Legion - look at the Geth VI. Legion represents a behavioral change as recent as the last six months when his experiences were disseminated to the consensus upon his return. They're a lot less cuddly without that.

2) Religiously motivated or no, the heretics had full control of their faculties, and remain responsible for the course of action they chose to take - as do the mainline Geth in propping up their feet and watching the slaughter their brethren committed from a distance.

3) That was the exact descriptor Drew used. "The Quarians had neither the numbers nor the ability to stand against their former servants. In a short but savage war their entire society was wiped out. Only a few million survivors - less than one percent of their entire population - escaped the genocide, refugees forced to live in exile." (ME: Revelation). The heretics didn't exist as an entity separate from the mainline Geth until Saren approached them on board Sovereign, centuries after the Morning War. The Geth killed everyone who couldn't evacuate, and maintained their "no organics" policy for the following centuries by killing all emissaries sent to make contact with them afterwards.

[Farangbaa]

Peace shouldn't have been an option.

[Sir DeLoria]

I wanted to say something, but Deinon already said everything important

[von uber]

Killing 99% of a population is actually quite hard to do unless you systematically hunt out and exterminate every single being.
It's quite an intensive and emotionally damaging thing to do for participants.. unless you are an emotionless robot of course.

[SporkFu]

Killing 99% of a population is actually quite hard to do unless you systematically hunt out and exterminate every single being.
It's quite an intensive and emotionally damaging thing to do for participants.. unless you are an emotionless robot of course.

Time isn't a factor for the geth, either. I wonder if, in a post-synthesis world, each geth might look back on those old time-stamped data logs and feel anything about any of it. 

[Farangbaa]

Time isn't a factor for the geth, either. I wonder if, in a post-synthesis world, each geth might look back on those old time-stamped data logs and feel anything about any of it. 

 

[Oni Changas]

Well, Denion laid out what I was gonna say lol.

[ZipZap2000]

Legions loyalty mission dialogue.

 

That is all.