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Yes, locking would be fine, as the OP saying joke thread then, definitely needs closed.

 

@Domiel Angelus.  Gaider said this in an interview. The best romance scene he liked was The Darkness Game where you sit on the couch with girlfriend. How is this questionable. Plutonic is what you see yourself, what me and Gaider saw was romantic. He even said in the same interview, it is better to have a more real relationship. After defeating a dragon, one may celebrate with you as LI, or get drinks and other things to be said in cheering of survival. Gaider mentioned this himself in an interview. its Dev words. :P

 

He wants the relationships to be more real than just gift gift sex and done. This is why gifts are gone. Devs even said that.



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So after I compliment someone, bring up the possibilities of platonic relationships and you say you don't care, you say it needs to get locked?

 

You claim it to be a joke thread, so yea it should be locked then



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Yes, locking would be fine, as the OP saying joke thread then, definitely needs closed.

 

@Domiel Angelus.  Gaider said this in an interview. The best romance scene he liked was The Darkness Game where you sit on the couch with girlfriend. How is this questionable. Plutonic is what you see yourself, what me and Gaider saw was romantic. He even said in the same interview, it is better to have a more real relationship. After defeating a dragon, one may celebrate with you as LI, or get drinks and other things to be said in cheering of survival. Gaider mentioned this himself in an interview. its Dev words. :P

 

He wants the relationships to be more real than just gift gift sex and done. This is why gifts are gone. Devs even said that.

 

The issue with this example the dev brings up is she's never exclusively marked as his girlfriend. In the comic book its clearly defined that Jenny is his childhood friend, not his girlfriend. Platonic by definition: (of love or friendship) intimate and affectionate but not sexual; can still be romantic, its just not sexual in any way. 

 

 

You claim it to be a joke thread, so yea it should be locked then

 

There's a difference between not serious and a joke. If you take everything so seriously then you're going to have wrinkles all over your face before you're 30. Yes, I'm still irritated by the gating, but I have taken other people's opinions into account and still want to play the game to at least test the waters and figure out if it helps the game progress or stunts the story. 

 

There are several portions in DA2 where the progress of the story was definitely helped along by your love interest, such as Isabella coming back when you were facing the Qun and the Arishok which also leads to a confrontation that would not be allowed if you didn't choose her side of things. So what many of you consider 'a side mission' can make the game a very different playing field. 



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am I speaking for the masses now?



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Yes, locking would be fine, as the OP saying joke thread then, definitely needs closed.

 

@Domiel Angelus.  Gaider said this in an interview. The best romance scene he liked was The Darkness Game where you sit on the couch with girlfriend. How is this questionable. Plutonic is what you see yourself, what me and Gaider saw was romantic. He even said in the same interview, it is better to have a more real relationship. After defeating a dragon, one may celebrate with you as LI, or get drinks and other things to be said in cheering of survival. Gaider mentioned this himself in an interview. its Dev words. :P

 

He wants the relationships to be more real than just gift gift sex and done. This is why gifts are gone. Devs even said that.

That was actually Laidlaw who said that.



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@Domiel Angelus, missing the point......  edit: You are stuck with those two characters specifically, not the point or idea coming across. if you got it, then please quit correcting that, cause it keeps missing the point of bringing it up.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks HiroVoid, my mistake.  :)


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There was gating in DA:O. There were no romances in Awakening.

 

That always irked me a bit, considering they did add a few very interesting prospects to the game. It however was a good idea as they also resurrect your Warden if you sacrificed yourself at the end of the game, so it's as if you had fun with Morrigan, or told Alistair or Loghain to do it. It keeps you tethered to whomever you romanced in the first game and you even get a nice little blurb about what happens to you and your significant other.

 

The only gating in the first game was orientation, which I didn't mind.



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Resurrect our warden in Awakening?  It was an orlesian warden that gets played if The Warden sacrificed themselves. I never play Awakening if Warden sacrifices though.



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Resurrect our warden in Awakening?  It was an orlesian warden that gets played if The Warden sacrificed themselves. I never play Awakening if Warden sacrifices though.

 

Yes, if you load a saved game from a time where you sacrificed your warden, he pops up like a daisy as if nothing was wrong and continues into the expansion. They act as though you took Morrigan's deal and all of the dialogue between characters suggests that. This was an option to allow you to continue the use of the same character without any underlying repercussions to your original choices. 

 

@Domiel Angelus, missing the point......  edit: You are stuck with those two characters specifically, not the point or idea coming across. if you got it, then please quit correcting that, cause it keeps missing the point of bringing it up.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks HiroVoid, my mistake.  :)

 

I'm not missing the point in your statement, the love they share is romantic and yes, Jackie Estacado is a one woman man, at least during that arc of the story. The game you and the game designer chose however has one large over-arching flaw when you choose to bring it into the light: Its a founded comic book first and the designers kept as close to the original story line and founded lore as they could. So yes, Jackie loves her and only her for a very long time even after she's dead for many years so in the game as it follows the first arc in both iterations of the comic book she is the only option.

 

That's a plot hole that you're stepping over with a ten foot ladder in your discussion of platonic love. It has a 100% pre-generated backround story, where as one of the previous posters stated Dragon Age is a story driven RPG. So think of it as the difference between a graphic novel and a choose your own adventure book, one has a clear concise beginning, middle and end; the other has branching paths to assist in the enjoyment of the reader.  

 

In both Dragon Age and Mass Effect you have what could be considered platonic or bromances with every character in the game if you so please. By adding Race Gating and Xenophobia into the characters of Dragon Age, you throw an extremely odd monkey wrench into the mix of the game itself. This doesn't make just romances difficult, it will make even becoming friends with the characters difficult because with the breadth of character back story granted it will certainly have issues arise.  You're supposed to be a hero, recruiting an elite band of companions to save the world. When Xenophobia is added into the mix, not just the enmity between Mages and Templars, you now have to take careful track of every step you make. There's always that chance that one of your new found compatriots may just decide that betraying you because you're a dwarf or an elf is better for their cause than saving the world.  They may just say "You know, I'd really like to survive this, but if I can take out that guy before I go it may not be so bad"

 

Note: I had to put up a new post because the first one bugged out. 



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Resurrect our warden in Awakening?  It was an orlesian warden that gets played if The Warden sacrificed themselves. I never play Awakening if Warden sacrifices though.


That's actually true. If your warden dies and you import to Awakening, it would be your warden there. The Orlesian Warden-Commander only comes up if you don't import. I don't think it will be that way in the Keep, but that is how it works out in game.

In both Dragon Age and Mass Effect you have what could be considered platonic or bromances with every character in the game if you so please. By adding Race Gating and Xenophobia into the characters of Dragon Age, you throw an extremely odd monkey wrench into the mix of the game itself. This doesn't make just romances difficult, it will make even becoming friends with the characters difficult because with the breadth of character back story granted it will certainly have issues arise.  You're supposed to be a hero, recruiting an elite band of companions to save the world. When Xenophobia is added into the mix, not just the enmity between Mages and Templars, you now have to take careful track of every step you make. There's always that chance that one of your new found compatriots may just decide that betraying you because you're a dwarf or an elf is better for their cause than saving the world.  They may just say "You know, I'd really like to survive this, but if I can take out that guy before I go it may not be so bad"
 
Note: I had to put up a new post because the first one bugged out.


How did you jump from race-gating to xenophobia? Simply not being attracted to humans/elves/dwarves/qunari is not xenophobic. And considering the sort of villain we will probably have, I don't think companions will betray you just because you're something they aren't attracted to

Your point about race-gating affecting friendship falls rather flat. You might not be attracted to someone, but that doesn't mean that you can't be friends. They just don't find you sexually attractive.
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You see, you're saying don't buy it, but I've already paid for it and now I'm seeing all of this stuff :P. Not only did I buy it sight unseen, I gave them enough benefit of the doubt to upgrade to the Inquisitor's Edition, not Deluxe, the crazy one. 

 

 

I keep telling people that pre-ordering anything is a bad idea, but nobody ever listens.


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Yes, if you load a saved game from a time where you sacrificed your warden, he pops up like a daisy as if nothing was wrong and continues into the expansion. They act as though you took Morrigan's deal and all of the dialogue between characters suggests that. This was an option to allow you to continue the use of the same character without any underlying repercussions to your original choices.


I remember hearing that was a bug as it wasn't supposed to happen if your Warden died

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Hey OP, look who I found.

 

 

I found you.

 

O/t, but is that for real?

 

If so that dad should have sold the car and gave her a bicycle instead. 



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edit: double post 



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probably staged, but always a chance it isn't



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Soooo race-gating TWO LIs OUT OF EIGHT, is spoiling the open world ?

 

....right :unsure:

 

At the time that we first learned about this, we didn't know how any people were race-gated. So for all we knew, only two romances were non prejudiced.

 

Now that it's only two, the initial backlash from folks like myself may have been overzealous. (I still stand by my objections to any race-gating at all, but since it's only 2 then we'll just see who they are and how BW handles them)



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We're not even know for sure it will be 2 characters. It may only be one actually.



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We're not even know for sure it will be 2 characters. It may only be one actually.

 

They already said it was 2 characters



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Well, I remember Patrick's tweet about people telling him what the hell and why did they make 2 characters racegated. He answered that it's pretty funny to hear actually, because he didn't say that

I haven't seen anything since then. I've missed something?



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That's actually true. If your warden dies and you import to Awakening, it would be your warden there. The Orlesian Warden-Commander only comes up if you don't import. I don't think it will be that way in the Keep, but that is how it works out in game.


How did you jump from race-gating to xenophobia? Simply not being attracted to humans/elves/dwarves/qunari is not xenophobic. And considering the sort of villain we will probably have, I don't think companions will betray you just because you're something they aren't attracted to

Your point about race-gating affecting friendship falls rather flat. You might not be attracted to someone, but that doesn't mean that you can't be friends. They just don't find you sexually attractive.

 

If their prejudices are that bad then they will border on xenophobia not just disinterest, then they very well may give into them. As many posters have brought up, they're trying to make richer characters by giving them back round information to grant them more human-like qualities. They had already had people attempt to kill you over using apostate magic after you rescued them ala rescuing the Tower of Mages if you're using non-sanctioned magic in front of Wynne. There's also several portions in the first game that were cut from the original where you can turn Morrigan over at your leisure if you consider apostates that dangerous. The dwarves had to have their dirty laundry pretty much dragged through the streets in DA:O if you weren't a dwarf before they'd listen to anything you had to say. You are even allowed to betray the Dalish elves to the werewolves if you so desire and the game itself plays on your sensibilities even more if you're a human PC because there are no elven or dwarf werewolves.

 

In DAII, the Dalish elves also refuse to assist Hawke in various situations until you bring Merrill along so there's definitely extreme tensions among the species already present in the world to the point of complete mistrust. 

 

If the characters you're dealing with are that bad then you may have a situation like that on your hands. So it doesn't just become a question of race-gating at that point, it becomes a question of how far are they taking their hostilities towards other races, will they simply be sexual preference or will they be game changing enough to warrant a betrayal and slaying a now no longer companion?



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 .....because there are no elven or dwarf werewolves.

 

Yes there is... Valana(?) she give you her red scarf to give her husband. The Dalish can turn into werewolves...



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Yes there is... Valana(?) she give you her red scarf to give her husband. The Dalish can turn into werewolves...

Don't know if that was her name exactly but yes she was a dalish elf who had become a werewolf 



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You are even allowed to betray the Dalish elves to the werewolves if you so desire and the game itself plays on your sensibilities even more if you're a human PC because there are no elven or dwarf werewolves.

 

Uhm, Danyla was an elf cursed to be a werewolf... 



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Yes there is... Valana(?) she give you her red scarf to give her husband. The Dalish can turn into werewolves...

 

 

Don't know if that was her name exactly but yes she was a dalish elf who had become a werewolf 

 

All three of us had the same idea. It was Danyla who gave the warden her scarf. 



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I think its time this thread see its end its went way off topic now (even though the topic itself was a joke) 


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