Hey there fellow Dwarves. Anyone here able to give me some advice on how to download a mod properly without tearing my beard out in frustration because I'm too daft to understand what to do with these fancy gadgets the younglings use these days?
I linked to the thread I made which itself has links to the mods in question.
What Merela posted will probably help you more than my text walkthrough. Great job Merela!
Speaking of the Stone, I thought I'd share this for anyone who was curious. Although this probably isn't new information to most people in this thread, I noticed from an earlier thread where Gaider went into the dwarven belief system:
Woooooow. I really like that actually.
I suppose tha t's why in Origins, my characters were very dwarven, particularly my nobles since they were raise in Orzzamar.
In contrast to my quizzy's, both Ardris, an Xavier are Andrastian. Not as zealous as perhaps, humans or elves, but since they never grew up in Orzzamar, but rather the Free Marches, plays heavily into their religious beliefs
I do, too. Even though my canon was a surfacer, I went with the "been to Orzammar hundreds of time" angle so she'd have exposure to dwarven culture and be impacted by their culture and thus be more inclined to go with the whole Stone attitude. The whole Andraste/Chantry thing feels confined to humans and I don't really see a easy way for her to be swayed to that perspective. I even picked up on this with Blackwall's surprise that the Herald wasn't human. I was a little stunned to see Varric declare his stance though and for Cassandra to bring up his beliefs in an argument with the Inquisitor later on. The game keeps getting more and more interesting. =p
My second dwarf feels it's all bunk and rejects both. Also never been to Orzammar. (I actually wanted to save the devout roleplay for a mage, if I get the chance to play as one. It gets boring if I keep picking the same dialogues on multiple characters.)
Question: Who did you get as Divine? I still don't care about that in any of my games, but I really should ponder on it more for the canon game that gets imported to the next game. My dwarf supported Leliana, even though she still didn't buy into any of the Chantry stuff, only because Leliana was all "and I'll make things equal for all elves and dwarves!" I just liked her equality angle. Reminded me of Brother Burkel even though I was like "OK, good luck with that."
I want to hear more of the ancient tongue or w/e it's calle
more than just 'salroka' stuff like that
Or a nice dwarven feast! With ale mugs, singing aplenty!
Hence more Origins HC.
I headcanon that when my Brosca, Arianna, had to return home on official business, Rica went all out to throw a massive welcome home bash. She, along with Zev, some of her fellow Wardens ha a really nice party.
Also, since she was casteless. As Fereldans' WC, she know sits in her old mentor's chair at Provings, while she scouts for potential hopefuls
If we can go to Kal-Sharok, that's much more likely to happen. The Orzammar dwarves speak the common tongue so they can trade with the surface, but Kal-Sharok does not have as much exposure to the surface so they retain their older ways of speaking.
Work on the thing continues. Think I'm getting better at drawing Dorn's hair, though looking at it more, I might still make some tweaks to it:
My second dwarf feels it's all bunk and rejects both. Also never been to Orzammar. (I actually wanted to save the devout roleplay for a mage, if I get the chance to play as one. It gets boring if I keep picking the same dialogues on multiple characters.)
Yeah, I tried to vary the beliefs between my characters too. Both Dorn and Hissran (my qunari) weren't particularly religious; the major difference is my qunari doesn't really believe in anything godlike, more powerful spirits sure - but nothing you'd call a god in the typical sense. And he was quite open about him not thinking he was a Herald, or that he thought his mark was magic, not Andraste/Maker bestowed. Dorn simply doesn't have strong feelings one way or the other. He's kind of skeptical but also unsure, can see it either way. At the end of the day, it's not super important to him what people think though - whatever works for them and so long as they get the job done, they can think of him what they want. He'd let the Herald stuff spread without directly encouraging it or discouraging - though with his close cohorts, he never hid the fact he had no freaking clue if he was divinely chosen or not. In a way, it's one of the things that draws him to Cassandra - he admires and sometimes envies her certainty in her convictions and faith, even when she questions things she's known or believed her whole life. Sometimes he wishes he could be as certain of things, religious or not.
Question: Who did you get as Divine? I still don't care about that in any of my games, but I really should ponder on it more for the canon game that gets imported to the next game. My dwarf supported Leliana, even though she still didn't buy into any of the Chantry stuff, only because Leliana was all "and I'll make things equal for all elves and dwarves!" I just liked her equality angle. Reminded me of Brother Burkel even though I was like "OK, good luck with that."
Because I romanced Cassandra and Leliana romanced my Warden in the same world state, I didn't want either of them on the Sunburst Throne. 
So Vivienne ended up being Divine - which works fine for me. I do think, personally, Cassandra's probably best in the long run - the more moderate, but still progressive - leader the Chantry needs. However, my canon world state isn't all about what I think makes for the "best" world, so much as the most interesting and what my characters I play would each individually pick based on who they are as people. Dorn would encourage Cassandra to rebuild the Seekers, not lead the Chantry as a new Divine (partly because while he thinks in some ways she'd be a good Divine, he thinks someone with more political savvy would be best, and partly because he's not quite that selfless and he wouldn't want to lose her. ), and with Leliana - he respects her skills and agrees with her on some points, but thinks she would be too radical and unstable; Vivienne was the logical choice for Dorn to support. My canon state is a mix of "ideal" (to me) choices and some I think, metagaming, are going to bite me in the ass in the future... but I find it interesting, regardless. Too bad my Warden was very straightforward and not politcially savvy enough to realize why Harrowmont was the worse option if he wanted the dwarves to move ahead. He just thought Harrowmont seemed more honest and honorable and Bhelen felt shady, so he picked accordingly. Look how that turned out. ;P
I love WIPs!! Looking forward to the finished version.
Edit: And good idea on keeping Leliana as not-Divine for the warden. I hadn't considered that.
Dorn simply doesn't have strong feelings one way or the other.
so Dorn is President neutral?
Thanks guys. 
Got Cassandra's head mostly inked, but my arm's starting to hurt and I'd rather not push my tendonitis too far when it's been fairly cooperative lately, so I think I'll take a break and either return to it later tonight or tomorrow.
so Dorn is President neutral?
Ha! In regards to Andrasteanism, the Stone and religion in general, pretty much. 
He has some stronger feelings on the Chantry as an institution, in that he thinks it's important for the balance of powers/a unifying force in the South, but agrees with Cassandra that it needs to change in some areas, like how they treat non-humans.
I love the reaction on Cass's face when Xavier told her he believed in the Maker too 
I picture a non-human andrastian's life sorta... sad..... always unwelcome, trying to go to the local chantry
Just to quote myself a few days ago on the religion question:
Zhenya is agnostic (in that she vaguely believes in gods, but no one's given her any reason to think they deserve to be worshipped) and doesn't like the Chantry, but she's probably the most honorable and most interested in the welfare of people, particularly ordinary people.
My Cadash who'll romance Cass will be mildly Andrastrian, in more or less the way Varric seems to be. I think people often forget that there are levels of involvement and belief in any religion, and often the majority of people who claim to a religion aren't that strongly involved or it's more of a cultural thing than spiritual, and that can include (and often does) the priesthood. I do think it makes perfect sense for a dwarf whose family has been above ground for generations and who has no place in the Shaperate religion to convert to Andrastrianism, even if just because it's good for business.
The other female Cadash I have in mind is going to be a believer in the Stone who either firmly asserts that (which doesn't seem to get you anywhere) or decides to play along to gain power (which is probably easiest to fit in with the conversations you have). She'll be perfectly happy to get everything she can out of their beliefs (which I think the game is set up to do just as much as the opposite).
I haven't gotten far enough to find out, but one of the Dalish I'm running currently is close to Zhenya in that she believes in both the Creators and the Maker, but she doesn't see any reason to worship them. That's resulted in some interesting conversation with Cassandra (and Mother Giselle if I recall) when she answers that yes, she believes in the Maker. They don't ask if she worships him or follows the Chantry's version of the religion. I like the outcome with Cass, though, when she comments that it's surprising but reassuring since I think that particular Dalish and Cass were sisters in another life. And yes, Cass's expression is wonderful.
Work on the thing continues. Think I'm getting better at drawing Dorn's hair, though looking at it more, I might still make some tweaks to it:
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Yeah, I tried to vary the beliefs between my characters too. Both Dorn and Hissran (my qunari) weren't particularly religious; the major difference is my qunari doesn't really believe in anything godlike, more powerful spirits sure - but nothing you'd call a god in the typical sense. And he was quite open about him not thinking he was a Herald, or that he thought his mark was magic, not Andraste/Maker bestowed. Dorn simply doesn't have strong feelings one way or the other. He's kind of skeptical but also unsure, can see it either way. At the end of the day, it's not super important to him what people think though - whatever works for them and so long as they get the job done, they can think of him what they want. He'd let the Herald stuff spread without directly encouraging it or discouraging - though with his close cohorts, he never hid the fact he had no freaking clue if he was divinely chosen or not. In a way, it's one of the things that draws him to Cassandra - he admires and sometimes envies her certainty in her convictions and faith, even when she questions things she's known or believed her whole life. Sometimes he wishes he could be as certain of things, religious or not.
Because I romanced Cassandra and Leliana romanced my Warden in the same world state, I didn't want them either on the Sunburst Throne.
Oh, he looks wonderful, and very recognizably your inquisitor. I can't wait to see the finished art!
I think I'm going to go with Cassandra as being the divine, even if it means she has to break up with Cadash. He probably won't find love like he did with Lady Pentaghast, but hopefully in a DLC or fanfic, he could become the Right Hand.
I think I'm going to go with Cassandra as being the divine, even if it means she has to break up with Cadash. He probably won't find love like he did with Lady Pentaghast, but hopefully in a DLC or fanfic, he could become the Right Hand.
Now there's a thought! With rogues becoming left hand!
Now there's a thought! With rogues becoming left hand!
Lol well I would become the Left Hand, since I'm a rouge. I just want to be there to protect her front, but maybe Cole or Varric could be her Left Hand. That should do wonders for a dwarf being an important member of the Chantry.
It was confirmed on Twitter (idk by who...maybe Weekes?) that if Leliana becomes Divine she does not dump your warden, they are just ~secret lovers~ for awhile and then eventually she's like NAH DIVINES CAN HAVE LOVERS as part of her reforms so. That's not a concern 
I got her with Hella. Olim got Cassandra. Hoping to get Vivienne next time, but I'm afraid it will be another Cass. It's one of the few end game surprises now, so I enjoy waiting for it.
That's awesome! Because on my Ardris file, that's my Origins couple LOL.
Sooooo, Baltion Adeucan will become the lover of the most powerful woman in the Chantry?
Oh, I think Varric will have a field day with that one!
With Xavier, he'll encourage his lady love to rebuild the Seekers. I hope to put a Soft!Leliana on the sunburst throne.
It was confirmed on Twitter (idk by who...maybe Weekes?) that if Leliana becomes Divine she does not dump your warden, they are just ~secret lovers~ for awhile and then eventually she's like NAH DIVINES CAN HAVE LOVERS as part of her reforms so. That's not a concern
I got her with Hella. Olim got Cassandra. Hoping to get Vivienne next time, but I'm afraid it will be another Cass. It's one of the few end game surprises now, so I enjoy waiting for it.
Cool, then I don't have to worry about my wardens getting dumped; I was a little concerned about being absolutely sure she didn't get Divine in those WS, which might mean Viv, who scares me a little
I decided to go ahead and create my female dwarven rogue, though I had originally planned several others first, but I want to try out a rogue (it's actually my favorite class usually,) and really wanted a dwarf I could start playing now since Zhenya needs to wait until my Dalish warrior is at least halfway through the game to really start. So meet Nevidima. I was aiming for thirty-ish again, and a bit androgynous. I rather like the result, though this isn't actually how I set out to make her look. And I decided to give archer a try, though I always prefered DW in DAO.
Yeah when I roll a new quizzy, I always gotta get an age range before I begin.
Ardris is like... 28, Xavier is slightly older, like 32
Thanks to Merela and Zetrial for the advice! I managed to get both of them working and I'm now one step closer to telling my Aeducan's canon journey in how I pictured it.
It was confirmed on Twitter (idk by who...maybe Weekes?) that if Leliana becomes Divine she does not dump your warden, they are just ~secret lovers~ for awhile and then eventually she's like NAH DIVINES CAN HAVE LOVERS as part of her reforms so. That's not a concern
So if Ithelin Surana ever gets back from looking for a cure, he's going to find out that his girlfriend is the Divine, she freed mages from the Circles and they don't have to break up? Awesome! (That might even cheer him up a bit after he hears what happened to his buddy Alistair ...)
I hope you like archer! I'm a DW girl through and through, but DA:I sold me on archer too, it's super fun! 
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