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[Tishina]

I've been wondering, how many of you here are fans of Dagna and scout Harding? 

I think that's probably almost everyone in this thread. I have hopes for Harding since Cameron Lee seemed to like her.

[Tishina]

Harrowmont was too traditional for me, but is there a reason not to side against him as Aeducan? 

My Ozera Aeducan PT put Harrowmont on the throne, but she was fairly suspicious of him (but couldn't bring herself to side with Bhelen). It's the only time I've been able to side with Harrowmont, though.

 

My latest PT with a male Aeducan, though, cemented my suspicions of Harrowmont. Before Enderin tells your PC to go to Aeducan Thaig, only he and Harrowmont knew of the plan. There's no reason Trian should have known where your PC was going, much less have enough time to set up an ambush, and there are other suspicious points. I came to the conclusion that Harrowmont set it up to try to get rid of both your PC and Trian, but didn't count on Trian telling Bhelen or Bhelen being ready to take advantage of the situation. There are other things I consider suspicious too, and despite what he did, I like Bhelen's ideas better.

[veeia]

Has anyone done Harrowmont with Brosca? I'd love to hear a Brosca's reasoning on that, as well as if you get dialogue from your mother/Rica about it

[Tishina]

Has anyone done Harrowmont with Brosca? I'd love to hear a Brosca's reasoning on that, as well as if you get dialogue from your mother/Rica about it

Nope, little nephew has to be an Aeducan, so no Harrowmont.

[Gilsa]

Has anyone done Harrowmont with Brosca? I'd love to hear a Brosca's reasoning on that, as well as if you get dialogue from your mother/Rica about it

 

I don't remember the reasoning for it -- I think it really was just something as simple as thinking Harrowmont is a nicer guy, just like any non-dwarf player would pick him as well. Rica is furious and feels betrayed the entire time you are doing A Paragon of Her Kind. In the end, when she shows up at the coronation:

 

Brosca: "Sorry I got your husband killed."

Rica: "Bah, it worked out fine. My son will be the Aeducan heir, and I don't have a husband to boss me around. I should thank you."

 

There is an option to tell Harrowmont that your sister is Bhelen's concubine and to ask that he provide for her and her son as a condition of agreeing to work for him.

 

Edit: Found it.

 

Brosca: "My sister is Bhelen's concubine. If you become king ..."

Harrowmont: "Your sister ... I see. this is new to me."

Harrowmont: "What happens to her is more House Aeducan's concern than my own, but I promise no harm will come to her by my doing."

 

When Brosca talks to Leske:

 

Leske: "Yeah, he's everybody's favorite. Beloved of the ancestors, upholder of Orzammar's traditions, blah, blah, blah. Still doesn't exactly make him the champion of Dust Town, you know."

[veeia]

Thanks Gilsa! I don't think I could ever play that, but I'm glad to see it doesn't end horribly for poor Rica

[Gilsa]

No sweat. I'm sorry the old groups are gone because there was a dwarf group that dug through the tool set and we'd explore the dialogue trees and shared any notes we found by the writers with instructions for the voice actors. All that seems to be lost as I can't find the group again, much less access what was posted. I do remember that there's an encounter with Wynne and Sten separately, but you needed to meet certain conditions to trigger it. Mainly when you play both sides against each other. Sten doesn't have the patience for it and Wynne will argue with Aeducan/Brosca about agreeing to work for Harrowmont, but secretly be on Bhelen's side. She'll ask "what are you doing?" and point out Bhelen's lack of morals and the fact that he's responsible for what happened to Aeducan. You could tell her to mind her own business or agree.

 

If you have an old save in Origins before you do Paragon of Her Kind, you can agree to work for Harrowmont and listen to Rica's outrage. You wouldn't have to replay the whole game.

[vertigomez]

Remember that Aeducan was also trained to be a commander and lead an army. You could RP him as a general leading troops into the Deep Roads to beat back the darkspawn in order to reclaim the lost thiags and restore the empire. I saw my Aeducan as Duncan 2.0 so it was easy to focus on the battle and leave the politics to the others. The goals of the dwarven army and the Grey Wardens dovetail very nicely.

Ah, forgot about that! (Wow, I'm a bad dwarf fan lmao.) I like the idea of an... intellectual history buff who's also militarily minded. Likes to smash darkspawn because DWARVEN GLORY!!1 but also because genlocks are great for when you can't take out your frustration on your scheming social circle. Or I guess you could, in a Proving... but then you might end up like Oghren.

*sigh* I love dwarves.

[Vaseldwa]

Greetings Salrokas,

 

I was wondering do any of you know if it is mentioned in DAI about house Cadash aiding the elves when they fled the surface? (back when there empire fell) 

[TEWR]

Greetings Salrokas,

 

I was wondering do any of you know if it is mentioned in DAI about house Cadash aiding the elves when they fled the surface? (back when there empire fell) 

 

That was actually House Cad'Halash, not house Cadash. Small difference, but important nonetheless. And no, it's not mentioned as far as I know. It wasn't exactly common knowledge

[Vaseldwa]

That was actually House Cad'Halash, not house Cadash. Small difference, but important nonetheless. And no, it's not mentioned as far as I know. It wasn't exactly common knowledge

 

ah ok, yea now I remember. Its been awhile so I wasnt sure. 

[Sir Froggie]

A sort of side profile of Wojech.

 

[Sir Froggie]

Making kissy faces with Josie.

[Shark17676]

Well, my dwarf Inquisitor just Rode the Bull.

 

I have to say, I liked it even more than when I romanced him with my Qunari.  They're adorable together.

[Eterna]

My Ozera Aeducan PT put Harrowmont on the throne, but she was fairly suspicious of him (but couldn't bring herself to side with Bhelen). It's the only time I've been able to side with Harrowmont, though.

 

 

I've never understood this. "My Aeducan obviously put Harrowmont on the throne, Bhelen betrayed me!!". 

 

To Dwarves their clan and heritage is everything, they take far more pride not in themselves, but in the standing of their families. A Dwarven noble would always prefer to place a member of their family on a powerful position because they are not looking out for themselves, their personal issues and arguments are second to their families standing.  In fact, as opposed to being shocked and feeling betrayed, it would be far more in line with Dwarven culture to respect Bhelen more after such an act of betrayal because he outplayed and beat you at the game. It is actually quite similar to the Orlesian "game". 

 

Any Dwarven noble should be trying to get themselves on the throne, if this is not possible and the noble is disqualified for reasons, like being a Grey Warden, they would settle for the next bet thing, getting another of their clan on the throne to continue the legacy of their bloodline. 

 

Any Aeducan Warden who put Harrowmont on the throne due to Bhelen betraying them was being played by a person who gave their Dwarven Warden a human mindset. 

[daveliam]

I've never understood this. "My Aeducan obviously put Harrowmont on the throne, Bhelen betrayed me!!". 

 

To Dwarves their clan and heritage is everything, they take far more pride not in themselves, but in the standing of their families. A Dwarven noble would always prefer to place a member of their family on a powerful position because they are not looking out for themselves, their personal issues and arguments are second to their families standing.  In fact, as opposed to being shocked and feeling betrayed, it would be far more in line with Dwarven culture to respect Bhelen more after such an act of betrayal because he outplayed and beat you at the game. It is actually quite similar to the Orlesian "game". 

 

Any Dwarven noble should be trying to get themselves on the throne, if this is not possible and the noble is disqualified for reasons, like being a Grey Warden, they would settle for the next bet thing, getting another of their clan on the throne to continue the legacy of their bloodline. 

 

Any Aeducan Warden who put Harrowmont on the throne due to Bhelen betraying them was being played by a person who gave their Dwarven Warden a human mindset. 

 

I disagree with this.  The dwarves of Orzammar aren't a hive mind.  We see that there are varying levels of interest and skill in playing the political game there.  While it makes a great story to play a cunning, politically savvy, and ambitious Aeducan, there's nothing to suggest that every dwarf noble has to have this outlook.

 

I think it makes perfect sense for an Aeducan to be fiercely loyal to Endrin.  As the favored child, to see both Trian and Endrin die because of the actions of Bhelen and then combine with the fact that your father clearly favored Harrowmont and Harrowmont will accept your son into his noble house, I can easily imagine a scenario where an Aeducan Warden could view supporting Harrowmont as: 1.) honoring your father's wishes; and 2.) providing a safe and stable environment and future for your son; both of which support the dwarven notion of family and lineages without supporting Bhelen.

 

Again, supporting Bhelen could absolutely make sense.  But not supporting Bhelen could as well.  It doesn't mean we're playing our dwarves wrong.

[herkles]

What I like about the Bahlen vs Harrowmount choice is that both choices make sense depending on your character. 

 

anyways I wonder what Kal-Sharok is like and how it differs from Orzammar, and of course if we might see it in a dlc or da4

[daveliam]

What I like about the Bahlen vs Harrowmount choice is that both choices make sense depending on your character. 

 

anyways I wonder what Kal-Sharok is like and how it differs from Orzammar, and of course if we might see it in a dlc or da4

 

Me too.  On both accounts.

 

I was very excited when we saw a dwarven city in one of the early trailers for DA: I.  Either it got cut or it got reimagined as Valammar.

 

Hopefully we will get to see Kal-Sharok going forward.  It could make sense if we head north in the next game, right? 

[herkles]

Hopefully we will get to see Kal-Sharok going forward.  It could make sense if we head north in the next game, right? 

depends where in the north. If we are in Tevinter  as people like to think, then it is possible though more likely if we are in the anderfels. I do hope we go to Tevinter, as the dwarf part of their culture is an overlooked but rather awesome part of their culture. and even though it is further away we could get there via the deep roads.

[vertigomez]

I would really love some more dwarven focus in the next game. We've gotten some hints about ye magical dwarves of olde but otherwise it's pretty much, "DEEP ROADS!! DARKSPAWN!!1"

I guess I wanna hear more about... religious conflict with surfacers, like the Exalted March epilogue slide you get if you let Brother Burkel build a chantry. And Varric says there are "tens of thousands of us" living topside, so arguments over resources with humans and elves would be interesting! I dunno, just a thought. I like all these mundane conflicts...

[daveliam]

Who wants to see updated photos of the Further Adventures of Graeme Cadash?  Photos contain some plot spoilers (but anyone who has gotten to Skyhold will already know this stuff)......

 

Spoiler

 

I love how 'dwarfy' (as Sera would say) he looks in the last two pictures. 

 

I'm having a really hard time recreating my qunari in a way that I'm happy with him.  I trashed the one I posted last week.  Something just wasn't right.  I have some time before it's important (I've really just started getting to good stuff with Graeme and then I still have the Agathe playthrough), but I'm itching to get my Adaar Inquisitor back since he'll be my canon Inquisitor. 

[vertigomez]

I will NEVER get over how goodlooking that dwarf is.

Graeme for DA4 LI!

[herkles]

Here is what the world of thedas says on Tevinter Dwarves, rather interesting IMO

 

 

The dwarven kingdoms have enjoyed a close relationship with the Imperium for more than two thousand years. Their bond is evident in the Imperium's proving grounds and the massive stone golems known as juggernauts that guard the gates of Minrathous

 

A large number of surface dwarves live in the Imperium. They are not considered citizens but instead foreign dignitaries, even if their houses have lived in Tevinter for generations. Since the time of Archon darinius, Orzammar has had a sizable embassy in Minrathous. The dwarves now have embassies in every major Tevinter city, much like the dwarven enclaves found in other Thedosian nations. The difference between the dwarves of Tevinter and the dwarves of every other surface nation is that those in Tevinter have their own branch of government. 

 

The Ambassadoria is the dwarven body of representatives elected by the dwarves to advise the Archon and the Magisterium. The Ambassadoria functions less like a parliament and more like a lobby group. 

 

Lyrium is the primary reason Tevinter and the dwarves enjoy such a close political relationship. The magic centrictic Imperium is dependent on a steady supply of Lyrium from Orzammar. Without it, much of the imperium would literally  collapse. Magic is so prevalent in Tevinter that entire buildings are raised and often maintained by magic. 

 

The dwarven embassies, in Minrathous, Neromenian, and Qarious, are completely subterranean, because these embassies are still technically within the Stone, dwarves who serve there retain their castes - even if their families have spent generations outside of a thaig. Some of the dwarves in Tevinter live their entire lives within the confines of their Embassy, never stepping under the open sky. 

 

[MoonDrummer]

Doesn't the slide show at the end of origins say that dwarf noble becomes king after harrowmont dies?

[Andraste_Reborn]

My dwarf Inquisitor is famous! Well, sort of.

 

Last week, Nerd Appropriate asked for pictures of female Inquisitors and I tweeted them mine. This week they have an interview with Alix Wilton Regan up, using a collage of the images as background. That blond dwarf right in the centre there? That's my girl! I really did a double-take when I saw her .

 

Of course, now I feel slightly bad that she was actually voiced by Sumalee Montano ...