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[Tishina]

Hey, it's always possible that the next writer they bring in - assuming they want to keep the team the same size after promoting Patrick Weekes - will be a dwarf-lover . (Does anyone have any idea how Brianne and Sylvia feel about them, for that matter?)

Good question!

 

I think the game will feel Gaider's absence, but Weeke's did a remarkable job with the characters he wrote, especially Cole. My only concern is that he didn't see the way the IB romance starts as a problem. I think we can assume Sheryl Chee (sp?) is somewhat interested in dwarves since Blackwall's romance with a dwarf has dwarf-specific content (though admittedly, that seems to have more to do with the dwarf being Carta/criminal than a dwarf.) Who knows, we might even get a serious dwarf NPC instead of a primarily comic figure. It would be nice if they not only gave us a dwarf LI, he or she was a mainstream romance as well...

[Spectre4hire]

So I'm at the point where my Cadash finally got the letter from the Hero of Ferelden.

 

It was from my Warden Brosca and the extra bit of dwarf mention was great.

 

However, maybe its just me but I always find the gift the Warden gives underwhelming. So I usually craft a sword, or a shield or staff depending on both my Warden and my Inquisitor and I headcannon that this is in fact what my Warden sent them. And then I give it a creative title like 'The Warden's Gift,' or "a King's present" (M!Couslands FTW) but in this case it will be a two handed greatsword called, "Brosca's Blessing."

[veeia]

Ooh, I like that!!!

[veeia]

I personally think Weekes is a fantastic writer but I have my reservations about how well he writes for games, his writing is so cinematic based sometimes I feel, heavy on the narrative he's writing and not a lot of room for the player narrative (I often felt frustrated with the dialogue options I got with his characters/quests, if that makes sense...) however, Inquisition has that problem overall and it's clearly a heavily collaborative process, so I'm not really sure how much of that should be attributed to him specifically. We will see how he does! I'm not worried, I just hope it frees up room for a new, fresh voice at the table.

[vertigomez]

So I'm at the point where my Cadash finally got the letter from the Hero of Ferelden.

It was from my Warden Brosca and the extra bit of dwarf mention was great.

However, maybe its just me but I always find the gift the Warden gives underwhelming. So I usually craft a sword, or a shield or staff depending on both my Warden and my Inquisitor and I headcannon that this is in fact what my Warden sent them. And then I give it a creative title like 'The Warden's Gift,' or "a King's present" (M!Couslands FTW) but in this case it will be a two handed greatsword called, "Brosca's Blessing."

This is a great idea!

About Weekes... I really am excited. I absolutely loved TME, Bull, Cole, Solas... I think the way he writes is engaging and nuanced and I'm just-- if Gaider has to leave, then I'm really glad Weekes is gonna be at the helm. I think he'll do DA justice, if what we've seen so far is anything to go by.

And OT, but one thing that bugs me in DAI is that our backgrounds aren't more fleshed out. Or rather, that we don't have any family to speak of. I felt like the relationships you could have with Rica, Kalah, Leske, and even brother-in-law Bhelen () as a DC were so powerful. Cyrion and Shianni and your mother's ghost (not literally... you know what I mean!) as a CE, Bhelen and Trian and Endrin and Gorim and just gaahhh.

DA2's sibling relationships were very well-executed, and one of the key questions I ask myself when I start a new playthrough is which sibling's gonna bite it? What's gonna happen in the Deep Roads? Leandra and Gamlen and the dog and Hawke's daddy's boy/girl relationship with Malcolm is all pretty awesome.

I reeeeaaally missed that in DAI. I don't like having to headcanon stuff like that. Makes me feel a little too blank slate.

I just wanna know where my Cadash is coming from.

[Spectre4hire]

This is a great idea!

About Weekes... I really am excited. I absolutely loved TME, Bull, Cole, Solas... I think the way he writes is engaging and nuanced and I'm just-- if Gaider has to leave, then I'm really glad Weekes is gonna be at the helm. I think he'll do DA justice, if what we've seen so far is anything to go by.

And OT, but one thing that bugs me in DAI is that our backgrounds aren't more fleshed out. Or rather, that we don't have any family to speak of. I felt like the relationships you could have with Rica, Kalah, Leske, and even brother-in-law Bhelen ( ) as a DC were so powerful. Cyrion and Shianni and your mother's ghost (not literally... you know what I mean!) as a CE, Bhelen and Trian and Endrin and Gorim and just gaahhh.

DA2's sibling relationships were very well-executed, and one of the key questions I ask myself when I start a new playthrough is which sibling's gonna bite it? What's gonna happen in the Deep Roads? Leandra and Gamlen and the dog and Hawke's daddy's boy/girl relationship with Malcolm is all pretty awesome.

I reeeeaaally missed that in DAI. I don't like having to headcanon stuff like that. Makes me feel a little too blank slate.

I just wanna know where my Cadash is coming from.

 

I agree with this. And definitely thought we should've gotten one mission based on our origin. Its not far fetched to think our family/friends would come to Skyhold at one point and they could've given us a mission. It'd allow us to flesh out our character and give our companions and advisers a chance to comment on our background

 

I think only using war table operations for the origins was a mistake. Especially with the lack of dialogue/reaction from the results of the War Table Operations. 

[Tishina]

I agree with this. And definitely thought we should've gotten one mission based on our origin. Its not far fetched to think our family/friends would come to Skyhold at one point and they could've given us a mission. It'd allow us to flesh out our character and give our companions and advisers a chance to comment on our background

 

I think only using war table operations for the origins was a mistake. Especially with the lack of dialogue/reaction from the results of the War Table Operations. 

No kidding. I'm still stunned that there's no reaction to the Dalish IQ's

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clan getting wiped out, even from the IQ. I mean, I know it's a game, but ...really?

[Cespar]

No kidding. I'm still stunned that there's no reaction to the Dalish IQ's

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clan getting wiped out, even from the IQ. I mean, I know it's a game, but ...really?

Yea I think it should had been a special cut scene or something. I always role play that the dwarves walking around Skyhold are part of my carta.

[Spectre4hire]

Honestly, I think it kinda shows that they could't implement anything deeper such as specific missions or cut scenes based on origin b/c they added the extra races in later (thankfully)

 

So all they could do was the War table operations for the various races.

 

But that's just my opinion, no need to spread it around. 

[veeia]

The war table missions in general tend to be more interesting and relevant than like 99% of the sidequests, lmao. I think they tried to make up for a lot there, but it just made me all sad we couldn't see some of those things. 

[Tishina]

Yea I think it should had been a special cut scene or something. I always role play that the dwarves walking around Skyhold are part of my carta.

I'd rather have had that sort of cutscene than several we had. Or even a comment or two in non-cut-scene conversation acknowledging how upset the IQ should have been. Notes left on your desk in your room, even?

edit: I honestly just don't think anything that traumatic should have been a possibility if they weren't willing to put the resources into following through on it. It makes the idea that the close members of the Inquisition are your friends laughable, as well as making the Inquisitor look pretty d****d cold him or herself.

[Spectre4hire]

The war table missions in general tend to be more interesting and relevant than like 99% of the sidequests, lmao. I think they tried to make up for a lot there, but it just made me all sad we couldn't see some of those things. 

 

Agreed. It's a shame that were unable to interact more in these missions that definitely seemed more interesting and important then the majority of side quests we did get. I mean how many lost rings are there in Thedas? 

 

 

I'd rather have had that sort of cutscene than several we had. Or even a comment or two in non-cut-scene conversation acknowledging how upset the IQ should have been. Notes left on your desk in your room, even?

edit: I honestly just don't think anything that traumatic should have been a possibility if they weren't willing to put the resources into following through on it. It makes the idea that the close members of the Inquisition are your friends laughable, as well as making the Inquisitor look pretty d****d cold him or herself.

 

Agreed. On both counts. 

 

Is it too much to hope for that one of the story DLCs be focused on our origins? 

[veeia]

There was a thread about that earlier. Personally I think it might be too late, but I would still play the heck out of it.

[Spectre4hire]

Cadash's adventures as the Inquisitor continues.

 

Just finished the Winter Palace. It was nice to hear those two dwarves talking about what was happening in Orzammar, buuut couldn't we have been able to just talk to them directly? Instead of having to eavesdrop on their  conversations. 

 

We could find out what was happening and learn a bit more about the King of Orzammar and the rumors of our Paragon Brosca or Aeducan. 

[vertigomez]

^Me toooo! It would've been nice to be able to participate in the gossip... but I'm actually pretty satisfied by what we got. Especially if Bhelen married Riicccaaaaa (can't stop won't stop ahaha I have a problem).

Aaaand now I want to create Rica in the CC.

[TEWR]

The war table missions in general tend to be more interesting and relevant than like 99% of the sidequests, lmao. I think they tried to make up for a lot there, but it just made me all sad we couldn't see some of those things. 

 

I would much rather have met with the Kal-Sharok Dwarves, or at least an ambassador, then fetch a golden ram that's possessed by a Rage Demon.

[TEWR]

^Me toooo! It would've been nice to be able to participate in the gossip... but I'm actually pretty satisfied by what we got. Especially if Bhelen married Riicccaaaaa (can't stop won't stop ahaha I have a problem).

Aaaand now I want to create Rica in the CC.

 

I wonder how he could've done that when he said he couldn't marry her in Origins because he already had a wife. It seems like the kinda thing that would alienate the family of whoever he's married to from his side (I'm assuming a Helmi, given Jaylia and Nerav were going to marry Trian and the DN respectively).

 

Also I'm probably in the extreme minority but I never really believed Bhelen cared for Rica. I just thought he saw her as a politically convenient thing and charmed her because he wanted a son so he could raise up an entire group of people from Dust Town into House Aeducan, thus making them stronger after they've lost who knows how many warriors and noble children to the Darkspawn/infighting.

[Tishina]

I wonder how he could've done that when he said he couldn't marry her in Origins because he already had a wife. It seems like the kinda thing that would alienate the family of whoever he's married to from his side (I'm assuming a Helmi, given Jaylia and Nerav were going to marry Trian and the DN respectively).

 

Also I'm probably in the extreme minority but I never really believed Bhelen cared for Rica. I just thought he saw her as a politically convenient thing and charmed her because he wanted a son so he could raise up an entire group of people from Dust Town into House Aeducan, thus making them stronger after they've lost who knows how many warriors and noble children to the Darkspawn/infighting.

I don't think he said he had a wife yet, unless I missed a dialogue choice. I think he implied he would have to take a wife from the noble caste, though.

 

I rather thought Rica was the one person Bhelen did care for, to some degree, though getting a paragon as a sister or brother in law certainly gives him an extra motive, so I can see where you might feel the opposite was more likely. However, there's no suggestion he wasn't treating Rica very well either, so I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Lady Artifice]

I personally think Weekes is a fantastic writer but I have my reservations about how well he writes for games, his writing is so cinematic based sometimes I feel, heavy on the narrative he's writing and not a lot of room for the player narrative (I often felt frustrated with the dialogue options I got with his characters/quests, if that makes sense...) however, Inquisition has that problem overall and it's clearly a heavily collaborative process, so I'm not really sure how much of that should be attributed to him specifically. We will see how he does! I'm not worried, I just hope it frees up room for a new, fresh voice at the table.

 

I am worried, because I'm going to miss Gaider, but I have loved a lot of Weekes' contributions. Masked Empire, Solas, etc. I just end up wishing that they could all be a team forever. lol. 

[TEWR]

 

I don't think he said he had a wife yet, unless I missed a dialogue choice. I think he implied he would have to take a wife from the noble caste, though.

 

I rather thought Rica was the one person Bhelen did care for, to some degree, though getting a paragon as a sister or brother in law certainly gives him an extra motive, so I can see where you might feel the opposite was more likely. However, there's no suggestion he wasn't treating Rica very well either, so I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

As I recall, he did get married at some point. I believe it's for a DC on return to Orzammar, and I think Danaduchy showed it in her DC returns to Orzammar video (what would we do without Danaduchy?)

 

EDIT: Yup, just checked it. Rica says, if you ask her if she'll be queen, "Of course not, his wife will be queen". While Bhelen says his son by Rica will "have the same rights as any son of my wife's body". Both lines indicate that he's already married at this point.

 

Honestly I just never thought he valued her as anything more then something he could use. He doesn't even value her enough to tell her the truth about things (though politically I can understand why. Telling her "I got my two brothers removed from political consideration by my machinations" might just make her think he's a bastard -- which he is ). She's operating under a belief that Harrowmont and the DN conspired together to get rid of Trian and Bhelen, because Bhelen told her that.

 

Which to me shows just how much Rica adores him, that she will so readily believe him. In fact, I'd see it as rather manipulative in nature, taking a casteless girl who has very few prospects and leading her along with such things because he's her only hope. That he treats her well is good, certainly, but he kinda has to if he wants to keep up that facade. But it doesn't necessarily mean he actually cares about her.

 

But I'm sort-of a cynical bastard, and it's well known I don't really care for Bhelen (it's not even really hate anymore. It's pity, really, and that's because I fleshed out Xanthos even more lately)

 

Also side note, but Orzammar's swiss-cheese nature shows through when Vartag says the Assembly "is no place for a woman". So Lady Dace and the other female deshyrs are what, guys with some pillowy man-bosoms?

 

EDIT 2: Oh yeah, and Bhelen will "embrace you as a brother" even if you're playing a woman

 

Still, my own beliefs on the thing aside, I'm not saying people need to change their own stance. If in their world they believe Bhelen does care about Rica, then I have no problem with that. But from my perspective going off of everything Origins shows about Bhelen, I don't personally see it.

[Spectre4hire]

Honestly, I always got the impression that the only person Bhelen  truly cared about was himself.

 

Then again my opinion on him is a bit bias b/c I see him as a more cunning/competent Rendon Howe. 

[vertigomez]

I wonder how he could've done that when he said he couldn't marry her in Origins because he already had a wife. It seems like the kinda thing that would alienate the family of whoever he's married to from his side (I'm assuming a Helmi, given Jaylia and Nerav were going to marry Trian and the DN respectively).
 
Also I'm probably in the extreme minority but I never really believed Bhelen cared for Rica. I just thought he saw her as a politically convenient thing and charmed her because he wanted a son so he could raise up an entire group of people from Dust Town into House Aeducan, thus making them stronger after they've lost who knows how many warriors and noble children to the Darkspawn/infighting.

Nah, I don't think he's married-- the few lines we get are ambiguous enough to suggest he ought to be thinking about marriage, but given that he's the youngest son and even Trian wasn't yet hitched, I don't think it's unlikely that he's unwed (assuming he's still alive ).

Now, the question of whether Rica's his concubine or wife is complicated because DAO goes back and forth. Anora and the DC can assume that she's Bhelen's wife, and they'll be corrected... and then you get the criers who're actively trying to discredit Bhelen, and they insist that he plans to take this dirty casteless ****** as his wife-- the scandal!!1 But since DAI gives us this line: "It [the statue of Paragon Brosca] stands in front of the palace. King Bhelen wants all of Orzammar to venerate his wife's noble house." I like to think that he married her as soon as he could feasibly do so.

Whether he actually has affection for her or is just using her to bolster his casteless cred doesn't really matter to much to me LOL. I think they're splendid together either way, like some sort of twisted not-quite Cinderella story.

[Gilsa]

I thought Bhelen was already married, too. I heard the same lines and then there were other lines that contradicted this, like Rica ended up being his wife. To be honest, I have no clue what is what anymore. Harrowmont's alive. Harrowmont's dead. Rica's the wife. Rica's the mistress. It's all speculation at this point.

[TEWR]

I thought Bhelen was already married, too. I heard the same lines and then there were other lines that contradicted this, like Rica ended up being his wife. To be honest, I have no clue what is what anymore. Harrowmont's alive. Harrowmont's dead. Rica's the wife. Rica's the mistress. It's all speculation at this point.

 

It's clear this is all some plot by the nugs.

 

You can't trust them.

[vertigomez]

Well, Schmooples did learn from Leliana...