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[Fredward]

I admit, I'm saving a qunari PT for when I'm otherwise bored with the game, so I can't give an informed opinion yet. They did a good job of including at least subtle dwarven content for dwarven IQs (little things like the dwarf in Skyhold confirming the paragon he'd carved had been Branka.) From videos and SSs I've seen, their ability to deal with height differences for both dwarves and qunari is wildly variable. I think the worst I've seen is a female qunari who somehow is shorter than Blackwall in a romance scene, sigh. I don't get the issue; apparently they've never seen a seated man kissed by a standing woman so a taller woman kissing a shorter man is just beyond their imaginations. (I know, it's more likely they just cheaped out on the animation and shrank or grew the qunari and dwarf in that scene to use a same one-size-fits-all animation for everyone, sigh, but it annoys the h**l out of me because they almost always do that.)

 

I've made peace with the wonky animations, for the most part. They're annoying but it's more important WHAT they represent rather than the representation itself. Also I can make up way better scenes in my head.

 

BUT. I build entire PTs around those little comments/moments. For instance my qunquisitor is my current favourite because he gets to mention he's a 'quick learner' when he talks with Josephine about his background. Also, the qunari mage is the only mage who gets described as 'powerful' in their codex entry. I also really like the merc background and Shokrakwhatever. These all seem like relatively small pieces but they're like little doorways into entirely different and intriguing facets of the character. I played the elf through completely and he had a LOT of comments but they never fit with what I had in mind for him.

 

So. Dwarves. What kind of person can they be? With who do they have their special conversation? Qunari get IB. Elves get Solas. Human mages get Viv. Presumably they get Varric? Do they get special options with Bianca? Do they comment when you clear the Carta from the Hinterlands? When you deal with the dwarves of Kal-Sharok do their missives acknowledge your dwarfiness? How are their background specific war table missions? What's the general vibe they get from people? Elves get second-hand citizen. Qunari get fear and often revulsion. Mages get anger. Do dwarves get more of a sense of 'other' since they're not, as far as I know, looked down upon. Uhm. In a non-physical sense I mean. That ruin-chain in the Hissing Wastes, do they get a comment there? It's the dwarfiest place in the game so it FEELS like they should.

 

I wanna play a dwarf but they also seem like the race most likely left out in the cold.

[Gilsa]

Fun fact: that elf, Charter, is the same lady who goes on to command Caer Bronach. Dunno what happens to Pellane though.

 

 

Currently I'm torn between dwarves and Qunari. I'd ask the people here who have played both which one they preferred but I feel like ya'll might be somewhat biased.

 

Whoah, I did not know that! That's awesome. I liked how no-nonsense she was.

 

Heh, yeah, there's bias, but for what it's worth, I'm most interested in dwarves and qunari in this game. I've only played dwarves so far because I'm still scrounging around for dwarven lore that I've missed early on. The qunari lore is what interests me the most out of the remaining races. I liked reading up on how the Qun came to be, how some have conformed to that role, and how others reject it. There are parallels to the dwarves in this fashion. The qunari just happen to be at a disadvantage since dwarves got a headstart back in Origins and reaped all the emotional investment that goes along with playing the race. That qunari mage accepting death instead of fleeing towards freedom in DA2? That's interesting, to have convictions that strong.

 

So ... I don't know how much content there is for qunari in the game. I cannot compare it to a dwarf playthrough. I wish I could help ya. My suggestion would be to go with the race you're most curious about. Even though surfacer dwarves are considered casteless like Brosca, it's still a wildly different experience than playing a dwarf commoner. The surfacer dwarf doesn't really carry the shackles of Orzammar so it's a bit liberating to not be bogged down by the politics, but being an outsider, it does raise interesting questions of whether a surfacer would choose to believe in the Stone even though they're considered rejected by it or if a surfacer would be Andrastian, even though the Chantry doesn't mention dwarves and rejects them as well. Y'know? Qunari have their own system just like this.

 

I'm rambling. Sorry, been drinking coffee and typing. Lethal combination.

 

Oh, one last thing -- @tish -- yeah, the height adjustment during the kiss scene is cringeworthy, but Adaar has the BEST scene in Revelations when Blackwall approaches her. She can touch the beard, his shoulder, and loom over him for the kiss. Dwarves don't get to touch that beard in the game. Not once. Not during repeatable kisses. Nothing. There's power in that beard. *cries*

[Tishina]

Oh, one last thing -- @tish -- yeah, the height adjustment during the kiss scene is cringeworthy, but Adaar has the BEST scene in Revelations when Blackwall approaches her. She can touch the beard, his shoulder, and loom over him for the kiss. Dwarves don't get to touch that beard in the game. Not once. Not during repeatable kisses. Nothing. There's power in that beard. *cries*

Oh, cool! I haven't seen a qunari version of that scene. Sometimes, they seem to have taken the time to really get the height differences right (I've seen a qunari dancing with Blackwall, and unless my aging memory is confused, they did a good job at that point.) At others, they don't seem to care.

[Tishina]

I've made peace with the wonky animations, for the most part. They're annoying but it's more important WHAT they represent rather than the representation itself. Also I can make up way better scenes in my head.

 

BUT. I build entire PTs around those little comments/moments. For instance my qunquisitor is my current favourite because he gets to mention he's a 'quick learner' when he talks with Josephine about his background. Also, the qunari mage is the only mage who gets described as 'powerful' in their codex entry. I also really like the merc background and Shokrakwhatever. These all seem like relatively small pieces but they're like little doorways into entirely different and intriguing facets of the character. I played the elf through completely and he had a LOT of comments but they never fit with what I had in mind for him.

 

So. Dwarves. What kind of person can they be? With who do they have their special conversation? Qunari get IB. Elves get Solas. Human mages get Viv. Presumably they get Varric? Do they get special options with Bianca? Do they comment when you clear the Carta from the Hinterlands? When you deal with the dwarves of Kal-Sharok do their missives acknowledge your dwarfiness? How are their background specific war table missions? What's the general vibe they get from people? Elves get second-hand citizen. Qunari get fear and often revulsion. Mages get anger. Do dwarves get more of a sense of 'other' since they're not, as far as I know, looked down upon. Uhm. In a non-physical sense I mean. That ruin-chain in the Hissing Wastes, do they get a comment there? It's the dwarfiest place in the game so it FEELS like they should.

 

I wanna play a dwarf but they also seem like the race most likely left out in the cold.

You get some fairly specific dialogues here and there. Not huge amounts as far as I know, and I haven't had Varric in my group with my dwarven rogue because she's an archer herself, so I've probably missed some stuff. But even non-dwarves will comment on dwarven ruins at times (Solas commented on something to my Dalish about a dwarven ruin just yesterday.) Blackwall has a few fairly specific dwarven lines, particularly if you're in a romance with him, mostly about your Carta background, I think, and Sera flirts fairly openly with a female dwarf, though I can't decide if her comments about my height being cute are adorable or annoying or both. I'll probably have Varric out with my dwarven warrior a lot more, though, but that PT is still in the early stages at Haven (and yes, I have 4 active PTs running concurrently )

[Gilsa]

So. Dwarves. What kind of person can they be? With who do they have their special conversation? Qunari get IB. Elves get Solas. Human mages get Viv. Presumably they get Varric? Do they get special options with Bianca? Do they comment when you clear the Carta from the Hinterlands? When you deal with the dwarves of Kal-Sharok do their missives acknowledge your dwarfiness? How are their background specific war table missions? What's the general vibe they get from people? Elves get second-hand citizen. Qunari get fear and often revulsion. Mages get anger. Do dwarves get more of a sense of 'other' since they're not, as far as I know, looked down upon. Uhm. In a non-physical sense I mean. That ruin-chain in the Hissing Wastes, do they get a comment there? It's the dwarfiest place in the game so it FEELS like they should.

 

I wanna play a dwarf but they also seem like the race most likely left out in the cold.

 

- Special conversation with Josephine. You can choose to believe in the Stone, Maker, or be agnostic.

- You can choose if you've ever been to Orzammar or not. (Varric has never been, for example.)

- You can choose your level of involvement in the Carta: violent thug, strictly surface goods with wealthy houses, or "none of your business."

- Varric will acknowledge your Carta background in the prologue after he joins your group.

- There are brief comments when you clear the Carta. (They're not of Cadash's clan so you're not going to run into anyone Cadash knows.)

- There will be dwarf NPCs in Haven and Skyhold and to a lesser extent, Val Royeaux, that will provide banter on the dwarven perspective.

- The war table missions for dwarves are fine. It provides context for why Cadash was at the Conclave at the first place and why Cadash is no longer a part of the Carta. The person writing to you gives off a Leske vibe, that someone that is looking out for you. Pay attention to which advisors you choose. Cullen will end things early.

- The vibe they get is the same as a second-hand citizen. They're generally seen as greedy merchants or a criminal.

- Several of the companions will comment on your dwarf nature. Blackwall is the best with this because he has exclusive dialogue with both male and female Cadash about this precisely (human, elves, and qunari get a generic "thanks for recruiting me!" response). Dorian will be thrilled that you're challenging stereotypes. Cassandra will ask about your beliefs and you can point out in a couple of places that you're a dwarf. She will respect and acknowledge this later on in the game as well.

- I do remember reading notes while clearing out either Valammar or the fortress that the Carta has noticed the Herald is a dwarf. They're not sure what con you're pulling. It does get acknowledged.

- The Hissing Waste banter in the tombs is mostly companion specific. Cadash is discovering stuff like this just like everyone else so there's no real reason for Cadash to have special insight on the paragons of old.

- Scout Harding will comment on seeing a fellow dwarf. It's been pointed out that when meeting Dagna for the first time, the dwarf will see her directly (taller races will look side to side and then look down to see her). Kieran will tell the Cadash he/she is short and if you pick the middle option, you will hear the only reference to the Titans in the game.

- There is no dwarven throne to sit on in Skyhold. If it's strictly tied into judging people, then there aren't any dwarves to judge.

- Despite being from House Cadash, there is no mention of Shale at all.

- I remember reading a codex in one of the rooms in Skyhold, with someone writing to his parents talking about how inspired he is by Cadash and how he wants to join the Inquisition.

- If you are importing an Aeducan or Brosca world state, the dwarves at the Orlesian ball will comment on the current dwarven king and the current paragon.

- The letter from Hero of Ferelden (if dwarf) will acknowledge Cadash's dwarfness as well.

 

I can't really remember anything else off the top of my head. Humans still get better content and this game is heavy on elven-lore, which is good. I think dwarves will get their turn at some point. David Gaider has expressed an interest to return to the dwarven setting, perhaps Kal-Sharok, in the future, but said they'd need the right story to make that happen.

[Cespar]

I've made peace with the wonky animations, for the most part. They're annoying but it's more important WHAT they represent rather than the representation itself. Also I can make up way better scenes in my head.

BUT. I build entire PTs around those little comments/moments. For instance my qunquisitor is my current favourite because he gets to mention he's a 'quick learner' when he talks with Josephine about his background. Also, the qunari mage is the only mage who gets described as 'powerful' in their codex entry. I also really like the merc background and Shokrakwhatever. These all seem like relatively small pieces but they're like little doorways into entirely different and intriguing facets of the character. I played the elf through completely and he had a LOT of comments but they never fit with what I had in mind for him.

So. Dwarves. What kind of person can they be? With who do they have their special conversation? Qunari get IB. Elves get Solas. Human mages get Viv. Presumably they get Varric? Do they get special options with Bianca? Do they comment when you clear the Carta from the Hinterlands? When you deal with the dwarves of Kal-Sharok do their missives acknowledge your dwarfiness? How are their background specific war table missions? What's the general vibe they get from people? Elves get second-hand citizen. Qunari get fear and often revulsion. Mages get anger. Do dwarves get more of a sense of 'other' since they're not, as far as I know, looked down upon. Uhm. In a non-physical sense I mean. That ruin-chain in the Hissing Wastes, do they get a comment there? It's the dwarfiest place in the game so it FEELS like they should.

I wanna play a dwarf but they also seem like the race most likely left out in the cold.

Probably better if you just experience the content for yourself. Things that might be big to us dwarf's fans, probably won't be so big in your eyes. People around Haven will talk about the dwarf insiquistor, like two people around the fire, inside the bar, and the Chantry sister and elf.

There content for the dwarves at The Hissing Waste with Varric adding the most to that banter, imo. The dwarf party of three at the Winter Palace talks about Paragon Brosca/Aeducan, and things that are going on back in Orzammar.

The lore books around Thedas about the dwarves adds more content for me. My Cespar enjoys reading about his people, even if he doesn't always agree with them. Also, reading the carta plans in Valammar(I probably misspelled that word) mentions another carta hanging with the inquisition.

There's also one dwarven line if you become a Templar. Bianca comments on an Artificer.

Point: For me, if I'm playing a dwarf as the protagonist, everything in the story is dwarf related, because he/she seems to be the only one that's bring peace and order back. The surface is his problems, just as the humans and elves.

[I present Chuck Bass]

This is just the friendliest thread.
Love it here.

[Cespar]

- Special conversation with Josephine. You can choose to believe in the Stone, Maker, or be agnostic.
- You can choose if you've ever been to Orzammar or not. (Varric has never been, for example.)
- You can choose your level of involvement in the Carta: violent thug, strictly surface goods with wealthy houses, or "none of your business."
- Varric will acknowledge your Carta background in the prologue after he joins your group.
- There are brief comments when you clear the Carta. (They're not of Cadash's clan so you're not going to run into anyone Cadash knows.)
- There will be dwarf NPCs in Haven and Skyhold and to a lesser extent, Val Royeaux, that will provide banter on the dwarven perspective.
- The war table missions for dwarves are fine. It provides context for why Cadash was at the Conclave at the first place and why Cadash is no longer a part of the Carta. The person writing to you gives off a Leske vibe, that someone that is looking out for you. Pay attention to which advisors you choose. Cullen will end things early.
- The vibe they get is the same as a second-hand citizen. They're generally seen as greedy merchants or a criminal.
- Several of the companions will comment on your dwarf nature. Blackwall is the best with this because he has exclusive dialogue with both male and female Cadash about this precisely (human, elves, and qunari get a generic "thanks for recruiting me!" response). Dorian will be thrilled that you're challenging stereotypes. Cassandra will ask about your beliefs and you can point out in a couple of places that you're a dwarf. She will respect and acknowledge this later on in the game as well.
- I do remember reading notes while clearing out either Valammar or the fortress that the Carta has noticed the Herald is a dwarf. They're not sure what con you're pulling. It does get acknowledged.
- The Hissing Waste banter in the tombs is mostly companion specific. Cadash is discovering stuff like this just like everyone else so there's no real reason for Cadash to have special insight on the paragons of old.
- Scout Harding will comment on seeing a fellow dwarf. It's been pointed out that when meeting Dagna for the first time, the dwarf will see her directly (taller races will look side to side and then look down to see her). Kieran will tell the Cadash he/she is short and if you pick the middle option, you will hear the only reference to the Titans in the game.
- There is no dwarven throne to sit on in Skyhold. If it's strictly tied into judging people, then there aren't any dwarves to judge.
- Despite being from House Cadash, there is no mention of Shale at all.
- I remember reading a codex in one of the rooms in Skyhold, with someone writing to his parents talking about how inspired he is by Cadash and how he wants to join the Inquisition.
- If you are importing an Aeducan or Brosca world state, the dwarves at the Orlesian ball will comment on the current dwarven king and the current paragon.
- The letter from Hero of Ferelden (if dwarf) will acknowledge Cadash's dwarfness as well.

I can't really remember anything else off the top of my head. Humans still get better content and this game is heavy on elven-lore, which is good. I think dwarves will get their turn at some point. David Gaider has expressed an interest to return to the dwarven setting, perhaps Kal-Sharok, in the future, but said they'd need the right story to make that happen.

I think you did a hell of a better job than I did, lol.

[Fredward]

Thank ya'll for the responses. Especially you, Gilsa, that was very detailed. Gonna roll a female dwarf now and she's going to be pretty different from my usual fair of magical elves and/or qunari. Which means finally going with the templars for once. MOST DIMINUTIVE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD EVER. Now I just need to decide between Sera and Blackwall.

 

 

ANYWAY. Part of the reason I came here is to talk about Dagna's... prophecy? Insight? What's the general opinion on that?

[Cespar]

Thank ya'll for the responses. Especially you, Gilsa, that was very detailed. Gonna roll a female dwarf now and she's going to be pretty different from my usual fair of magical elves and/or qunari. Which means finally going with the templars for once. MOST DIMINUTIVE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD EVER. Now I just need to decide between Sera and Blackwall.


ANYWAY. Part of the reason I came here is to talk about Dagna's... prophecy? Insight? What's the general opinion on that?

We talked about that a couple of pages ago.

[Fredward]

So I made my dwarf, she wound up looking waaay haughtier than I'd expected (I think it's the brows) but I dig it. One day Varric will write that 'Malika Cadash was a dame as cool as her ice-chip eyes.'

 

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I've also started with her backstory. Lanton mentions that she's always had 'strange luck' so I took that and interpreted it as she has the kind of luck where she constantly winds up in really shitty situations but always lands on her feet so you don't really know whether she has really, really GOOD luck or really, really BAD luck.

[Garia]

Yes she looks cool. Female dwarfs are among my favorite fantasy race/gender combination. I see you can give her the option of facial hair in DA:I. Really fine, sparse facial hair. I don't think I could go with a beard, but I gave her a wispy little moustache. It looks very cute - it should just be visible in my avatar.

[Uccio]

This is just the friendliest thread.
Love it here.

 

If you want some upper class feeling pop in Tevinter Imperium support thread. 

 

Though lately the feeling has slowed down a bit.

[daveliam]

Just a quick comment on the dwarf 'lore'.  I remember getting a fair amount of dwarf comments from Iron Bull of all people.  I had him with me as I explored the Hissing Wastes and he was super chatty about dwarves and dwarven history.  I can't remember if I had Varric with me or not (I think I did), but Bull was the one who talked a lot to me about it.  I remember thinking that my dwarf had chosen wisely in picking Bull as his romance option!  I guess there's always someone who comments.  I wonder who comments if you take Cole, Sera, and Vivienne.....?

 

I'm also a dwarf and qunari only player, so I can totally relate to this most recent comment.  I think that's one of the reasons why I like those races so much.  The fact that the lore feels much more personal for them, since they are part of a smaller, more segregated culture.  When I played Hawke, none of the lore felt personal (outside of the Amell family stuff), because almost everyone is a human.  I felt no more connected than random NPC1.  But with a dwarf and qunari, since we are some of the only representatives of those races, it feels much more related to the characters to me. 

 

To be honest, as much as I love this (<---) qunari guy, I am really a dwarf player at heart.  I'm aching to get back to Agathe (I'm loving the ranged rogue battle dynamics and can't wait to get to Blackwall's personal quest since she's romancing him!) and really anxious to get around to my sword and board dwarf warrior.  I have a guy created as a place-holder, but I might scrap him and try for something completely different.  Not sure yet.  But that's a story for another time!

[themageguy]

Has anyone played a Dwarf who sided with the Templars?

I was wondering if...

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a dwarven inquisitor makes any special mention of the device Dagna uses to spy on Calpernia, being that's it a shaper sort of thing

[Gilsa]

I reviewed my screenshots. Nothing stood out. It's possible that I didn't select the right response here or there, but as far as I can tell, the dwarf inquisitor had nothing to add. Sorry. =/

[themageguy]

I reviewed my screenshots. Nothing stood out. It's possible that I didn't select the right response here or there, but as far as I can tell, the dwarf inquisitor had nothing to add. Sorry. =/

That's ok. Thanks

Now I just have to decide who to side with....

[Cespar]

Some Cadash's fan art from our lovely Lady Aimo.

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[The Velveteen Rabbit]

Still loving my Cadash playthrough. (I wish I'd gone with Artificer instead of Tempest for a specialization, though.) I've invested in a giant nug mount. It's the best 10,000 gold ever spent.

 

The dance with Duchess Florianne at the ball looked a bit...silly. But now she's having to work with commoners on a farm so it's all good. Marni had the nobles eating out of her hand by the end of the night. And they thought a dwarven Herald of Andraste was ridiculous. Ha!

[Olwaye]

Still loving my Cadash playthrough. (I wish I'd gone with Artificer instead of Tempest for a specialization, though.) I've invested in a giant nug mount. It's the best 10,000 gold ever spent.

 

The dance with Duchess Florianne at the ball looked a bit...silly. But now she's having to work with commoners on a farm so it's all good. Marni had the nobles eating out of her hand by the end of the night. And they thought a dwarven Herald of Andraste was ridiculous. Ha!

 

Yeah, it does feel good to stick it up to those " nobliaux de merde qui pensent que le soleil brille par leur trou du cul" (pardon my french, orlesian ) from Orlais, my Elrik just showed them how we dwarves play the Game, you don't last long in the Carta if you don't know how to navigate around the power mad .

[Cespar]

My Cadash took lessons from Leliana and Josephine on how the Game works. He was more into it than he thought he would be. Being clever and charming is life to Cespar, so he was truly ready to win over all the nobles, despite being just another dwarf to them. Cespar isn't going to let the people give him the stereotype he doesn't claim for himself. 

 

I didn't think the animation was that bad when dancing with Florianne, but the dancing animation with Cassandra was      . 

[Gilsa]

What happens if you ask to stay on the balcony instead? I never knew how it worked for the male side of things. See, this is what happened the first time I told Blackwall to stay on the balcony instead.

 

 

Since I knew that there wasn't an actual dance with Iron Bull, I skipped that option and asked him to stay with me and this is what I got:

 

 

DAMMIT BULL. =p

[Cespar]

WTF!!? That's a choice!!? I always only heard about dancing, so that's the only thing I've went with. T.T Cadash and Cassandra could have probably had a much nicer closing scene. 

 

SN: I like the Blackwall and Cadash gif scene a lot. Makes me want to make a character for him. 

[Cypher0020]

Have an elf mage, elf rogue, qunari mage

 

I've redone my dwarves like 10x

 

I think I'll reroll my dwarf back to SnS

 

I forgot Blackwall is into dwarves 

 

Testing him out on my elf rogue...........that man 

[Andraste_Reborn]

So, I have a dwarf lore question and this seems like the right place to ask: what caste do you think dwarf composers and musicians are?

 

We know they exist - Paragon Ortan was elevated to that status for composing the Ortanic Symphony and an epic about the Seven Brothers. If there are symphonies, one would assume there are musicians to perform them. I think composers would probably be Artisan caste - they're the ones concerned with making things that are of purely decorative or cultural value, after all. I'm just not sure if musicians would be in Artisan caste with them, or if those just performing would be relegated to Servant status.

 

If there's any info about this in the Codex that I've somehow managed to miss, I'd love to know. Times like this, I wish there was a 'ask a Dragon Age writer a pedantic lore question' button somewhere on the internet.

 

(I'm writing a tabletop game at the moment, which is why I need to figure this out. So many things we don't know about Orzammar! The day you find yourself trying to work out where dwarves get their Vitamin E from is the day you know you've gone too far down the nug hole.)