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[Domiel Angelus]

Seriously, how many months of info have I not paid attention to? I finally got a splat page on Facebook telling me about it and it just gives me an irrational hatred for all things Bioware now. I mean I understand why they would do it, but they ninja'd me into bed with Zevran in DA:O. So why change this up now when this game could make or break them as a studio?

 

It's not right to give us all of these beautiful characters to play with and go "Ohhhhh no no, you can't have that unless you do this" Its just like having playing all of ME2 and doing everything you possible can to romance Samara and she goes "Oooops I still can't do anything with you". At least there's a good reasoning behind her saying it, but gating pretty much every romance in the game is bogus. I understand that replay-ability is an issue, but forcing it isn't good either. 

 

By gating the romances in a game that's all about freedom, you're pretty much making your 'open world' or 'sandbox' into a small rectangle that has clearly defined walls. The first game and second games weren't just about giving gifts, it was about handling situations with your companions and overcoming their fears and worries by gaining their trust through your actions. Gating the romances says "Here's a wall, we've made it too high to climb and too thick to break through, but oh the guard will let you pass if you have pointy ears and a saucy disposition" 

 

Its sort of expected though after ME3 and the whole, pick a color because we've invalidated every choice you've made to save the universe with a two minute cut scene. Its also well founded with the quest in DA 2 where no matter how you handled it, they killed off your mom. So the lack of choices is becoming more the norm in Bioware games. 

 

As for Leliana not being romance able, she should only be 'unattainable' for lack of a better word if she fell in love with your original Warden in DA:O. 

[Vapaa]

By gating the romances in a game that's all about freedom, you're pretty much making your 'open world' or 'sandbox' into a small rectangle that has clearly defined walls.

 

Soooo race-gating TWO LIs OUT OF EIGHT, is spoiling the open world ?

 

....right

[Andraste_Reborn]

Seriously, how many months of info have I not paid attention to?

 

It's been a few months, I don't remember precisely.

 

Only two of the romances are race-gated, so it's not 'pretty much every romance in the game'. There will be six that are available to all races.

 

As for Leliana not being romance able, she should only be 'unattainable' for lack of a better word if she fell in love with your original Warden in DA:O.

 

I'd rather they expended their resources on people we haven't been able to romance before. If someone really wants Leliana, they can boot up DAO.

[Chernaya]

It's only gonna be two of the LI's... out of eight. It's not that huge of a deal. I... I don't see what this has to do with being ninjamanced by Zevran and the ME3 endings... are you just bringing up random stuff you dislike about Bioware games now because you're frustrated about gating? 

[Sifr]

If one of the LI is Vivienne, I can understand why she might be race-gated for Human Inquisitors only, since as a high-profile figure in Orlais, it'd probably not do well for her public image to be seen dallying with a Qunari, Elf or Dwarf.

 

I'd suspect that her being unwilling to romance a non-Human Inquisitor would be less to do with her caring about their race and more about her caring about the political backlash she'd get from (bigoted) people to whom race does matter.

 

In Orlais, appearance is everything, after all.

 

Even so, needless complaining is needless. Can't we all just wait to play the game and then complain later, once we have an objective viewpoint and know the things we do and do not like about it? I suspect there will be something to gripe about (there always is in any game), but griping now when we haven't seen how good (or bad) the game is, seems pointless?

[Basement Cat]

Would people just get over the Leliana thing already? 

[ManOfSteel]

By gating the romances in a game that's all about freedom, you're pretty much making your 'open world' or 'sandbox' into a small rectangle that has clearly defined walls.

Dragon Age is not a sandbox game. It's a story-driven RPG, and if gating some of the (optional) romance content serves the story and the development of the characters it involves, so be it.

[ElitePinecone]

The entitlement in the OP is astonishing. 

[Kantr]

The entitlement is strong in this OP

[Domiel Angelus]

Darn right I'm entitled. I played DA:O and Awakening and loved them dearly and a large portion of what made them so much  fun is being junked out the window. The amount times where it was a choice that's not a choice coming up in Bioware games is far more prevalent than ever before. Gating romances is another way of saying "you don't get a choice in your play style" 

 

As of this point its only two that we know of that are gated, the game still has two months before launch and they're very tightly keeping it all under wraps to hide everything else. So far there's 2 gated and 2 non-options, what if I really really wanted to romance Varrick? You don't get to in DA2 and he was pretty much my favorite companion. I understand swapping out Leliana for some new blood but what about all of the other cast members we haven't seen anything about? There's way too much wound up in other characters that we may never even hear a peep from again.

 

Its not just gating that bugs me, its the lack of squad banter in so many games now as well. How many times did you walk over the bridge in Lothering or the front space of the Dalish camp to see what they're going to say? Its the little finicky bits that make the game most interesting to me and little by little I see them getting ebbed out with the new content. 

[Feybrad]

Party Banter is in, just as in all other Dragon Age Games - you can even somewhat take Part in it if you like to...

Just saying...

[TheJediSaint]

You know?  If you're really that bothered about what Bioware's doing with Dragon Age, don't buy the game.

[Nohvarr]

Gating romances is another way of saying "you don't get a choice in your play style" 

So you want every single companion to be romanceable? I mean we know that some of them are not interested in the main character at all, but by your logic they should be made into an LI if you want them to be one.

[BabyFratelli]

Err... I think you might be confused OP. (Or maybe your feathers are just unbelievably ruffled. The only explanation I can think of for your extreme anger is not knowing what's going on.)

 

There are 8 love interests.

 

Confirmed:

 

Straight: Cullen, Cassandra

Bisexual: Iron Bull (All races), Josephine (Implied all races, but not confirmed)

Gay: Sera, Dorian

 

Varric, Cole and Leliana are confirmed not love interests, which means that either Vivienne, Blackwall or Solas are the remaining two.

 

Other than that, out of the 8 there are two who have some kind of racial gating. We have no clue of the extent that racial gating is (examples: Cullen might not date Qunari, but be happy with everyone else. Sera might only date elves). I'm not sure of my opinion on race gating, but even with it there's a heck of a lot of awesome options. Also, there is banter in the game, and it's going to be interactive. Alistair and Morrigan will also be reappearing to some extent. You're going to be okay.

 

and if you're still not happy then don't buy the game. this isn't the kind of place you're going to find people with mutual feelings, i'm afraid.

[Panda]

I just want to know who is race-gated already. I have planned my characters months ago and I'd like to know what characters I need to change/abandon. Most anxious right now I'm towards options for straight qunari women, it's possible that I'm not able to get any LI for that combo and it'd be my fav to play. I'm meaning LI that I'd take as option, Iron Bull (follows Qun) and Blackwall (too old) aren't options in my mind ^^; Cullen, Solas and Varric in other hand would be/have been good.

[Domiel Angelus]

You see, you're saying don't buy it, but I've already paid for it and now I'm seeing all of this stuff . Not only did I buy it sight unseen, I gave them enough benefit of the doubt to upgrade to the Inquisitor's Edition, not Deluxe, the crazy one. 

[BabyFratelli]

You see, you're saying don't buy it, but I've already paid for it and now I'm seeing all of this stuff . Not only did I buy it sight unseen, I gave them enough benefit of the doubt to upgrade to the Inquisitor's Edition, not Deluxe, the crazy one. 

 

I still don't really understand what the problem is, but that could be because I think the game looks great and loyal to it's roots.

 

But if you don't want it seriously just go and get your money back. No one is stopping you.

[Nohvarr]

You see, you're saying don't buy it, but I've already paid for it and now I'm seeing all of this stuff . Not only did I buy it sight unseen, I gave them enough benefit of the doubt to upgrade to the Inquisitor's Edition, not Deluxe, the crazy one. 

So....you pre-ordered the game "Sight unseen" despite your concerns about a lack of choice in recent Bioware games, didn't pay a lot of attention to the released information (since we've been aware of the romance situation for a couple of months now), and now want to Complain that a character (who may have a good reason for it) may not be interested in your Inquisitor?

 

Is that about right?

[Andraste_Reborn]

Gating romances is another way of saying "you don't get a choice in your play style"

 

BioWare have been race-gating romances since Baldur's Gate 2. At least this time there are six options for all races - back then female gnomes and halflings and all dwarves got stuck with nobody.

 

So far there's 2 gated and 2 non-options, what if I really really wanted to romance Varrick? You don't get to in DA2 and he was pretty much my favorite companion.

 

There are only two race-gated romances, total. BioWare have made this very clear. (There used to be three, but they fixed the Iron Bull. Because John Epler is awesome .)

 

I'm as heartbroken about Varric as the next hopeless fan, but we're not actually entitled to a romance with him. We just need to cry into our drinks for a while and then move on. (Either to some other companion, or to singledom.)

 

Its not just gating that bugs me, its the lack of squad banter in so many games now as well. How many times did you walk over the bridge in Lothering or the front space of the Dalish camp to see what they're going to say? Its the little finicky bits that make the game most interesting to me and little by little I see them getting ebbed out with the new content.

 

But there was loads of banter in DA2. We've already heard some from DAI, as well.

[Domiel Angelus]

So....you pre-ordered the game "Sight unseen" despite your concerns about a lack of choice in recent Bioware games, didn't pay a lot of attention to the released information (since we've been aware of the romance situation for a couple of months now), and now want to Complain that a character (who may have a good reason for it) may not be interested in your Inquisitor?

 

Is that about right?

 

That's actually about right, because I was hoping to give them another chance with the series that made me enjoy Bioware in the first place. I was trying to avoid seeing any of the released information if you had actually read my first post. Yes, I want to complain, because every single character that has had a 'good reason' so far has had some way to be swayed. Even Leliana whom is not an interest in this one was extremely difficult to talk into romance but it was possible. 

 

I don't mind having sexual orientations because that's life, I understand that some people have bad blood with other species or races, but as the Warden and later as Hawke you were allowed to overcome that in the almighty way of Captain Kirk to knock boots with pretty much whomever you pleased within reason. Whether it be elf, dwarf, human or if you're talking about Bioware games in general a blue-berry, a girl that's pretty much living in a bubble or a woman that almost puts a bullet in your head. 

 

Sera is a bit of an oddball to me because all three of the previous elven companions that were full time companions were bi-sexual. Only in the DLC Mark of the Assassin do you come across a companion elf that's not interested in the opposite gender, even though Tallis will still flirt with you to be nice. I'm certain she'll be a ball to bro around with but it will still leave me wondering. 

[LOLandStuff]

Would people just get over the Leliana thing already? 

 

Anyone should be romanced and re-romanced.

 

If it's in the game it has to be romanced.

[Basement Cat]

Anyone should be romanced and re-romanced.

 

If it's in the game it has to be romanced.

Even the war table? *snerk*

[LOLandStuff]

Even the war table? *snerk*

 

Static objects have as much right as living beings.

[costalren28]

 As for Leliana not being romance able, she should only be 'unattainable' for lack of a better word if she fell in love with your original Warden in DA:O. 

 

That's actually an interesting thought. I do feel a romance option can be opened up for Leliana, if you choose not to have her romance the warden as your prior storyline. But, have that route closed, if you picked her as the love interest. Since you can change things around in the Dragon Keep, why not that? Maybe they could do it in a future DLC. So obvious the reason I'm suggesting such a thing.

Seriously, how many months of info have I not paid attention to? I finally got a splat page on Facebook telling me about it and it just gives me an irrational hatred for all things Bioware now.

 

Still, such strong feelings are kind of over-kill. Perhaps, it's not so much to block things out, as to naturalize the choices and imbue more flexibility within them. Like, a character doesn't flat-out like you or dislike you. There is more to it than that.

 

I just want to know who is race-gated already. I have planned my characters months ago and I'd like to know what characters I need to change/abandon. Most anxious right now.

 

Me too! I'm just dying to know. And everything else into the bargain.

[BloodKaiden]

Smh, people really need to man or woman up and get over this already. How about we try playing the game first before passing judgment. Once we learn more about the companions on a personal level I'm sure the race gated ones will make sense.