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[CrimsonN7]

 

Would people just get over the Leliana thing already? 

 

But BlueDrake clearly she can't be of any worth to us unless we can give her the D.

[X Equestris]

http://www.gamespot....s/1100-6421247/
 
 
Annoyed people and whiners on Gamespot as well.

And how do you know those aren't the same people who complain here?

[Null0]

I don't know what's all that confusion about... it's nothing new to have some 'gated' romances in an RPG. I remember that i.e. BG2 contained such 'limitation' as well and it still remains my favorite game of all time. It's actually even better  (IMO) that Bioware limited some possibilities here. It's pretty obvious that particular character might take age/race/attitude into consideration while starting any 'love stories' with the others. 

[Chernaya]

This has probably already been said, but I also wish to tell the OP that Dragon Age is a series where we're sometimes presented choices that sometimes reflect what happens in the game. Not every single thing, though. I'm sorry if you wanted a way to prevent Leandra's death, but there have always been parts of the story that were set in stone, not just in Dragon Age but every other game that presents the player choice and consequence. 

[katerinafm]

Using gamespot as an example for 'fans being angry'  is like testing how crazy people on earth are by going to an asylum. Yes, the nurses there are sane, but it's a place where unstable people gather. Your results are going to be biased.

 

Gamespot doesn't have 'fans' being angry. They have gamespot users being angry at pretty much everything, especially when it comes to EA and Bioware. Those are not fans.

[Tevinter Rose]

 

 

But BlueDrake clearly she can't be of any worth to us unless we can give her the D.

 

..or the V 

[Dabrikishaw]

Gating romances is another way of saying "you don't get a choice in your play style" 

No it doesn't. Nothing is stopping you from playing another character if you want to romance someone in DA:I.

[DeityDi]

Some just can't.

Weird as hell, I know and don't understand that at all.

[Lady Luminous]

You know?  If you're really that bothered about what Bioware's doing with Dragon Age, don't buy the game.

 

Gah, I'm out of likes.

 

[StrangeStrategy]

Seriously, how many months of info have I not paid attention to? I finally got a splat page on Facebook telling me about it and it just gives me an irrational hatred for all things Bioware now. I mean I understand why they would do it, but they ninja'd me into bed with Zevran in DA:O. So why change this up now when this game could make or break them as a studio?

 

It's not right to give us all of these beautiful characters to play with and go "Ohhhhh no no, you can't have that unless you do this" Its just like having playing all of ME2 and doing everything you possible can to romance Samara and she goes "Oooops I still can't do anything with you". At least there's a good reasoning behind her saying it, but gating pretty much every romance in the game is bogus. I understand that replay-ability is an issue, but forcing it isn't good either. 

 

By gating the romances in a game that's all about freedom, you're pretty much making your 'open world' or 'sandbox' into a small rectangle that has clearly defined walls. The first game and second games weren't just about giving gifts, it was about handling situations with your companions and overcoming their fears and worries by gaining their trust through your actions. Gating the romances says "Here's a wall, we've made it too high to climb and too thick to break through, but oh the guard will let you pass if you have pointy ears and a saucy disposition" 

 

Its sort of expected though after ME3 and the whole, pick a color because we've invalidated every choice you've made to save the universe with a two minute cut scene. Its also well founded with the quest in DA 2 where no matter how you handled it, they killed off your mom. So the lack of choices is becoming more the norm in Bioware games. 

 

As for Leliana not being romance able, she should only be 'unattainable' for lack of a better word if she fell in love with your original Warden in DA:O. 

About Leliana: They're not going to make something as big as a romance for a character (Leliana) who may nto even be romanceable in the first place; it'd be a big waste of resources and they could make a better romance (and use resources better) by giving us a new one, like Josephine. If you want to romance Leliana; go play DA:O again. There was your Leliana romance!

 

As for the whole race-gating being a bad thing... Is it? You don't even know if it affects your choices yet, and you're already whining. Personally, I like it. It makes each character more unique; Imagine if Dorian turned around and said "Me? With you? An elf? Pffft no way, you're a slave to me not an equal." It'd be like.... **** dorian, you're an ass. And suddenly he becomes less of a "Inquisitor wants me! Ok no matter what he is or looks like I'll like him back" and more of a real personality with his own preferences and prejudices. It adds character at the cost of compatibility; even trade I think.
 

[PCThug]

Is there are any clearer declaration that someone intentionally romanced Zevran than by claiming they were ninjamanced? Just say nothing if you're that embarrassed by it.

[90s Luke]

BioWare have been race-gating romances since Baldur's Gate 2. At least this time there are six options for all races - back then female gnomes and halflings and all dwarves got stuck with nobody.

 

Indeed, race-gating is nothing new to BioWare games.

 

(Viconia, why won't you love my elf PC?!)

[Lady Luminous]

I truly believe that gated sexualities and race-gating help flesh out the character and turn them into a real person. 

 

If I'm so truly set on romancing a companion, there isn't anything stopping me from booting up the CC and making an inquisitor that isn't repulsive to the companion. 

[GriffinFire]

Any given Inquisitor is practically guaranteed to have at least as many romance options as in previous Dragon Age games, even taking race gating into account.  I'm not sure what the complaint is.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Hey OP, look who I found.

 

 

I found you.

[nerd_gawdess]

Totally not seeing the issue. .in real life EVERYONE isn't avaliable to you. I think they covered all areas here. .odd assessment considering it's a game that has never been played. ..

[nerd_gawdess]

I don't follow how romances would affect the open world design in any way. If anything, they are just a character interaction and storybuilding mechanic

This. Just enhances everything. .makes you feel more connected

[Cainhurst Crow]

I understand that some people have bad blood with other species or races, but as the Warden and later as Hawke you were allowed to overcome that in the almighty way of Captain Kirk to knock boots with pretty much whomever you pleased within reason.

 

Sten, Oghren, Wynne, Shale, Loghain, Nathanial, Sigrun, Velanna, Sketch, Tug, Silas, Brogan, Jerrik, Ariane, Finn, Daveth, Fenarel, Jory, Jowan, Mhari, Leske, Gorim, Tamlen, Soris, Aveline, Bethany, Carver, Sebastian, Varric, Tallis, Arishock, Athenril, Meeran, and many, many, more npc's.

 

All of which you didn't get to bang.

 

 

[Domiel Angelus]

Sten, Oghren, Wynne, Shale, Loghain, Nathanial, Sigrun, Velanna, Sketch, Tug, Silas, Brogan, Jerrik, Ariane, Finn, Daveth, Fenarel, Jory, Jowan, Mhari, Leske, Gorim, Tamlen, Soris, Aveline, Bethany, Carver, Sebastian, Varric, Tallis, Arishock, Athenril, Meeran, and many, many, more npc's.

 

All of which you didn't get to bang.

 

Well, romancing some of those would be extremely problematic such as the fact that you put Hawke's brother and sister on the list, Sebastian can be romanced but there's no final outcome and Tallis can be flirted with to the point of feisty banter if you're a fem-Hawke. 

 

Several of those people can also be flirted with even if there is no romantic entanglement, but by gating the options you won't even be allowed to flirt. 

 

 

Totally not seeing the issue. .in real life EVERYONE isn't avaliable to you. I think they covered all areas here. .odd assessment considering it's a game that has never been played. ..

 

There's your problem, this isn't real life, this is a game. This is a role-playing game where statistics and dialogue options control the variables, and by those variables I should be able to overcome anything. Your Inquisitor isn't going to be that great a leader if he/she can't overcome someone's prejudice to get them to view at least him/her in a different light, possibility to the point of romantic attraction based on your characters individual actions not because their ears are or aren't pointy. Would you really want to follow someone into battle with the Charisma of a tree-stump that can't get you to willingly cooperate with someone else? No, you'd be dancing your happy butt a thousand meters away to say "Nope, nope, nope. Not in a million years would I do that" 

 

Plus in DA2, even if people didn't like you, you could still romance them via the Rivalry side of things. So the gating still is shaky ground considering they've already placed a precedent in there own games in this series of people that hate or at least strongly dislike each other having a romance.  Case in point, Fenris hates mages with a passion that burns deep within his soul, but even a Hawke mage can romance him through that hatred. 

 

RPGs even the best ones are mainly about wish fulfillment. I want to be the hero, I want to get the girl or guy and I want it to be the one I choose, not the one that the designers have set forth for me and I want to do it as a Dalish Male Elf. 

 

Also even if everyone isn't really interested in you, its fun to flirt with danger for a bit and by going "That guy hates elves and it doesn't matter what you do" you take out the possibility of awkward flirtations that would make the squad banter a bit more hilarious. 

 

Also another point of contention on the 'ninja romances' if you didn't kill Ashley and didn't romance Liara in the first ME, you were forced into a relationship with Ashley in the console versions. (Male Shep only)

 

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

 

Well, romancing some of those would be extremely problematic such as the fact that you put Hawke's brother and sister on the list, Sebastian can be romanced but there's no final outcome and Tallis can be flirted with to the point of feisty banter if you're a fem-Hawke. 

 

Several of those people can also be flirted with even if there is no romantic entanglement, but by gating the options you won't even be allowed to flirt. 

 

 

If the player character should be allowed to override every other factor in how people want a romantic partner, then hereditary links are just one more thing to get rid of. After all, don't you want players to be free? To choose who they romance without impediment to give a true open world experience?

 

And flirting without romance is simply a meaningless gesture, after all, that's what matters in the end. The ability to make a character fall in love with yours to the point of letting you into their under garments. Their own desires and free will mean nothing, compared to that of the PC after all.

[AresKeith]

Also another point of contention on the 'ninja romances' if you didn't kill Ashley and didn't romance Liara in the first ME, you were forced into a relationship with Ashley in the console versions. (Male Shep only)

 

 

I don't remember that happening to me 

[CrimsonN7]

Sten, Oghren, Wynne, Shale, Loghain, Nathanial, Sigrun, Velanna, Sketch, Tug, Silas, Brogan, Jerrik, Ariane, Finn, Daveth, Fenarel, Jory, Jowan, Mhari, Leske, Gorim, Tamlen, Soris, Aveline, Bethany, Carver, Sebastian, Varric, Tallis, Arishock, Athenril, Meeran, and many, many, more npc's.

 

All of which you didn't get to bang.

 

[HuldraDancer]

The people who accidentally the whole Zevran have taught me one thing: people don't read. That, or there are a lot of naive twelve-year-olds playing DAO.

 

(I mean, he says he learnt his massage technique in an Antivan brothel! What did people think he meant?!)

Or the fact that he asks you about what should happen if things go past just a massage. Honestly I don't understand the 'Zeveran ninjamanced me!' thing since in the runs I remember he had a lot of 'Does that make you uncomfortable? I'm not overstepping my boundaries with you am I? Are you alright with me saying that?' type of dialog. You'd have to cover both eyes and ears to miss all of that.