Yeah ... I agree . The dwarves seem to have been forgotten.
They aren't forgotten. If that was the case, we wouldn't have them as a playable race, which I'm grateful for. Now, they don't have as much resource dedicated to them, which is true, but they threw us a bone here and there.
Anyone miss being able to say "Atrast Vala" or call people "Salroka?" It was good to have those little moments of dwarven slang, it seems weird that we've not seen much of it in the last few games when we run into surface dwarves or those from Orzammar, especially when the Dalish have a similarly half-forgotten language, but don't hold back with peppering random elvish into things?
Incidentally, my Dwarf Commoner always named their dog "Salroka"... while the Dwarf Noble named it "Deshyr".
Don't forget that dwarves in Tevinter are recognized as something beyond a carta or merchant dwarf. The hold more power and influence than the dwarves in Southern Thedas. I think all of us here wants more dwarven related stories, which could be heavily dosages of story in Tevinter.
Joke asides, the long history between the Tevinter Imperium and the Darwen empire is interesting and stirs in Tevinter will have effect on the dwarves. But the alliance is mostly between Orzammar and the Magistrarium, both entities are rather stuck up in the past while the Carta and the Merchant Guild are looking rather forward (in their shady, shifty way 
).
The Carta and Merchant Guild are actually the breathing lungs of Orzammar economics, without those and the trade they make with the surface the city would have crumbled economically a long time ago. So I think Carta and Merchant Guild dwarf might be more willing to deal with the Southern states, and organization like the Carta have to stay on the edge of legality to strive anyway, profits his better with smuggling, because if you have to smuggle it it means someone really want it and will pay an insane amount of money to have it (whatever "it" is)
They aren't forgotten. If that was the case, we wouldn't have them as a playable race, which I'm grateful for. Now, they don't have as much resource dedicated to them, which is true, but they threw us a bone here and there.
Kind of. But I miss a relevance to the plot.
Joke asides, the long history between the Tevinter Imperium and the Darwen empire is interesting and stirs in Tevinter will have effect on the dwarves. But the alliance is mostly between Orzammar and the Magistrarium, both entities are rather stuck up in the past while the Carta and the Merchant Guild are looking rather forward (in their shady, shifty way
The Carta and Merchant Guild are actually the breathing lungs of Orzammar economics, without those and the trade they make with the surface the city would have crumbled economically a long time ago. So I think Carta and Merchant Guild dwarf might be more willing to deal with the Southern states, and organization like the Carta have to stay on the edge of legality to strive anyway, profits his better with smuggling, because if you have to smuggle it it means someone really want it and will pay an insane amount of money to have it (whatever "it" is)
I'm totally on the side of moving far away from traditions and such, which is why I want to witness Kal-Sharok in "person." They may have traditions, but it isn't as strict as Orzammar.
Yea Orzammar is barely surviving on its own, so I think that the Carta and Merchant don't want to see their "people" fall, despite the relations that they may have. The templars and mages all around Thedas depends on the Lyrium that the Carta smuggles, so they're the important people to do business with. I really don't know how the Carta and the Merchant Guilds get along, because seems like they're in the same kind of business.
I'm totally on the side of moving far away from traditions and such, which is why I want to witness Kal-Sharok in "person." They may have traditions, but it isn't as strict as Orzammar.
Plus Kal-Sharok has that weird, possibly tainted thing going on there, according to World of Thedas?
And it'd be interesting to see how they also play into things when it comes to Tevinter, are they still allies with them like Orzammar or have they cut all ties? If the latter, it would explain how they remained unknown by their cousins in Orzammar until only recently? Unless they have maintained an alliance and trade with Tevinter, on the sole condition that they not reveal their continued existence to Orzammar?
Plus Kal-Sharok has that weird, possibly tainted thing going on there, according to World of Thedas?
And it'd be interesting to see how they also play into things when it comes to Tevinter, are they still allies with them like Orzammar or have they cut all ties? If the latter, it would explain how they remained unknown by their cousins in Orzammar until only recently? Unless they have maintained an alliance and trade with Tevinter, on the sole condition that they not reveal their continued existence to Orzammar?
Yes, Kal-Sharok dwarves have the taint in their blood.
I don't think Tevinter has an alliance with Orzammar because of bad blood between them and Kal-Sharok. Orzammar depends on the Carta and Merchant Guild for trading.
Assembly doesn't control the carta's lyrium trade though, Salroka, and we're Cadashes.
Noble and citizen of the Imperium might be a good bribe, though I don't think there's a snowball's chance in h**l of them elevating non-mages without the proper ancestry into the nobility. Noble of Orzammar, pfff. See Varric's opinion in DA2, that sums up my Zhenya and Reska's opinion of Orzammar's noble caste.
But, but........they have wine.......
Oh you of little faith. Lyrium trade means gold. Who do you think uses the most lyrium in Thedas? Thats right, the Imperium. And we have gold.
Also, free wine means gold. If you don´t want to drink it then sell it(*clears throat* Though as some of it comes from my own vineyards I can say that it is much better than the Antivan horse ******). Provided free of charge. I thought dwarven had business sense in them, maybe I was wrong.
Valos atredum for the smart minds.
I decided to make my first ever male dwarf. I never made any that I was happy with in Origins, but I think I'm happy with this guy.
Torben Cadash
Spoiler
And yay for eyes that are actually brown.
He looks awesome! But how did you get brown eyes??????
Olwaye greatly approves.
This is one very seductive dwarf lady. But true she doesn't look that old to me.
And who invinted these Tevinter guys here? The Carta doesn't do alliances, we might consider a formal contract, we are after all legitimate business dwarves.
What's all that nonsense about being recognize by Orzammar, I am perfectly happy not being recognize, that is sort of the point in our line of business.
Plus if they want to pay in wine, they are sorley lacking insight in dwarf psychology, are they not familiar with the old dwarven song about gold , it goes :
Gold!Gold!Gold!Gold!
Gold!Gold!Gold!Gold!
Gold!Gold!Gold!Gold!
Gold!Gold!Gold!Gold!
Gold!Gold!Gold!Gold!Gold!Gold!Gold!
Why thank you. Dunno why the complexions change so drastically when I get out of the CC. Ah well, at least she doesn't look under 20.
Well, there's gold, and power, and weapons, and debts to be collected. And Vetra wouldn't mind handsome men falling at her feet, but that's her...
Why thank you. Dunno why the complexions change so drastically when I get out of the CC. Ah well, at least she doesn't look under 20.
Well, there's gold, and power, and weapons, and debts to be collected. And Vetra wouldn't mind handsome men falling at her feet, but that's her...
Piiiiiiiiiiiiic time!
I just love the smile on her face. Growing up in the carta, nothing but a hire sword most of her life, Terra's not a woman who loves easily. If this were Origins, her LI would probably be Zevran. But Josephine is different. She's thoughtful, caring, warm, but most of all, Terra loves her because she's so normal. Yes, she toyed with Bard life, but it's Josie's heart that makes Terra want to be a better person
Successsssssssss!
Ah, the beginnings of true love! Terra is about to give Josie her family's crest, before embarking to the western approach to meet with Hawke.
I loooooooooove how Leliana is protectively of Josie.........plus the lingering paranoia all my quizzy' will have from her, if they hurt Josie in any way shape or form.................no pressure.
Which character is your "main" inquisitor?
I don't really do cannons, but Zhenya's my favorite dwarf still, possibly my favorite IQ, which is one of the reasons I'm putting off running her PT until I've ironed out most of the "getting lost/frustrated with quests" problems the first PT has with IQs I don't care much about.
Vetra is really just the result (after 7 or 8 others who were deleted and best forgotten) of playing with the CC, trying to get someone who looked older but still attractive, like Thova (spelling?). Normally she'd be way too conventionally pretty for me, but I'm taken with her appearance so I might keep her to run later. She keeps trying to tell me that the Carta tried to make her into a noble hunter and she told them to stuff it and made it stick.
Sadly, either the complexions on my CC are bugged, or I have a setting that's interfering, but none of the complexions will produce someone who looks over 40 (or even past 35ish).
I don't really do cannons, but Zhenya's my favorite dwarf still, possibly my favorite IQ, which is one of the reasons I'm putting off running her PT until I've ironed out most of the "getting lost/frustrated with quests" problems the first PT has with IQs I don't care much about.
Vetra is really just the result (after 7 or 8 others who were deleted and best forgotten) of playing with the CC, trying to get someone who looked older but still attractive, like Thova (spelling?). Normally she'd be way too conventionally pretty for me, but I'm taken with her appearance so I might keep her to run later. She keeps trying to tell me that the Carta tried to make her into a noble hunter and she told them to stuff it and made it stick.
Sadly, either the complexions on my CC are bugged, or I have a setting that's interfering, but none of the complexions will produce someone who looks over 40 (or even past 35ish).
I haven't really checked out the women inquisitors cc, but I know that sometimes the skin color plus the complexion can make a character look old or young. At least for the male characters.
Yea I should had done something similar to you when it came to my first play-through. There were so many bugs on my first play-through, and I couldn't enjoy my dwarf like I wanted to, but Cespar this go around is turning out really well and to my liking, which has everything to do with all the patches. Lucky you got to play the game late! 
Yea the noble-hunters are really sad, and I wish I could had convinced Rita to do something better in her life, but at least she actually fell in love with the noble that she caught.
I would love for the next game to be dwarf-centric in plot.
I would love for the next game to be dwarf-centric in plot.
internet grapevine says your wish may come true, but considering the player reactions to Dai, i doubt it will happen outside of a short dlc to fill the EAware coffers.
I would love for the next game to be dwarf-centric in plot.
If we're heading to Tevinter… maybe! 
If we're heading to Tevinter… maybe!
Or Anderfels!
Or Anderfels!
I don't know anything about the Anderfels, except the first warden residing there in Weisshaupt.
I don't know anything about the Anderfels, except the first warden residing there in Weisshaupt.
That's why we need to go there.
That's why we need to go there.
If they keep up with the open world feature, part of Tevinter and Anderfels could be play zone for DA:4. Maybe we will run into Hawke/Alistair/Stroud/Loghain. Meet some real "legendary" wardens. I wonder how those wardens feel about the Kal-Sharok dwarves, since the taint runs in their blood.
If they keep up with the open world feature, part of Tevinter and Anderfels could be play zone for DA:4. Maybe we will run into Hawke/Alistair/Stroud/Loghain. Meet some real "legendary" wardens. I wonder how those wardens feel about the Kal-Sharok dwarves, since the taint runs in their blood.
The Wardens of Anderfels are more bureaucrats than real Wardens. But I think they respect the dwarves like any other Warden.
@edit: I read wrong, sorry, I think the Wardens in general should have a another secret... and this must have to do with Kal- Sharok. After all they were not there to study the dwarves, fear ? who knows.
Modifié par Red of Rivia, 25 janvier 2015 - 08:07 .
The Wardens of Anderfels are more bureaucrats than real Wardens. But I think they respect the dwarves like any other Warden.
Yea the people there looks to the Grey Warden for help than their own king. They probably won't respect my Cadash, since he exiled the Wardens from Southern Thedas,
Yea the people there looks to the Grey Warden for help than their own king. They probably won't respect my Cadash, since he exiled the Wardens from Southern Thedas,
You touch a interesting subject, has something mysterious there in Kal-Sharok, probably in the next game we will have more information on the Taint, to Anderfels not interfere, must be something big, as big as the red Lyrium. Even the dwarves there did not know the red Lyrium?
You touch a interesting subject, has something mysterious there in Kal-Sharok, probably in the next game we will have more information on the Taint, to Anderfels not interfere, must be something big, as big as the red Lyrium. Even the dwarves there did not know the red Lyrium?
I have a feel that if anyone knew about Red Lyrium beforehand, it would have to be the wardens and dwarves. Wardens are always keeping things a secret, and if has anything to do the blight, taint, and deep road, then the warden aren't too far away.
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