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[LobselVith8]

See, I can 100% see Solas only being down for Elves. Not humans or dwarves or qunari.  Everyone seems to think he'll be anti-dwarf lovin.... but I honestly can't see any elf really being OKAY with boning anyone who isn't themselves an elf, for the very fundamental reason that elf/non-elf babies either don't exist, or take on racial properties of the non-elf partner.

 

City Elves are less hung up on it then Dalish are, but even they would struggle with it a bit. Anyone would.

 

I don't think the city elves are less hung up on it; the arranged marriages are about maintaining the elven population, and Soris is ostracized by humans and elves in one of the Epilogues because he has a human wife (which causes him to leave with his wife).

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

People thought Gaider or any other dev said the remaining options are the gated ones, and Gaider answered to them "weird thing for me to say since it isn't true". It sound's as if it's noch true, that the last LI's are race gated so it'd be weird for him to claim something like this.

As I have said it could of been nothing more than PR talk, the fan base could of guessed it right and they would never admit it, especially if its something they haven't officially confirmed. Its bad marketing to do that, Bioware is known for beating around the bush as have other game developers. I have seen game developers play the deny game and then later confirm the exact same thing the fans had guessed. Happens all the time. Would explain why they are taking so long to announce the last 2 and makes you wonder if one of the already announced LIs are race gated why not go ahead and announce it and get the backlash over with. Gut feeling tells me its the last 2 and until they are announced I'll stick with that. 

[jdgjordan]

Well did the info of having 2 race gated loves come in before or after it was told Iorn Bull will now be for anyone(he was supposed to be gated but they did the extra mile and changed that) case if it came before then that might mean they just said screw it and made the other one that was supposed to be race gated for every one.

[Kimberly]

Me, I would bet that one of the already confirmed LIs is race gated.

[LiaraShepard]

As I have said it could of been nothing more than PR talk, the fan base could of guessed it right and they would never admit it, especially if its something they haven't officially confirmed. Its bad marketing to do that, Bioware is known for beating around the bush as have other game developers. I have seen game developers play the deny game and then later confirm the exact same thing the fans had guessed. Happens all the time. Would explain why they are taking so long to announce the last 2 and makes you wonder if one of the already announced LIs are race gated why not go ahead and announce it and get the backlash over with. Gut feeling tells me its the last 2 and until they are announced I'll stick with that. 

 

hm okay...I don't know if they would say something that's not true. But I wouldn't have a problem with the remaining options being the race gated ones. it would give us two straight, two homosexual, two bisexual and two (bisexual) race gated options. sounds fair to me.

[Kimberly]

Race gating was confirmed before IB was confirmed as a LI. A dev said there were originally 3 race gated LIs until they changed IB.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

hm okay...I don't know if they would say something that's not true. But I wouldn't have a problem with the remaining options being the race gated ones. it would give us two straight, two homosexual, two bisexual and two (bisexual) race gated options. sounds fair to me.

Bioware did it when they said ME 3's MP wouldn't affect SP, yes different team but it still happened, just as an example off the top of my head

[jdgjordan]

Race gating was confirmed before IB was confirmed as a LI. A dev said there were originally 3 race gated LIs until they changed IB.

So maybe the changed the other 2.

[LiaraShepard]

Race gating was confirmed before IB was confirmed as a LI. A dev said there were originally 3 race gated LIs until they changed IB.

 

well, I believe IB was originally gated against dwarfs (and maybe elves)...but if already one companion was planned to be gated against dwarfs it would mean the other race gated characters are more likely to be gated against any other race bot not dwarfs....or am I wrong?

[Kimberly]

well, I believe IB was originally gated against dwarfs (and maybe elves)...but if already one companion was planned to be gated against dwarfs it would mean the other race gated characters are more likely to be gated against any other race bot not dwarfs....or am I wrong?

Not sure who IB was gated against, but when JEpler was tweeting about it, it seemed like it was dwarves. So if dwarves were out for IB, it would make sense to gate the other 2 against the rest. DG said it would be fair on sexuality, but not on races. So who knows who they have the 2 gated against.

[LiaraShepard]

Bioware did it when they said ME 3's MP wouldn't affect SP, yes different team but it still happened, just as an example off the top of my head

 

well okay, good point, but maybe they originally planned to create the MP without reference to the SP and changed their mind to a subsequent date?

[LiaraShepard]

Not sure who IB was gated against, but when JEpler was tweeting about it, it seemed like it was dwarves. So if dwarves were out for IB, it would make sense to gate the other 2 against the rest. DG said it would be fair on sexuality, but not on races. So who knows how they have the 2 gated against.

 

well, If there were three race gated characters and IB was one of them and gated against dwarfs, I think it'd be over the top to block dwarfs against other characters as well. I don't believe Bioware would be so cruel to a specific race. So maybe Cullen isn't really gated against dwarfs as some people may think....and it would mean Solas isn't gated against them either. But hell, I'm not sure at all. 

[Mistic]

I keep seeing people nominating Cullen despite being one of the few with confirmed extraspecies tendencies (ask Surana).

 

I've seen his criticism about dwarves and Qunari, but what I've seen has to do much more with them being heathens than with them being non-humans. Yet people don't say that he is religion-gated and that he will only romance female Inquisitors that are definitely Andrastian without caring about race, despite having the same amount of proof.

[Who Knows]

They said they aren't concerned about every race/gender/sexuality combination having equal options as long as every race/gender/sexuality/combination has at least 2 options.

So yes, of the remaining racegated love interests, one or both could be gated against dwarves/etc.

[AresKeith]

Bioware did it when they said ME 3's MP wouldn't affect SP, yes different team but it still happened, just as an example off the top of my head

 

As you just said, different teams

[Kimberly]

Yep it's all speculation until confirmation from a dev. Maybe someone has guessed right. If that's the case I'm sure there will be some "I told ya so" going around. I kinda hope one of the race gated LIs reasons is for something nobody would have guessed. A WTF moment. Maybe that's just me. I don't really care about the race gating. If I need to switch races to romance someone I have my heart set on, I will.

[LiaraShepard]

They said they aren't concerned about every race/gender/sexuality combination having equal options as long as every race/gender/sexuality/combination has at least 2 options.

So yes, of the remaining racegated love interests, one or both could be gated against dwarves/etc.

 

nah, if Iron Bull was planned to be gated against dwarfs and any other character who's available to male characters as well, then gay male dwarfs would only have one gay character to choose from. Let's say Iron Bull and Dorian were planned to be gated and the remaining option is ungated bisexual Solas. Then, gay dwarfs would only have Solas as an option and not really a choice. 

[Who Knows]

nah, if Iron Bull was planned to be gated against dwarfs and any other character who's available to male characters, gay male dwarfs would only have one gay character to choose from. Let's say Iron Bull and Dorian are gated and the remaining option is bisexual Solas. Then, gay dwarfs would only have Solas as an option and not really a choice. 

Assuming what they said about everyone having at least two options counted before they altered Iron Bull.

[LiaraShepard]

Assuming what they said about everyone having at least two options counted before they altered Iron Bull.

 

That's why I think dwarfs won't be gated against any other (male) character, because they were already planned to be gated against IB. If another male character would be gated against them, it would lead to the conclusion that straight female and gay dwarfs would have only one option. Okay, they could still be gated against a female character...But with IB in back of the mind I don't think Cullen and Solas will be gated against dwarfs.

[Samahl]

My guess is that it'll either be Cullen (against qunari and/or dwarves), Dorian (against qunari and/or elves), Sera (against humans), or Vivienne (against one or more non-human races).

[Yomond]

I have not read the whole thread yet but may i ask a few silly questions? (that was one of them) How do we know there will be any "race gating" at all? and What does romance mean in context? like a full LI or an "achievementless romance" like ME2 Kelly? or like only HN can marry Anora?

[LOLandStuff]

Well, I'm not surprised Cullen acted the way he did towards Oghren. The guy's been tortured and then this dwarf shows telling him to get a drink and get over it. Really, what do you expect? He was pretty pissed off the moment you interact with him. And I'm sure most on the surface have the same idea when it comes to dwarves.

 

"They live in caves and drink a lot. They also don't believe in the Maker and try to sell you stuff."

[Kimberly]

I have not read the whole thread yet but may i ask a few silly questions? (that was one of them) How do we know there will be any "race gating" at all? and What does romance mean in context? like a full LI or an "achievementless romance" like ME2 Kelly? or like only HN can marry Anora?

It's been awhile but a dev tweet or said it in the forum/blog that there was going to be race gated LIs. We don't know who or if all are a full LI. Some speculate IB could be just a fling.

[LobselVith8]

I have not read the whole thread yet but may i ask a few silly questions? (that was one of them) How do we know there will be any "race gating" at all? and What does romance mean in context? like a full LI or an "achievementless romance" like ME2 Kelly? or like only HN can marry Anora?

 

It was said two romance options will be race gated. Iron Bull was originally gated, but John Epler worked overtime (and off the clock) to make the character available for everyone.

[Ianamus]

I don't think the city elves are less hung up on it; the arranged marriages are about maintaining the elven population, and Soris is ostracized by humans and elves in one of the Epilogues because he has a human wife (which causes him to leave with his wife).

 

That's actually really interesting. In all of the other Elf/Human NPC couples I can think of it was a female elf and a male human. Interesting to see that there are ones referenced in-game that are the other way around. 

 

As for the two race-gated LI's, I was of the opinion it would be Vivienne and Varric, before it was announced that he is not an LI. I guess Cullen seems most likely now, from what people are saying, but I'm not sure. I could see it being Solas as well.