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[Domiel Angelus]

Or the fact that he asks you about what should happen if things go past just a massage. Honestly I don't understand the 'Zeveran ninjamanced me!' thing since in the runs I remember he had a lot of 'Does that make you uncomfortable? I'm not overstepping my boundaries with you am I? Are you alright with me saying that?' type of dialog. You'd have to cover both eyes and ears to miss all of that.

 

Or you'd have to think he's joking which I've met quite a few people in real life with that same sort of swagger that just want to say things like that to get a rise out of you.

 

Is there are any clearer declaration that someone intentionally romanced Zevran than by claiming they were ninjamanced? Just say nothing if you're that embarrassed by it.

 

 

I'm not embarrassed that it happened, it was pretty funny to me at least.

 

[Domiel Angelus]

I don't remember that happening to me 

 

 

When you got to the point where you're looking at the picture on your desk, if you weren't romantically entangled with one of the current crew members it would be her picture on your desk, constituting that she was your romance option. So it may not have happened to you because you bounced into the loving arms of someone on the ship, where as I danced around the point to not tie myself up because I was holding out for Kelly Chambers. 

[Domiel Angelus]

And how do you know those aren't the same people who complain here?

 

I don't, unless they come forth and go, yup, that's me. It could be a completely different group of people.

 

 

 

But BlueDrake clearly she can't be of any worth to us unless we can give her the D.

 

 

Romance doesn't always mean sex -facepalm-

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

Its posts like this that make the world think gamers are nothing but whiny babies who complain when they don't get their way, even when its their own fault for spending their money and buying the game they complain about. 

[HuldraDancer]

 

Or you'd have to think he's joking which I've met quite a few people in real life with that same sort of swagger that just want to say things like that to get a rise out of you.

 

 

If it was a once or twice flirt AND if he didn't constantly ask your Warden if he was making them uncomfortable then I could understand that but that wasn't the case. Most of the times when flirting happened especially with a male warden Zervan asked you quite a few times if he was making you uncomfortable. That really should have set off some kind of signal if you didn't want to romance him honestly. I'm not great at realizing people flirting with me but Zevran was as subtle as a train with full whistles blowing especially by the point where he offers a massage that he learned in a brothel.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

 

 

 

 

Romance doesn't always mean sex -facepalm-

someone obviously doesn't know sarcasm when they read it 

[CrimsonN7]

 

Romance doesn't always mean sex -facepalm-

 

That's cute OP, if you're in the market for a chaste romance with Leliana you're clearly barking up the wrong bush. Hop along back to DAO and get your fill of Leliana love for DAI Leliana has no time for anyone's romantic bsns and so what of it. She has more important matters to attend to like the apocalypse, romance can take a hike right now.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

That's cute OP, if you're in the market for a chaste romance with Leliana you're clearly barking up the wrong bush. Hop along back to DAO and get your fill of Leliana love for DAI Leliana has no time for anyone's romantic bsns and so what of it. She has more important matters to attend to like the apocalypse, romance can take a hike right now.

lol is this your serious side Crimson? 

[Domiel Angelus]

That's cute OP, if you're in the market for a chaste romance with Leliana you're clearly barking up the wrong bush. Hop along back to DAO and get your fill of Leliana love for DAI Leliana has no time for anyone's romantic bsns and so what of it. She has more important matters to attend to like the apocalypse, romance can take a hike right now.

 

 

I have this feeling you went Assassin and not Bard with her in the first game. Also, there's always impending doom, that's sort of the game overarching theme. There's time for a little love at the end of the world, there was for the Warden, there was for Hawke, and there will be for the Inquisitor.

[Nohvarr]

This is a role-playing game where statistics and dialogue options control the variables, and by those variables I should be able to overcome anything.

 

Then the game fails as wish fulfillment since you can not Romance Sera as a male, Dorian as a female, Cullen as a male, Cole as anyone (etc). These people are not interested in you no matter how much you want them to be and no, stat no conversation choice will change that. So since you've already accepted that, I don't see the issue. Especially since you are complaining without knowing "WHY" they are "race-gated" or even who is race gated.

 

I want to be the hero, I want to get the girl or guy and I want it to be the one I choose, not the one that the designers have set forth for me and I want to do it as a Dalish Male Elf.

 

By this logic, Bioware should waste time and resources shoehorning a romance into every major character just in case someone wants to romance them. I vehemently oppose turning Dragon Age into a dating sim just because some one somewhere thinks Cole needs a little loving despite his mental maturity.

 

Also even if everyone isn't really interested in you, its fun to flirt with danger for a bit and by going "That guy hates elves and it doesn't matter what you do" you take out the possibility of awkward flirtations that would make the squad banter a bit more hilarious.

 

Going by past games, I think they've got party banter down and do not need to force flirting in just for the sake of some comedy.

[Cainhurst Crow]

So romances aren't about sex, but in every bioware game up to this point, sex has been the ultimate arrival point for a character in the romancing chain, say for 1 or 2 exceptions. You talk, you get to know them, they confess their feelings, and then they come up to your quarters for some sex, and I'm pretty sure if you turn them down on their offer of sex, because maybe your possible impending death doesn't do for a good turn on in rping your character, then you lose the romance, or at least it suffers.

 

So how are romances not about sex again, the sex scene plays such a pivotal role in the romances?

[X Equestris]

When you got to the point where you're looking at the picture on your desk, if you weren't romantically entangled with one of the current crew members it would be her picture on your desk, constituting that she was your romance option. So it may not have happened to you because you bounced into the loving arms of someone on the ship, where as I danced around the point to not tie myself up because I was holding out for Kelly Chambers.

Not true. As I recall (and I'm a console player) the picture on your desk was either the love interest, or whoever died on Virmire. If you were to romance someone in ME2 and import that to ME3, and you talked to Ashley, she would bring up that fact and ask you about the status of your relationship. Kelly wouldn't trigger that since she isn't a "real" romance, but in that case, Ash would still act like you were together, she just wouldn't accuse you of cheating on her. If that didn't happen, then she was not your romance.

I fail to see how gated romances diminishes an open world game. Red Dead Redemption was a solid open world game, and I didn't feel the experience was made worse by the player not having the ability to choose a romance.

[Domiel Angelus]

Then the game fails as wish fulfillment since you can not Romance Sera as a male, Dorian as a female, Cullen as a male, Cole as anyone (etc). These people are not interested in you no matter how much you want them to be and no, stat no conversation choice will change that. So since you've already accepted that, I don't see the issue. Especially since you are complaining without knowing "WHY" they are "race-gated" or even who is race gated.

 

 

 

 

By this logic, Bioware should waste time and resources shoehorning a romance into every major character just in case someone wants to romance them. I vehemently oppose turning Dragon Age into a dating sim just because some one somewhere thinks Cole needs a little loving despite his mental maturity.

 

 

 

Going by past games, I think they've got party banter down and do not need to force flirting in just for the sake of some comedy.

 

I'm agreeing with you more and more with one exception here, you say his mental maturity but other than the Tranquil and Sandal all mental states in this game have been shown to be temporary. A veil of crazy whisked over the person that could easily be removed by a quest, potion or spell. Who's to say we won't get a  quest chain that changes his demeanor entirely when he figures out exactly whom or what he is.

[Domiel Angelus]

So romances aren't about sex, but in every bioware game up to this point, sex has been the ultimate arrival point for a character in the romancing chain, say for 1 or 2 exceptions. You talk, you get to know them, they confess their feelings, and then they come up to your quarters for some sex, and I'm pretty sure if you turn them down on their offer of sex, because maybe your possible impending death doesn't do for a good turn on in rping your character, then you lose the romance, or at least it suffers.

 

So how are romances not about sex again, the sex scene plays such a pivotal role in the romances?

 

The romance with Sebastian doesn't end in sex, and yes you can romance him. He doesn't consummate the relationship due to currently holding a vow of Chastity. How this would play out if they decide to bring him back is yet to be seen. I had him leave my party instead of Fenris as he takes the high road if you choose to assist Anders instead of sending him off to execution.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The romance with Sebastian doesn't end in sex, and yes you can romance him. He doesn't consummate the relationship due to currently holding a vow of Chastity. How this would play out if they decide to bring him back is yet to be seen. I had him leave my party instead of Fenris as he takes the high road if you choose to assist Anders instead of sending him off to execution.

 

That doesn't answer the question. I already accounted for cases like sebastians with "in every bioware game up to this point, sex has been the ultimate arrival point for a character in the romancing chain, say for 1 or 2 exceptions."

 

He counts as the 1 or 2 exceptions. Exceptions do not make or break a rule, and the rule in most bioware games as far as romancing someone is concerned, is that the main objective is sex, and once you do that, its the end of the road. Either turn it down and lose all the chemistry, or go through with it and have little to no ability to interact with them after that point.

[Domiel Angelus]

That doesn't answer the question. I already accounted for cases like sebastians with "in every bioware game up to this point, sex has been the ultimate arrival point for a character in the romancing chain, say for 1 or 2 exceptions."

 

He counts as the 1 or 2 exceptions. Exceptions do not make or break a rule, and the rule in most bioware games as far as romancing someone is concerned, is that the main objective is sex, and once you do that, its the end of the road. Either turn it down and lose all the chemistry, or go through with it and have little to no ability to interact with them after that point.

 

In DA: O it had to end in intercourse, in DA2 you got the achievement and then the option of how to proceed, just because you jumped to sex doesn't mean everyone did. 

[X Equestris]

In DA: O it had to end in intercourse, in DA2 you got the achievement and then the option of how to proceed, just because you jumped to sex doesn't mean everyone did.

The vast majority did, and that is enough to state that the ultimate goal of Bioware romances tends to be sex.

[In Exile]

Darn right I'm entitled. I played DA:O and Awakening and loved them dearly and a large portion of what made them so much fun is being junked out the window. The amount times where it was a choice that's not a choice coming up in Bioware games is far more prevalent than ever before. Gating romances is another way of saying "you don't get a choice in your play style"

As of this point its only two that we know of that are gated, the game still has two months before launch and they're very tightly keeping it all under wraps to hide everything else. So far there's 2 gated and 2 non-options, what if I really really wanted to romance Varrick? You don't get to in DA2 and he was pretty much my favorite companion. I understand swapping out Leliana for some new blood but what about all of the other cast members we haven't seen anything about? There's way too much wound up in other characters that we may never even hear a peep from again.

Its not just gating that bugs me, its the lack of squad banter in so many games now as well. How many times did you walk over the bridge in Lothering or the front space of the Dalish camp to see what they're going to say? Its the little finicky bits that make the game most interesting to me and little by little I see them getting ebbed out with the new content.

You're right. DAI should have only had 4 romance options, 3 of which are accessible to any one gender at a time. Offering 8 options, some with more limitations is a fundamental betrayal.

[Seboist]

So romances aren't about sex, but in every bioware game up to this point, sex has been the ultimate arrival point for a character in the romancing chain, say for 1 or 2 exceptions. You talk, you get to know them, they confess their feelings, and then they come up to your quarters for some sex, and I'm pretty sure if you turn them down on their offer of sex, because maybe your possible impending death doesn't do for a good turn on in rping your character, then you lose the romance, or at least it suffers.

 

So how are romances not about sex again, the sex scene plays such a pivotal role in the romances?

 

It's so obvious that the ultimate reward and ahem, "climax" of the "romances" in BW games is sex. Who are these people trying to kid?

[Domiel Angelus]

You're right. DAI should have only had 4 romance options, 3 of which are accessible to any one gender at a time. Offering 8 options, some with more limitations is a fundamental betrayal.

 

If those four romances are better fleshed out than the eight they're giving us, then yes. I have a feeling that some of the characters that they're dangling in front of us are going to fall completely flat. The DA:O romances were very well fleshed out even though some people did the "Oh gifts and love me" routine, and the ones in DA2 went quite well because there was already a founded backround of information on at least  2 of the characters you were allowed to romance. 

That left three wild cards to learn about, which was a good mix of the new and the old. The only one currently that you can say you've actually had dealings with in any regard is Cullen, Cassandra was in her own movie, yes, which means she's a known quantity but you as a player only got to see her in cut scenes with Varric.

 

I may only be speculating as well, but that's what all of us are doing currently. We're only seeing the portions that we're being allowed to see and making judgement calls from that. By locking people out of romances, you don't let the player really make any decisions. They may be good romances, yes, but they still shouldn't just go "Nope, not happening, not going to work. What time is it? Not going to work o' clock."  The best part of a romance story, novel or game quest line is the trials and tribulations of getting to that pinnacle, I had a lot of fun working my way through as a male mage to get Fenris to do the "Dance with No Pants" because it was a good dialogue set but it wasn't easy and made it worth it. 

[Ranadiel Marius]

Or the fact that he asks you about what should happen if things go past just a massage. Honestly I don't understand the 'Zeveran ninjamanced me!' thing since in the runs I remember he had a lot of 'Does that make you uncomfortable? I'm not overstepping my boundaries with you am I? Are you alright with me saying that?' type of dialog. You'd have to cover both eyes and ears to miss all of that.

 

As I recall, when I was "ninjamanced" by Zervan it was because one of the responses to one of his "Does that make you uncomfortable," dialogues was something along the lines of "I don't mind you looking," or "Feel free to keep looking." My intent for the tone of the response was something to the effect of, "Yeah whatever, I won't freak out if you check me out." Writer's intent for that line's tone was "Oh yes please do, it makes me quite happy." Then next conversation I quickly realized we were in a romance track and I had to break it off with him and it was incredibly awkward and I lost affection with him. >.>

Incidentally I love the introduction of tone indicators in DA2.

[Chron0id]

If it's a character in the game, we should be able to have the secks with him/her.  Period. I mean, come on people.  Don't you want the secks?  I know I want the secks!  Secks all around! 

 

Spoiler

I'm kidding

[Melca36]

Darn right I'm entitled. I played DA:O and Awakening and loved them dearly and a large portion of what made them so much  fun is being junked out the window. The amount times where it was a choice that's not a choice coming up in Bioware games is far more prevalent than ever before. Gating romances is another way of saying "you don't get a choice in your play style" 

 

As of this point its only two that we know of that are gated, the game still has two months before launch and they're very tightly keeping it all under wraps to hide everything else. So far there's 2 gated and 2 non-options, what if I really really wanted to romance Varrick? You don't get to in DA2 and he was pretty much my favorite companion. I understand swapping out Leliana for some new blood but what about all of the other cast members we haven't seen anything about? There's way too much wound up in other characters that we may never even hear a peep from again.

 

Its not just gating that bugs me, its the lack of squad banter in so many games now as well. How many times did you walk over the bridge in Lothering or the front space of the Dalish camp to see what they're going to say? Its the little finicky bits that make the game most interesting to me and little by little I see them getting ebbed out with the new content. 

 

 

Every BioWare game has been different.   They never do the same thing.

[HuldraDancer]

If it's a character in the game, we should be able to have the secks with him/her.  Period. I mean, come on people.  Don't you want the secks?  I know I want the secks!  Secks all around! 

 

Spoiler

I'm kidding

 

I read that as sacks and started thinking of ink sacks an amusing image of my Inquisitor throwing ink sacks at everyone danced around in my mind. Thank you very much for that.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

If those four romances are better fleshed out than the eight they're giving us, then yes. I have a feeling that some of the characters that they're dangling in front of us are going to fall completely flat. The DA:O romances were very well fleshed out even though some people did the "Oh gifts and love me" routine, and the ones in DA2 went quite well because there was already a founded backround of information on at least  2 of the characters you were allowed to romance. 

That left three wild cards to learn about, which was a good mix of the new and the old. The only one currently that you can say you've actually had dealings with in any regard is Cullen, Cassandra was in her own movie, yes, which means she's a known quantity but you as a player only got to see her in cut scenes with Varric.

 

I may only be speculating as well, but that's what all of us are doing currently. We're only seeing the portions that we're being allowed to see and making judgement calls from that. By locking people out of romances, you don't let the player really make any decisions. They may be good romances, yes, but they still shouldn't just go "Nope, not happening, not going to work. What time is it? Not going to work o' clock."  The best part of a romance story, novel or game quest line is the trials and tribulations of getting to that pinnacle, I had a lot of fun working my way through as a male mage to get Fenris to do the "Dance with No Pants" because it was a good dialogue set but it wasn't easy and made it worth it. 

I think that person was being sarcastic, boy your dense. And your already judging romance options for a game that hasn't even been released yet yeah that makes sense. Look you got your attention with your little rant why don't you just cancel your pre-order, get your money back and move on to something else. Your making a fool out of yourself since most of the people replying to you are either making better sense than you are or just being sarcastic to you (and you reply to it like they were being serious). All this over an optional part of the game man high maintenance much?