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[Tishina]

Catching up (not worried about spoilers, lol, it'll be fresh to me...)

 

But all of this raises a completely different question

 

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Templars take lyrium and are addicted. They go mad or die usually (Cullen seems to be an exception so far) if they stop. Can ya'll see ways what you found out tie into the descriptions of lyrium addiction. Cole has some fascinating things to say about Cullen and Templars and lyrium hearing a "song" I think? Plus of course, the codex entries.

 

And yes, I'm finding the handful of people who seem to think this didn't have much meat pretty amusing (most of whom seem to have speed run and didn't "get" most of the references, sigh.)

 

Are those armors race-gated? If so, do you have to use a special fabric to remove the class restriction on the cloth armor because I love that one!

[Bayonet Hipshot]

From QueenLionSnake in Dragon Age Reddit:

 

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Now, I'm probably reaching, like a lot... But I was suddenly reminded of what happened if Leliana was slain in the Temple of Sacred Ashes. She was obviously brought back to life, but how? Well, what do the Temple of Sacred Ashes and now Valta possibly have in common? Pure lyrium. Oghren mentions how the Temple has pure lyrium in it, and Valta now has the power/magic of pure Lyrium granted by the Titan. Could Valta have used this power to bring Renn back (if that is indeed how Leliana came back)?

[themageguy]

I hope we can play a dwarven shaper next game...please Bioware, this would be awesome!

[Tishina]

I hope we can play a dwarven shaper next game...please Bioware, this would be awesome!

I feel like this is where that was heading, or a shaper-companion, but it'll probably depend on how difficult it is to set up a completely separate class for dwarves...

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Moar Lore Speculation

 

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So Red Lyrium seems to suggest that somewhere, a Titan is corrupted. I wonder if perhaps 'the void' is actually a term for the space within a Titan.

 

Flemeth's daughter, Yavana mentions that Great Dragons are the life blood of the world. This DLC suggests Titans. The Old Gods are still buried beneath the earth, and being sought out by the corrupted darkspawn.

 

I do not think either statement is incorrect, I just wonder how it all fits together.

 

An additional thought. Because it seems likely that a Titan is corrupted, thus creating Red Lyrium, then Lyrium itself is not the cause of the blight as some theories have speculated. It just seems to be a very powerful transmitter of it.

 

One thing that is interesting is this: - All the things that seem to be missing from the world [Elven immortality, direct connection to the Fade, Dwarven connection to their Titans, Great Dragons] seem to be heavily tied to magic. Then something happened to sever all of them. I wonder if something out there specifically targeted magic and tried to remove it from Thedas.

 

Hence, the great 'betrayal' that Flemeth talks about ? Flemeth on Mythal: "She was betrayed as I was betrayed, as the world was betrayed !" In the opening of Dragon Age Origins, in the cutscene, you see a tree being blackened and fading away. The tree is the symbol of Mythal.

 

That point, Mythal murder coupled with something else, seemed to spark some major reactions in Thedas. Worse still, it appears that the beings responsible for them are still around. If not Mythal would not be working for few thousand years for vengeance.

 

[TEWR]

I'm just wondering why the hell I can't start the DLC. No WT missions are showing up, nothing in the journal, etc.

 

It's downloaded/installed and the patch is also there, so why the hell am I not seeing anything on any of my saves where I'm at Skyhold (pre-ending or not)?

[Gilsa]

Are those armors race-gated? If so, do you have to use a special fabric to remove the class restriction on the cloth armor because I love that one!

 

They're not race-gated. To remove the cloth armor restriction, use dales loden wool.  There were a couple blue drops that were dwarf-only, but their graphics were the Legion of the Dead armor just like the Carta Coat remains restricted to dwarves. This was perfectly fair and did not deprive the other races out of anything new.

 

 

I'm just wondering why the hell I can't start the DLC. No WT missions are showing up, nothing in the journal, etc.

 

It's downloaded/installed and the patch is also there, so why the hell am I not seeing anything on any of my saves where I'm at Skyhold (pre-ending or not)?

 

 

That's odd. Just a stab in the dark, try repairing your game files and see. I had to do that after my game locked up when trying to zone into the DLC and it was better from there. There should be something on the war table just like JoH.

[Elhanan]

Be aware that terrain tactics will be more of a priority in Descent than normal; much the same as was encountered in JoH, but the current DLC has much longer drops.

[EggplantRed]

I'm just swimming in all this dwarf lore and revelations in here.

I'm going to play it again with Ferinda then bring back any questions I have after getting a chance to soak it all in.

[Gilsa]

Ditto. I was actually overwhelmed at one point from all the binging I was doing on codexes and letters. Still need to re-read them to sift and digest it all. Not a bad thing, heh. Now I need to pull out my other character and see what the conversational differences are in regards to: 

 

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King Bhelen and King Harrowmont.

 

My first two world states didn't keep the anvil, but I'm wondering if this has an impact on the dialogue (it did for Winter Palace dwarves).

[Bayonet Hipshot]

When going through the gates that required gears and special carvings, the notes on them implied the carver sacrificed his child to be able to do it. And one of the mugs we find is from Bodahn.

 

Maybe the carver's son who was sacrificed is Sandal?

[TEWR]

reposting a tumblr post I just made:

 

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Okay, I’m at the part after the Thaig Liberation in the Descent and I’m going to say this much

 

This DLC is pissing me off with how the information options are written in a decidedly “I know nothing about Dwarven culture” slant and don’t change, at all, for a Dwarf Inquisitor. Who grew up with this ****. Who has heard about it for their lives, whether or not they believe it.

 

Like it wasn’t so bad in the early stages. I could ignore it there. But it’s everywhere here. And the DLC is otherwise pretty fun – albeit still very lacking to me in meaningfulness for the overarching story of Inquisition.

 

At the very least I would like separate options to maintain consistency since Cadash can say they feel a connection to the Stone to Josephine, but in this DLC will act like they have never even heard of the concept. That was something that irritated the hell out of me because BW didn’t even remember Dwarves could say that to Josephine so why can’t I say **** like that here?

 

Even if Renn and Varla ended up saying “Bullshit, you’re a surfacer Dwarf” I would at least be happy that I could roleplay a consistent Cadash.

 

And it’s not like the devs couldn’t have done the whole “I believe in Andraste choosing me, therefore I get special options” thing for these sorts of things. Like you start off the DLC talking about your beliefs in regards to the Stone and it opens up other options.

 

Like I realize these are all optional choices, but the paraphrases are so poorly rendered that I don’t know until I do pick one. And it’s just maddening how this DLC was written purely from a non-Dwarf standpoint and once again we get a few token options

 

 

 

 

 

Ditto. I was actually overwhelmed at one point from all the binging I was doing on codexes and letters. Still need to re-read them to sift and digest it all. Not a bad thing, heh. Now I need to pull out my other character and see what the conversational differences are in regards to: 

 

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King Bhelen and King Harrowmont.

 

My first two world states didn't keep the anvil, but I'm wondering if this has an impact on the dialogue (it did for Winter Palace dwarves).

 

I'm playing with a worldstate with that choice and I haven't noticed anything yet.

[TEWR]

Also we may have also discovered what happened to House Valdasine in this DLC. By that I mean that we can extrapolate and extend one piece of knowledge in the later part of the DLC to House Valdasine (and not that we actually learn anything about them).

[The Hierophant]

Also we may have also discovered what happened to House Valdasine in this DLC. By that I mean that we can extrapolate and extend one piece of knowledge in the later part of the DLC to House Valdasine (and not that we actually learn anything about them).

I wondered about this too. Hopefully the writers didn't forget about this piece of lore.

[MisterJB]

Are there extra dialogue options if Kieran has mentioned the Titans to Cadash?

[Elhanan]

Are there extra dialogue options if Kieran has mentioned the Titans to Cadash?

Am also wondering if there are bonus dialogues about this due to certain Codex Perks. My Cadash Rogue did not take any, and perks cannot be respec'd.

[MisterJB]

Yes, Noble has the Inquisitor discussing the effects of lyrium shortage on Orzammar and the surface and Arcane has the Inquisitor guessing correctly about a great number of things or stating facts like "dwarves can't do magic".

[Spectre4hire]

That was... Glorious! 

 

Our day has finally come, dwarves. 

 

My poor Orion Cadash wasn't strong enough to finish the DLC.   However, I loved all the dwarf specific dialogue choices he got during the time I used him. 

 

So I had to finish it with my main Trev. All day today with some breaks but it  was worth it. 

 

Loved the two dwarf NPCs. They were great.

 

The new schematics were awesome. That shield is beautiful. I don't think I'll ever need another one. And that armor... Nice. 

 

But no new materials? Was it just me or was anyone else annoyed by the amount of iron and serpenstone down there? Seriously? Give me something better. Dwarves deserve better. 

 

BTW, how do you get the spoiler toggles? I tried to be non spoilery above, but let me know if I need to change anything, but there is stuff I do want to discuss that is def spoilers. Thanks. 

[Gilsa]

For spoiler tags, use [ spoiler ] and [ /spoiler ] (take out the spaces).

 

What level was Orion when you decided you couldn't finish him? I've been wondering if level 15ish is too low to be starting the dungeon. I went from level 24 to 26 on this DLC alone.

[Gilsa]

Are there extra dialogue options if Kieran has mentioned the Titans to Cadash?

 

He wasn't in my game so I can't answer this. Just didn't want you to think you were being ignored.

[Spectre4hire]

Thanks. Gilsa.

 

He was at level 15. The enemies scale with you. So everyone I fought was level 15. I think the problem with Orion was he and his crew's gear just wasn't up to snuff. So it ended up being drawn out fights and they didn't have the weapons and armor to keep going. If that makes sense. 

 

When I used my main Trev he was at 23 and he and his crew (Cassandra, Solas, Vivienne) had just finished the Jaws of Hakkon DLC and all had great gear especially Viv and Solas whose staffs both had fade touched obsidian which meant their health rarely went down. And I think Trev finished at either level 25 or 26, and I still have to go to the Arbor Wilds and face the Elder One. 

[Tishina]

Thanks. Gilsa.

 

He was at level 15. The enemies scale with you. So everyone I fought was level 15. I think the problem with Orion was he and his crew's gear just wasn't up to snuff. So it ended up being drawn out fights and they didn't have the weapons and armor to keep going. If that makes sense. 

 

When I used my main Trev he was at 23 and he and his crew (Cassandra, Solas, Vivienne) had just finished the Jaws of Hakkon DLC and all had great gear especially Viv and Solas whose staffs both had fade touched obsidian which meant their health rarely went down. And I think Trev finished at either level 25 or 26, and I still have to go to the Arbor Wilds and face the Elder One. 

 You need a / inside the second tag

[Spectre4hire]

Whoops. 

 

Hey, I did it! It took me way too long to figure that out  Thanks for the help, Gilsa and Tishina  

 

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test

 

[themageguy]

Yes, Noble has the Inquisitor discussing the effects of lyrium shortage on Orzammar and the surface and Arcane has the Inquisitor guessing correctly about a great number of things or stating facts like "dwarves can't do magic".

Yeah i was surprised by how fairly immersive you could be with that perk (which feels even better as a mage- was a bit weird that my tempest archer mentioned to solas that he had studied summoning circles...um why?) in this DLC.

[TEWR]

Are there extra dialogue options if Kieran has mentioned the Titans to Cadash?

 

No. In fact, the DLC assumes Cadash has never heard of the Titans before, no matter what (I'm using a post-game save).

 

Honestly kinda annoyed me.