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[DalishRanger]

I think the game is about who the Inquisitor is in relation to Corypheus, yes. I'm not sure what you mean by "magic's place in it" though. My reading of it is that it's about how faith is something that always requires uncertainty....which is something Cory couldn't handle, and Quizzie has to. Cass's storyline does a much better job of laying this out than Quizzie's, but I think that's a side effect of how the theme only works if you play as a strong Andrastrian believer. Quizzie--even if they were only human-- is allowed a full spectrum of beliefs, so this can't be as reinforced as it is with her. 

 

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Damn, this topic made me run out of likes again, else I would've bestowed one on this fine post. Sorry veeia.

[veeia]

God I love that convo with Blackwall and romanced!Cadash so much. I wish it had been followed up on later so much, but even without that, it's just awesome. Those little moments of perfect reactivity (Dorian's convo is another great one to me) are what kill me, because I love them but also imagine if there had been a lot more of that? We could have had it aaaaaallllllllll, rolling in the deeeeeeeeeeeep (roads)" etc 

[Merela]

In the spirit of this post, here's a question for you folks: What's your Dwarf's stance on being a part of the Carta?

 

Fjalar used to be one of those persons who hate their job and complain and talk about leaving it all the time, but actually lack the guts to go through with it because they're too scared of what could come next. You can imagine how grateful he actually was when Cass offered him to join the Inquisition. No more father and brothers to make his life a living hell, no more shaddy smuggling deals, and plenty of people around sharing the same faith than he, all those things without being the one who decided to break it off.

[Gilsa]

...I'm sorry if this conversation is annoying to people here, but I often find it's through disagreements that I sort out my thoughts better. I'll try to post more silly dwarf stuff later, hehe. 

 

Not at all. I always read your posts. You articulate your thoughts well and process the game in ways I hadn't considered, which makes sense since you're a writer. (I'm more of a dialogue/choice nerd.) I just rarely have anything to add to your contributions, but I do read 'em! =D

[Zetrial]

In the spirit of this post, here's a question for you folks: What's your Dwarf's stance on being a part of the Carta?

 

Nasir was only doing it as a means to survive. He never much cared for being a mercenary and smuggler or a criminal, even though he was good at it. He led a company during the Blight and in fact traveled down to Ferelden to meet the Darkspawn head-on (and oversee some lyrium deals with Rogek after word hit the Cadash syndicate that he was back in business) and that's where he met my DN, Leliana, Shale, and a few other people in my 10 Wardens and Companions WS. And after meeting my DN, he was offered a position as the Left Hand of the King, essentially. He took it because it seemed more honorable then being a Carta thug all his life... along with how my DN stirred some passions Nasir never really knew he had, in regards to Dwarves.

 

 

 

I must know where and how he says this.

 

It would be one of Dorian's conversations in 'In Hushed Whispers' when you 2 are ripped into the future. Water dripping and the gates in the background really give it away, I vaguely remember seeing it one there, but I cannot recall where exactly.

 

As for my Skraal Cadash's stance on being part of the Carta, his family has a bloody history with them, not that he is overly aware of all the details, but he still signed up, as his adopted brother Lantos and Lantos's twin sister Lyca fell in with that crowd as they were growing up. Being decent with a sword and valuing what little family he had left, he strove to be Lantos and Lyca's shield. Lantos had been the merchant of the 3, handling the business while Lyca handled 'procurement', Skraal fell in to being part of the muscle of the group with a few others. He didn't have Lantos' tongue or Lyca's guile, just a decent sword hand and a willingness to get his hands muddied if it meant keeping them safe.

The Dasher assigned Lyca and her guards to spy and try to make some contacts to be exploited post Conclave, little did any of them know, only 1 would be walking away from it.

[Cespar]

I'm using the British voice for my dwarf, and American for my qunari, since these are the two characters that I'm focused the most on. 

 

Cespar dreamed about more things of the world, but only settled with the Carta, because he probably knew he wouldn't fit in anywhere else. He never complained about the Carta, because they did raise him and teach him about the skills he uses to help him in his daily life. Even when he "obtain" the mark on his hand, he would randomly smile, making Cassandra and Varric look at each other with curiosity and a little bit of fear, because this dwarf was randomly laughing to himself.  

[DalishRanger]

...I'm sorry if this conversation is annoying to people here, but I often find it's through disagreements that I sort out my thoughts better. I'll try to post more silly dwarf stuff later, hehe. 

 

Nah, disagreements are fine as long as we don't devolve into flame wars or too far off topic. If anything, I see a lot of disagreement on here in terms of how we all play our dwarves, but we're often more "compare and contrast" about it, which is why it might seem different at first to more directly debate.

 

Fjalar used to be one of those persons who hate their job and complain and talk about leaving it all the time, but actually lack the guts to go through with it because they're too scared of what could come next. You can imagine how grateful he actually was when Cass offered him to join the Inquisition. No more father and brothers to make his life a living hell, no more shaddy smuggling deals, and plenty of people around sharing the same faith than he, all those things without being the one who decided to break it off.

 

Dorn was similar in some ways, though he isn't Andrastean, nor does he worship the Stone. He's pretty live and let live and more "let's attend to the here and now and worry about the spirit stuff later" kind of guy. He does miss some of his family and companions in the Carta, and there's parts of that life he enjoys and still keeps a connection with, but the more brutal and cutthroat aspects he's happy to leave behind. Well, for the most part. The Inquisition's not without its own messiness. At least here he can crack some skulls for the greater good, and not just to line some deshyr's pockets.

[Zetrial]

Funny, Nasir didn't have that Flissa comment in his meeting with her on my second playthrough. He got it the first time but she was just like "Oh hello there" this time.

 

You probably talked to her before meeting the advisors, only after that discussion where they mention about you being the Herald of Andraste does Flissa head down that conversation path.

 

OK, a few shots of Zhenya, none of them great. I think I need to turn off blood spatters when I want photos

 

Spoiler

 

Bloodsplatter is part of the charm though!

[sandalisthemaker]

It would be one of Dorian's conversations in 'In Hushed Whispers' when you 2 are ripped into the future. Water dripping and the gates in the background really give it away, I vaguely remember seeing it one there, but I cannot recall where exactly.

 

As for my Skraal Cadash's stance on being part of the Carta, his family has a bloody history with them, not that he is overly aware of all the details, but he still signed up, as his adopted brother Lantos and Lantos's twin sister Lyca fell in with that crowd as they were growing up. Being decent with a sword and valuing what little family he had left, he strove to be Lantos and Lyca's shield. Lantos had been the merchant of the 3, handling the business while Lyca handled 'procurement', Skraal fell in to being part of the muscle of the group with a few others. He didn't have Lantos' tongue or Lyca's guile, just a decent sword hand and a willingness to get his hands muddied if it meant keeping them safe.

The Dasher assigned Lyca and her guards to spy and try to make some contacts to be exploited post Conclave, little did any of them know, only 1 would be walking away from it.

 

This is why I love the Carta background. I can imagine that my guy was shady and ruthless, and yet he tries to put his past behind him and be the hero that everyone expects him to be.  And yet deep down he knows he's just a simple dwarf with a bad boy past and if people found out about it, they'd be pretty shocked and appalled.  That's probably why I like Blackwall so much BTW.

 

I like playing morally grey bad boys.  Too bad my Cadash doesn't have a knight in shining armor type to be his moral compass and keep him grounded.  Dorian is good for him though.

[Tishina]

...I'm sorry if this conversation is annoying to people here, but I often find it's through disagreements that I sort out my thoughts better. I'll try to post more silly dwarf stuff later, hehe. 

Not at all. I'm only bothered if it becomes pointlessly contentious so I think it threatens the thread. You state your ideas remarkably clearly and give me food for thought, believe me.

 

Some attitudes, you can't argue with because they have more to do with hurt feelings than logic, though, and my time is too valuable to engage when that's the case.

[DalishRanger]

^ Pretty much this, yes.

[Tishina]

 

Bloodsplatter is part of the charm though!

In her case, yes. But blood on the face kind of messes with the lines of her blood red tattoos

I also somehow posted them too small, but I'll have to take new ones and post them tomorrow or Monday.

[Zetrial]

This is why I love the Carta background. I can imagine that my guy was shady and ruthless, and yet he tries to put his past behind him and be the hero that everyone expects him to be.  And yet deep down he knows he's just a simple dwarf with a bad boy past and if people found out about it, they'd be pretty shocked and appalled.  That's probably why I like Blackwall so much BTW.

 

I like playing morally grey bad boys.  Too bad my Cadash doesn't have a knight in shining armor type to be his moral compass and keep him grounded.  Dorian is good for him though.

 

Exactly, as we get to say to Josie, here I was hoping you had something for a dashing rogue. We can be ambiguous, choose to charge rather than take the safe hill pass, turn Leliana into princess stabbity stab and have it all be within character. We don't need to be some white knight with a super chivalrous code, honour and loyalty can be far more personal than that.

[Tishina]

Exactly, as we get to say to Josie, here I was hoping you had something for a dashing rogue. We can be ambiguous, choose to charge rather than take the safe hill pass, turn Leliana into princess stabbity stab and have it all be within character. We don't need to be some white knight with a super chivalrous code, honour and loyalty can be far more personal than that.

Considering chivalric codes involve things like Chevaliers going into alienages and testing their blades on elves, I'd prefer a more moral code myself.

[veeia]

you guys.

 

Oh! The Carta, fun topic.

 

Hella hated the Carta, lmao. My backstory for her was very cliche mob boss daughter: stubborn, privileged, judgmental of what they did but still enjoyed the benefits of the lifestyle. She tried to run away, but her parents found her and brought her back and her attempts at running away were not very successful anyway because she had no life skills besides stabbing people and she idealizes the Dalish so she wanted to go find them and...well, she's a disaster, etc so she didn't (good for her tho they would have been like WHAT THE F*** GO AWAY). Anyway, so she settles into a weird self-righteous place where she condemns the Carta, but still does stuff for them, because she's afraid of her parents (they're not v nice) and also because what else can she do? So when she went to the conclave, she was like YES MAGIC YES ELVES YES YES FREEEDOOOM...I mean, uh, real sad about the Divine, wow, yeah. So sad. MAGIC AND ELVES AND COOL STUFF YESSSSS SUCK IT DAD BYE 

 

Olim was kicked out of Orzammar in his early teens and when he was younger, he dreamt that he could one day become a paragon and return to the Stone, like Paragon Aeducan had, but the reality of being a surfacer dwarf kind of beat it out of him. He's the dirtbag jokester, but he's also deeply religious and still follows the Stone. He never made close connections in the Carta, always feeling like an outsider, but he's smart as hell and manipulative and strategical, so he did well. The Carta in his world is pretty insular and promote-your-bff so he wasn't rising as fast as he could, and so he was hoping to gain some human allies at the conclave because he thinks the Carta thinks too small. Well, he did? 

[TEWR]

Nah, disagreements are fine as long as we don't devolve into flame wars or too far off topic. If anything, I see a lot of disagreement on here in terms of how we all play our dwarves, but we're often more "compare and contrast" about it, which is why it might seem different at first to more directly debate.

 

 

Dorn was similar in some ways, though he isn't Andrastean, nor does he worship the Stone. He's pretty live and let live and more "let's attend to the here and now and worry about the spirit stuff later" kind of guy. He does miss some of his family and companions in the Carta, and there's parts of that life he enjoys and still keeps a connection with, but the more brutal and cutthroat aspects he's happy to leave behind. Well, for the most part. The Inquisition's not without its own messiness. At least here he can crack some skulls for the greater good, and not just to line some deshyr's pockets.

 

Nasir's similar in that. He had a bunch of friends in the Carta, brothers and sisters he would share a pint with at the end of the day. Many of them died in the Conclave (merchants or guards or stealthy sorts) and he's dealing with some PTSD from that (really just from the large death toll itself) but he still has a bunch of good friends there and he writes to them.

[TEWR]

You can't even be a bad boy. If they did the Carta justice, you could play a manipulative douche who configures all the factions and politics to benefit the lyrium trade or whatever nefarious interests they have. 

 

No, you're the Herald.. and savior of the Chantry. At best, you're "direct". Not a "bad boy".

 

Hey now, Nasir's actions aren't geared to simply the lyrium trade... they're geared to the Dwarves' prosperity.

 

You think too small man.

[sandalisthemaker]

Exactly, as we get to say to Josie, here I was hoping you had something for a dashing rogue. We can be ambiguous, choose to charge rather than take the safe hill pass, turn Leliana into princess stabbity stab and have it all be within character. We don't need to be some white knight with a super chivalrous code, honour and loyalty can be far more personal than that.

 

I loved that we could fluster Josephine by giving her a taste of Cadash's ruthless past if we so choose. 

 

My Frederick was all, "Yeeeeeah..... I was hoping this would stay under wraps, but if you insist, I've murdered, stolen, murdered, smuggled, and murdered."

 

Josephine:  ........ Let's not speak of this evar!!1!

 

Lol.

[sandalisthemaker]

You can't even be a bad boy. If they did the Carta justice, you could play a manipulative douche who configures all the factions and politics to benefit the lyrium trade or whatever nefarious interests they have. 

 

No, you're the Herald.. and savior of the Chantry. At best, you're "direct". Not a "bad boy".

 

Background and headcanon, dahling.

[veeia]

Hey now, Nasir's actions aren't geared to simply the lyrium trade... they're geared to Orzammar's prosperity.

 

You think too small man.

 

Yeah, same with Olim. He was a Harrowmont import, so his two goals (longterm) would be to squish Harrowmont like a freaking bug (personal grudge + the whole he sucks business) and also to move up enough in the Carta to establish connections with Kal Sharok, because he pretty much lost all hope for Orzammar. (well not really but he doesn't want to hope there, because it's too painful and he's A STRONG MAN WHO CONTROLS OTHER PEOPLE, HES NOT CONTROLLED BY HIS FOOLISH DREAMS!!~~ what a dumbo I love him) 

 

That's actually why he and Dorian became so close at first, because Olim was like HRMMM HIGH RANKING TEVINTER MAGE HUH?? GOOD BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY ON MANY LEVELS. OH NO HE'S CUTE TOO. 

[Zetrial]

You can't even be a bad boy. If they did the Carta justice, you could play a manipulative douche who configures all the factions and politics to benefit the lyrium trade or whatever nefarious interests they have. 

 

No, you're the Herald.. and savior of the Chantry. At best, you're "direct". Not a "bad boy".

 

You do realise how massively broad that is right, it would be like saying any Human PC in this game would be out to further their family and have them proclaimed as the royal family of Ostwick. Just because a Human PC has family ties to nobles in Ostwick doesn't mean their goals are his, just as the Carta's plans may not be the plans of a Carta Dwarf.

I'm not out to save anything bar my own neck, I'm out for vengeance and woe to any who stand in my way. I treat the Chantry with disdain for becoming an obstacle, I send troops to 'protect' them after theTemplar's seceed. But, I may be influenced and affected by those around me, worn down to not be so harsh and driven, who is to say?