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[Elhanan]

Believe the term Dagger is used in the DA series to also include short swords; hence the longer scabbards.

[StrangeStrategy]

Because Legolas proved it can be more badass when drawn from the back.

[Eternal Phoenix]

I read this thread title as 'Why can't dragons be worn at the hip?'

Anyways, as to the actual question: I don't know. They managed to put daggers at the hip and swords/bows at the back for Kingdoms of Amalur, and it looked quite good.

 

Same for Dragon's Dogma.

 

Daggers are small enough to fit on the hip and fitting a dagger on each side allows for quicker drawing. It's the same reason swords are normally on a sheath on someone's hip. Only big weapons and shields go on the back because someone's side obviously wouldn't fit a zweihander.

 

I don't buy the idea some people are making that it allows the hero to throw the daggers quicker. The rogue doesn't throw those daggers, he/she throws the murder knife - just like the other classes - which (I assume) is still tucked inside the character's belt/pocket.

 

If you want to throw daggers quickly then you have them strapped to your front like Gabriel Belmont:

 

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The knight from Dark Souls knows what's up too as he has his dagger strapped to the front of his armor.

 

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Having the dagger at the front also means that if grabbed from behind, the character could draw their dagger and attack with it. They can't do that if they had it strapped to their back like a ****ing r***** now can they? XD

 

Historically this is also the case with this drawing depicting knight's equipment and where it goes, the dagger being as his right side:

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Believe the term Dagger is used in the DA series to also include short swords; hence the longer scabbards.

 

Yeah, their size would make them shortswords but shortswords historically are actually attached to the hip too and are considered sidearms. I'm pretty sure knights would carry these as a secondary weapon in case they were disarmed.

 

Either way, it looks silly having short swords or daggers on the back and no knight or warrior who wanted to be practical had these weapons strapped to their backs.

[Swaggerjking]

I can see why They don't have as every one else said cause massive clipping but the draw time doesn't really matter because you are not going be place in any situation in where the time would matter

[L. Han]

I understand why people are bothered by this. A pair of floating daggers on their back would seem weird and out of place.

 

I can only imagine having weapons strapped on the back is to allow you free movement. A lot of mountaineering warriors had a sword short/dagger strapped on the back. Though they were limited to them as drawing out a long weapon from the back is awkward and near impossible.

 

I guess the best thing you can do now is not use daggers, and hope that most NPCs won't be carrying daggers.

[giveamanafish...]

Yes it's alll minuitae. However everybody ignored this point:

I think if you had a single dagger it should go on your hip.  But if you're dual wielding, try yourself to draw them if there's one on each hip.  Especially since it's standard that the weapon go on the opposite side of your hip to your weapon hand.  It would be fine if you wielded them backwards i.e. tip is facing downwards when drawn, you wouldn't need to draw from the other hip - the dagger on your right hip would be wielded by your right hand.  But if you wield normally, then bringing both your arms across your chest diagonally is probably more difficult (and dangerous since your other arm is getting in the way) than bringing your right and left arms to your right and left shoulders respectively.

 

I have a vague memory possibly in DAO the dwarven commoner origin of a dual-wielder drawing from the hip but with a reverse hold or whatever, where the blade was on the baby finger side of the hand. I may have just imagined this tho.

 

Also for the past two games the party was on foot. Probably better to carry the clanking chaffing load on the back.

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[dekarserverbot]

I wish they were not be worn at all...

[LPPrince]

I think the devs want them being shown in an angle that players will always see them, basically to showcase the art of them. Since players see behind the back, there you go

[DadeLeviathan]

i agree that daggers being mounted on the back is silly. However, my assumption (yes, yes, ass out of u and me, i know, shush) is that it was easier for them to mount everything on the back animation-wise. 

[Knight_47K]

wow.  this is my first time posting here on the road to a game release.  I understand everyone has their own personal concerns about things that are big deals to at least them.  I have some of my own, but does the nit picking get worse and worse as release day approaches?

 

Fresh off the boat I see. Welcome to BSN, my friend. Enjoy your stay, don't let Allan catch you.

[The Hierophant]

Would like to see DA's daggers holstered like so in the future, but the dev's choice in weapon size makes it unlikely.

[Chiramu]

Well, if they really were floating and it wasn't just a game artifact, you have to admit, that would be a good place to keep them.

 

Except if you want to dual wield them backwards (like holding tonfa), it'll be easier to draw them from the hips. Actually, they should release some "exotic" weapons as the old Bioware games called them, I really want to play a dual wielding tonfa girl omg.

[The Night Haunter]

Because, if Daggers were sheathed at the hip then the BSN would have to work to find a new thing to complain about. Bioware is only being helpful, allowing the BSN to complain about this rather than have to find something else to complain about.

[PsychoBlonde]

I understand why people are bothered by this. A pair of floating daggers on their back would seem weird and out of place.

 

I can only imagine having weapons strapped on the back is to allow you free movement. A lot of mountaineering warriors had a sword short/dagger strapped on the back. Though they were limited to them as drawing out a long weapon from the back is awkward and near impossible.

 

I guess the best thing you can do now is not use daggers, and hope that most NPCs won't be carrying daggers.

Actually, if you're going to store weapons on your back, any reasonable person would not put them in a sheath (ludicrous, impossible to retrieve) but in a breakaway hanger designed so that if you give the hilt a good yank the whole weapon comes loose.  Putting the weapon BACK is a bit more laborious, but you're usually not concerned with speed at that time.

Sheaths/holsters etc. are just as designed as the weapons they hold.  

[Elhanan]

I like them across the back myself, but it matters little to me.

[Roamingmachine]

The only times you should even consider holding weapons on your back is when they are stowed for transportation. If you actually expect to use them, you wear them at about hip level, close to where your hands are. The ridiculously oversized weapons (like greatsword) you carry shouldered. On horseback the weapons can be sheated on the saddle,though you wouldn't do that with daggers.

[TheChris92]

Definitely prefer them at the hip like in WoW, myself.

[TheEgoRaptor]

Like a modern day rifle (can't carry that on your hip, can you?))

 

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[DarthLaxian]

Hey,

 

Got another idea - you don't even need to wear daggers on your hips (at least smaller ones), you can wear them in arm holsters (like up a sleeve, if you wear some longer clothing) they are more concealed and you can draw two of them (on on each arm) by reachin for the left arm one with your right hand and vice versa

 

greetings LAX

ps: for an assassin that would make more sense, too (easy access and the holsters (given that they are made of very good material) can even add some protection to your arms (particularly close to the hands)

 

PPS: Sorry, just saw that: ROFLMAO...cool, but still ridiculous (I would prefer something like my TAD-Gear Fast Pack EDC's Beaver-Tail if I had to carry a gun a long way - or just sling in over the shoulder for a shorter trip - not that my idiotic government (Germany -.-) allows anyone (except hunters, security guys, soldiers and police guys) to carry guns in the open...otherwise you have to transport them in a locked container (box or bag with a lock) and only if you really have need of the gun (no: murder does not count ^^ - going to your local shooting club (note: you only get a gone if you are a member of such an organisation), going hunting (if you are a hunter with a license) and taking it to your gunsmith are such occasions))

[Serza]

-apparent proof-

 

Now do that with the following firearms:

M4 Carbine

M16A4

AK-74M

AKSU-74

AKM/AK-47

TAR-21

F-2000A

SCAR L/Mk16

AEK -971

CZ-805 BREN

 

Please note that I was actually nice and didn't mention any battle rifles. PDWs don't count as rifles.

[Lady Luminous]

Would it be possible to have them float on the hip to reduce clipping, or would it clip anyways?

 

I don't mind the floating if the weapons are in a better position. 

[archav3n]

I mean who wears DAGGERS on their back?  I think they moved the sword to the hip right?  So why keep daggers floating on the back?  It looks silly for a game coming out in 2014 with this great new engine they keep bragging about.

 

I have to agree with you. I find it way odd that those 2 daggers hanging behind the back. Daggers should be on the waistline. But what can be done? I don't know probably they are reusing some of the older game assets? Who knows.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'd like a butt-sheathe.

 

[Null0]

I like the idea of daggers on the hips, saving space on the back for bigger weapon(s).

 

Just apart from the main topic: How cool would it be to have something like narrow medieval dagger misericordia used to finish the enemies suffering deadly wounds (when plate armor became wide spread) ?   BTW: such daggers was usually worn on the hip or  on the breast plate :