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[Spectre4hire]

Nice, keep the dwarf fanfic coming. 

 

I once got the idea of an Origins AU Fic that had no Wardens or Blight. It was about an arranged marriage between Princess Aeducan to the second son of Teyrn and Teyrna Bryce and Eleanor. 

[Cespar]

I'm half-way finish with Cespar's fan fiction, but I'll need to proofread, make sure everything is smooth, and add more juicy drama. The life of a carta member is a wild ride after all. 

[EggplantRed]

Yes, keep the dwarf fanfic coming!!   

 

I'm finding the lack of Cadash fic to be a bit of a bummer though [at least on AO3]. There needs to be more.

I have some fic drafted about just her but I have to get some of the lore stuff ironed out first. I also wrote some fic about Alcina and IB's thing together. 

[Gilsa]

@Eggplant -- Ask away! We're around for the long haul.

[Cespar]

Yes, keep the dwarf fanfic coming!!   

 

I'm finding the lack of Cadash fic to be a bit of a bummer though [at least on AO3]. There needs to be more.

I have some fic drafted about just her but I have to get some of the lore stuff ironed out first. I also wrote some fic about Alcina and IB's thing together. 

I'm going to write some fanfic about Cadash and Cassandra, but everything won't just be sex and more sex. Also, I'm going to make sure Cole has plenty of "screen time" in my fanfic. Cole is everything in my gaming life!! 

[EggplantRed]

The fic I've written about Alcina and IB isn't all about smut either. I'm actually terrible at writing smut (to me at least) so for now their fics are just little snippets of them that don't involve sexytimes.

 

Lore question post coming up!

[Tishina]

Nice, keep the dwarf fanfic coming. 

 

I once got the idea of an Origins AU Fic that had no Wardens or Blight. It was about an arranged marriage between Princess Aeducan to the second son of Teyrn and Teyrna Bryce and Eleanor. 

I'm trying, lol. And that sounds like an interesting story...

 

Yes, keep the dwarf fanfic coming!!   

 

I'm finding the lack of Cadash fic to be a bit of a bummer though [at least on AO3]. There needs to be more.

I have some fic drafted about just her but I have to get some of the lore stuff ironed out first. I also wrote some fic about Alcina and IB's thing together. 

Yeah, I've seen almost no other Cadash stories besides mine and maybe a couple of one-shots people have posted links in here for. It's the reason I started the story now while I still have a different uncompleted story going. I'm kind of hoping getting even a couple of them going will encourage other people.

[EggplantRed]

Lore questions:

 

- Typical lifespan of dwarfs?

- How long has House Cadash in its current rendition been surfacers?

- Would they be "owned" by the Carta or more important than that (like a crime syndicate family)?

- Do surface dwarfs have the same issues with fertility as non-surface dwarfs? Especially if the surface dwarfs have been far removed from the Deep Roads for many generations?

[Tishina]

Lore questions:

 

- Typical lifespan of dwarfs?

- How long has House Cadash in its current rendition been surfacers?

- Would they be "owned" by the Carta or more important than that (like a crime syndicate family)?

- Do surface dwarfs have the same issues with fertility as non-surface dwarfs? Especially if the surface dwarfs have been far removed from the Deep Roads for many generations?

Lifespan appears to be about the same as humans, though they haven't clearly addressed it.

 

They haven't given us background on Cadash, and it's actually not entirely clear if that's the IQ personal last name, or the branch of the Carta.

 

Your status and what you did in the Carta has been left open to your interpretation (the options for the Josephine conversation are pretty diverse.) In DAO, Brosca and Rica were more or less owned by the Carta to pay off their mom's debts. I'm playing one of mine as having gotten there in a similar way but the other was born into it and had a relatively high status, mostly fenced goods to the noble houses, etc. The dwarf in my story was more like Brosca, but didn't know how to get out after the debt was paid off.

 

It's unclear if they do, but I'm guessing not as much so since Gorim's surface wife must have gotten pregnant almost immediately...

[EggplantRed]

Lifespan appears to be about the same as humans, though they haven't clearly addressed it.

 

They haven't given us background on Cadash, and it's actually not entirely clear if that's the IQ personal last name, or the branch of the Carta.

 

Your status and what you did in the Carta has been left open to your interpretation (the options for the Josephine conversation are pretty diverse.) In DAO, Brosca and Rica were more or less owned by the Carta to pay off their mom's debts. I'm playing one of mine as having gotten there in a similar way but the other was born into it and had a relatively high status, mostly fenced goods to the noble houses, etc. The dwarf in my story was more like Brosca, but didn't know how to get out after the debt was paid off.

 

It's unclear if they do, but I'm guessing not as much so since Gorim's surface wife must have gotten pregnant almost immediately...

 

 

Tichina, thank you so much! Now I can get moving on Alcina's fics.

I'm playing her as being born into it and the family has power so she's not low on the totem pole by any means.

[TEWR]

 

 

- Typical lifespan of dwarfs?

 

No definitive statements made. One codex has a Shaper commenting on the plight of the Dwarves throughout the centuries with language that suggests he was alive through all of it, while if we look at Orta's lineage papers the last name there (of her great-grandmother) was from 400 years ago.

 

Yet online comments by the devs said "Same as humans".

 

So it's very contradictory. I'd go with the in-game stuff, since it outweighs the devs on this count. Those two are just a couple examples, I believe.

 

- How long has House Cadash in its current rendition been surfacers?

 

 

Generations, according to the codex talking of their exile. How many, we don't know. It's impossible to say for sure. When did Cadash Thaig fall to the Darkspawn? When were they exiled from Orzammar (since the thaig may have fallen but Cadash family fled to Orzammar)?

 

 

 

- Would they be "owned" by the Carta or more important than that (like a crime syndicate family)?

 

Open to headcanon. My Cadash is the youngest son of the Cadash Syndicate's leader, with a few siblings. So you're free to make it as you will.

[Gilsa]

I just assumed Cadash was fired by the Carta for being too high-profile with the Herald business. ("The Carta doesn't like their own to get too famous.") Just my personal take on it.

 

@TEWR -- I found a post with dwarven timelines listed and some theories about Cadash dating back to DAO. I thought it was an interesting read and it seems like something you'd like to delve into as well: http://www.reddit.co..._meets_the_eye/

[Merela]

@TEWR -- I found a post with dwarven timelines listed and some theories about Cadash dating back to DAO. I thought it was an interesting read and it seems like something you'd like to delve into as well: http://www.reddit.co..._meets_the_eye/

 

It was an interesting read indeed! The theory might be stretching a little, but still, it gives food for thoughts. I really hope they'll dwell more on Dwarves in a coming DLC - I know I've said it already, but still!

[Cespar]

I just assumed Cadash was fired by the Carta for being too high-profile with the Herald business. ("The Carta doesn't like their own to get too famous.") Just my personal take on it.

 

@TEWR -- I found a post with dwarven timelines listed and some theories about Cadash dating back to DAO. I thought it was an interesting read and it seems like something you'd like to delve into as well: http://www.reddit.co..._meets_the_eye/

I guess my dwarven level has rising a lot. I think Cadash is our Cadash personal last name. We could very well be descends of Cad'Halash. I don't think that the Kal-Sharok dwarves killed all of the Cad'Halash, and it would be very dangerous for Cad'Halash to continue calling their selves that, which would result in name change, some similar to their original name, like… Cadash.  I think the Cadash(Cad'Halash) Family had to do something that would cover up their whereabouts, like smuggling Lyrium, being known as a criminal organization. Our Cadash could very well have magic in his body, other than being the host for the Mark.

[EggplantRed]

Thanks everyone for the lore help!

 

Here's Alcina

(I finally stopped being stubborn and took some XB1 screenshots)

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

[EggplantRed]

Pardon me if it's been asked already but does anyone know what Cole meant by "even the dwarves don't really remember the dwarves"?

He made that statement when we were in the flooded cave/dwarven ruins below Crestwood.

[Tishina]

Pardon me if it's been asked already but does anyone know what Cole meant by "even the dwarves don't really remember the dwarves"?

He made that statement when we were in the flooded cave/dwarven ruins below Crestwood.

I think that's one of the hints they dropped but didn't explain. Hopefully that means in the future we'll get at least some answers.

[Cespar]

Pardon me if it's been asked already but does anyone know what Cole meant by "even the dwarves don't really remember the dwarves"?
He made that statement when we were in the flooded cave/dwarven ruins below Crestwood.

We just have theories, but not anything that has been proven.

[EggplantRed]

Oh ok. It's my first time taking Cole around this early in the game so he's dropping all these gems I've missed in my previous PTs.

[Gilsa]

Just to help shed a little more light on Cole's comments, there's a codex entry about the Deep Roads that goes all the way back to DAO:  "There isn't a dwarf alive who remembers the Deep Roads as they once were."

 

Deep Roads has been dismantled, thaigs have been crushed, and records have been lost to the continual onslaught of the darkspawn. It's been going on for so long and so much has been lost that no one remembers the old ways. Dwarves that go to the surface are said to lose their stone sense. They started speaking the common language so they could trade with the surface so we hear less and less of the original dwarven language. (Kal-Sharok has remained closed off from the rest of the world so it's likely they still continue to speak in their own dialect.)

 

So either Cole is alluding to something specific in his ever-mysterious way that we can't decipher or he's speaking generally which would fit with the above codex since he's observing nugs among destroyed dwarf architecture.

[Cespar]

Cadash and Varric still have their resistance and connection to the stone, because they stay near Lyrium, which can be classified as stone. They'll only lose their connection staying in a city with no ties to Lyrium, which is all over Orzammar and the Deep Roads.

I believe Harding may have already lost her connection to the stone, since she grew up in a small village. Dagna has been exposed to a lot of Lyrium, and she's still connected to the stone, despite being on the surface. Her strange dream may be the effected of the highly Lyrium exposure.

[Cydh]

Hey everyone, I'm the author of the reddit thread about House Cadash that was linked here a few posts ago, linking the Inquisitor to Shale, Kal'Sharok, Cad'Halash and possibly Paragon Fairel.

 

I would love to revisit it and add/remove whatever deserves a mention or doesn't make much sense!

 

Lore questions:

 

- Typical lifespan of dwarfs?

- How long has House Cadash in its current rendition been surfacers?

- Would they be "owned" by the Carta or more important than that (like a crime syndicate family)?

- Do surface dwarfs have the same issues with fertility as non-surface dwarfs? Especially if the surface dwarfs have been far removed from the Deep Roads for many generations?

 

As far as we know, the lifespan is pretty much the same as human beings.

 

House Cadash had a Thaig, and the Thaig had statues of Golems, which were created during the first Blight, with Shale as the first female golem.

 

My personal interpretation of the banishment is that they did something bad enough to warrant banishment of the entire house - it used to be a Warrior House, so it can be anything, but my own theory is that they accidentally provoked a Blight a short time after the events described in the codex Letters From The Past, by trying to reactivate the Eluvian from Cad'Halash, or by letting an Ancient Magister know about it. Another theory is that once Kal-Sharok realized their deed might be uncovered, they set House Cadash up for something and forced Orzammar to banish them.

 

 

 

I almost got caught running these things to your man. They'll hang me if they find out. I want a bigger cut.. fifty or we're done.

 

Considering what we know of Kal-Sharok and their current relation to the Blight, we will probably learn more about it once we visit it (my bet is on the next game).

 

Anyway, whatever the reason, the banishment itself would be have happened anywhere from a hundred years ago to a thousand years ago at best ("generations"). If it happened like I suspect at the time of the Second Blight, that would put the banishment between 1:00-1:50 Divine, or about 800-850 years ago.

 

Regarding the Carta: I supposed once you banish an entire House they kind of stay in touch with each other, and would tend to unite their strength to settle topside. It would make sense for the Carta to suggest an alliance of sorts between the Merchant's Guild and the Cadash. House Cadash was originally a Warrior House, it makes sense to have them as bruisers protecting important goods. The Carta would be responsible for dealing with Orzammar, the Merchant's Guild would be responsible for dealing with the Circles, and the Cadash family would ensure that the Lyrium can properly flow on the surface.

 

It's also possible that the Carta is actually an organization born from the main branch of House Cadash, and that would give us other ways to identify when House Cadash was banished.

 

If House Cadash created the Carta or the Lyrium Trade within the Carta, and was banished for that reason, and if the Lyrium trade was created along with the Templar order and the Circle of Magi, that would put the date of banishment around the time of the Nevarran Accord (1:20 Divine), roughly at the time of the events of Jaws of Hakkon DLC.

 

I'll spoiler tag the part dealing with Jaws of Hakkon - these are Mild Spoilers. Literally a few lines from codex entries about two secondary characters that are hardly mentioned and have nothing to do with the actual plot of the DLC nor the important Lore we discover there. You don't risk much if you click it, but it's still spoiler-ish.

 

Spoiler

Haron (one of the first Inquisitor's companion) was possibly one of the first templars - he had "discovered" how to use Lyrium against demons and was arguing about the "cost" with Telanna.

 

"If you count eight times, will the number change?" O. asks. She's been watching me these last few days, whatever she says to the contrary. Damned blue bottles. I did not plan this journey as well as should.

 

 

"O" here is Orinna. She's a dwarven warrior and an alchemist from Orzammar. Could she be from House Cadash, and the one "procuring" Haron with his Lyrium and setting up the organized Lyrium trade branch of the Carta, when the Inquisition was itself laying the ground for the use of Lyrium by the Templar Order?

 

Strangely enough, this all happened pretty much at the same time the Second Blight started in the Anderfels.

 

These two theories for the banishment of House Cadash (for provoking the Second Blight and for dealing with surfacers and creating the Lyrium Trade with the Carta - or even the Carta itself) would both fit in roughly the same period: within the period that separate the creation of the first Inquisition and the Nevarran Accord, which also includes the Second Blight. Two unrelated theories giving us the same date: about 800-850 years ago, or around 1:00 Divine.

 

Conveniently enough, it also fits with the bits I mention in my Reddit post about Shayle Cadash being the first woman warrior caste Paragon, whose title was potentially stripped from the Memory when House Cadash was banished: Astyth the Grey was granted the title of first woman warrior Paragon roughly a hundred years after these events in 1:95 Divine.

 

Regarding fertility: no idea! I imagine consorting is less common on the surface, simply because there are very few matches "at hand". Without the help of Noble Hunters, families would naturally tend to go extinct, especially without official settlements. For that reason, I say it's probably easier to conceive on the surface.

[daveliam]

Awesome reads the past few days.  God, I've missed this thread! 

[Tishina]

Awesome reads the past few days.  God, I've missed this thread! 

Hey! Good to see you around!

[TheDwarfOfOrzammar]

Only if the surface had a Dwarven Kingdom/City.....unite the two armies and make Thedas, feel and hear the Dwarven might! Haha......... Part of me wants to help the dwarves of course, to gain old territories and cities underground...we can learn so much more plus....who doesn't want the dwarves to be powerful again