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[Merela]

Don't mind me guys, I've the sudden urge to spam the thread with Fjalar before going to bed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[draken-heart]

Do not mind me, just playing around with my newest character, the carta rogue Duvessa Cadash (I used the name before, just made her appearance cooler):

 

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Feel free to ask any questions you may have about her, if you want.

[Tishina]

But it's a new day! Harding has lent dwarves a bit more, erm, stature. Whatever the predictions about a dwarven LI in DA4- and they certainly look better now than during the dark days of DA2- there is some more general positivity toward dwarves in DA now due to Harding's popularity. We don't have to live with the "wasted resources" complaint anymore!

 

But, OK. I hear ya's. I just get irked at an OP that's not particularly dwarf-centric or interesting to folks that might otherwise warm to the dwarves if they had a better welcome to the "support group..." and which can't be meddled with. The other "fan" threads all have relatively active OP's that throw out a huge welcome mat with links, fan art, pics, lore expositions... you know- fun stuff. Even some pretty obscure NPCs have some pretty rich OP's. It's probably too much to get a "mass" migration to a new thread, but I certainly think we deserve better that what we're getting here. And a link to this thread would be prominent in the new OP, plus the whole "Assembly" aspect would seem a bit more recognizable when the OP is reflecting the Assembly's will.

 

 

Yeah, that's the biggest issue for myself proposing it, despite loving the idea: I'm a returning dwarf fan who's been absent quite a while. I kept piping up on the DAO dwarf thread to keep it active, but it didn't help much to keep it percolating. I think I'd do a great job of "hosting" a new DAI dwarf thread, but it would probably be more fitting for more of a veteran to start one. Still, there are advantages to such a new thread, one being that we actually could change the title as we wish. I just haven't been in this thread (or DAI) long enough to become wed to this one, so it's easier for me to consider.

 

As to "Dwarven Assembly," I've warmed to that myself now that you mention it's not necessarily the Orzammar Assembly. In our Assembly Dusters are dwarfple too.

As much as I love Harding, I think several prior dwarven NPCs did quite well before her (Varric, for instance, and Sigrun for some of us.) And the OP was dwarf-centric. I'm not certain exactly why he/she left, but some of the changes they made to dwarves and some of the cinematic problems pushed some people away from playing dwarves in DAI.

 

Considering the short lives of most threads that aren't dedicated to a specific companion/advisor, I think the people here have represented dwarf-dom quite well over the past year. I understand you're enthusiastic, but this is home; I have no interest in giving up everything we've built without much better reason. There are literally hundreds of screenshots of people's dwarven IQs on here, etc.

[Bhryaen]

Okee-doke. Still... I hadda try. I still think it'd be better and no actual loss since the link to the old thread would still be there. It's not as if the old thread would be jettisoned, just kept in an accessible storage vault. But there's something to the understatedness of this thread that appeals as well- like a dive restaurant that has great food or an acquired taste (which dwarves tend to be anyway).

 

True about Harding being more of a late-comer to popularity of dwarves. I'd forgotten about the Oghren appeal, mostly because the devs later said they'd overestimated the appeal he'd get, mostly due to how late in the game you pick him up in DAO. Varric though- yeah. If any single dwarf were to be singled out as the one who popularized dwarfdom most, it would be Chest Hair Dude. Still, it's not clear how much further Varric will go in the series, while Harding still has traction and has some standing as well. And there be many DAI fans who never got to know Varric in DA2. I only played DA2 just before starting DAI (a little over a month ago) because (and I was so right) I figured the lore from it would be essential to fully appreciating DAI's storyline. I'd say Varric is the stronger character between the two as well, but again, his longevity may be limited at the end of DAI. (I haven't gotten to Trespasser yet to make a better estimate...) So I put forward Harding in that respect... Long-time dwarf fans will instantly recognize Varric, but general DAI fans are probably noticing Harding more.

 

Brings up another notion that's been mulling about in my cranium. I get the impression that Varric is actually a sort of cameo of Gaider in DA. For one, he's a fiction writer- and one who actually narrates DA2 (narrated to narrate)- and is arguably the most grounded of all the characters, more involved in his own personal story than, say- a Seeker, a Tal-Vashoth, a spirit, a Warden, a Red Jenny. He's his own guy- not really a carta dwarf or anything to categorize him. Plus he gets to have the most off-the-cuff commentary and "straight talk" of any companion as well. Not sure if Gaider considers himself a rogue or has much of a sense of humor, but a similar argument was made on the DAO Zevran thread about Zev. Except Zevran didn't write stories. Still, sometimes when I'm listening to him, I get a 4th wall breach thing where it seems like he's speaking directly to the player. There was a comment he made once about the difference between dwarven and human fiction that made me pause a bit. I'm probably wrong since the companions seem to be written by individual members of the writing team, not Gaider himself, but I still gotta wonder.

[Bhryaen]

There are literally hundreds of screenshots of people's dwarven IQs on here, etc.

Here... 100s and 2.

 

My DW rogue, Brosca... named 'cause I miss my favorite DAO character- also a DW rogue Duster. I want to change her name though because the name Kruklya started with my first NWN(1) character, Kruklya Battleforge, (yet another dwarfy girl, this one a fighter-rogue) and was carried to my first DAO character to complete the game. I'd rather name my Inqy Kruklya too, as if she'd been named after the famous Duster Paragon, carrying on the hallowed name of yore. Starting her over for a name change after the number of CC redos I went through before I finally settled... daunting...

 

And Blunchard who will be an amalgam of a number of dwarves I made in DAO, including one named Blunchard who I never got anywhere with because, well, another rogue? It would've been different as a rogue Aeducan, but... not different enough. DAI Blunchard's look is more like my attempt at a DW warrior in DAO (I regret never having played him since the class has been eliminated, alas), a Brosca named Snark (my avatar). He'll be my 2H warrior in DAI, like my DAO 2H warrior Aeducan princess named Klydia. His keep profile for DAO is my SnS warrior Jagan Aeducan though. See? Covered all bases! All key information essential to... well, me, but...

 

[Remki]

Oh, I like your Cadash!

 

Shhh don't say that, I'll be compelled to share even more because I love my Cadash so much!

 

Oops nvm too late. Here's some more Nakida Cadash

 

 

More under the cut if you're interested

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[Bhryaen]

Wow, Remki, such a unique look. The scene of her sitting with Josephine is so cool. I was going to say she looks like a dwarven Josephine, except even more "exotic." Like the Egyptian sphynx. The eyes work so well with the tattoo, something I seem never to be able to pull off. That's regular CC hair? Damn, you made it look so "right-" found the kind of look that it "fits."

 

Just had to share this one. What happens when you don't bring Varric along to the Fade with you to pressure you to pick the other guy...

 

 

Awwww.... Now that's a big lug with heart.

[Wintersonne123]

Oh man, all your dwarves are so handsome. Mine always look a little wonky because I had to pull back performance on my PC all the way so Inquisition plays without crashing.

 

 

Can't say I'm surprised about the content-skimpiness for dwarquisitors/Varric in Descent (of all places), but OK. Still a great run- my favorite place for scenery in the game so far. Lyrium veins (the regular kind) look way better than in DAO.

 

You can put daggers on Varric??!! Well, there's failing to think outside the box for you. I totally just assumed DAI was like DA2 where Bianca was wed to Varric's grip. That may be the way to get him to use the mines better (since he'd be in range more often)? I'll remember what you said on the next playthrough when I'm playing my 2H dwarf since Varric will be there the whole time. This first game I was trading companions based on whoever seemed the most area-specific (Varric for Hissing Wastes for the dwarven ruins, etc.), but now I see I miss a lot of good, unexpected commentary that way, so it'll be Varric the whole way.

 

 

Yeah, despite that, I do still like the Descent. My heart sank a little as I saw six layers of Deep Roads, much as I like them, but varying it up with the "raw" roads was a good idea, and they really are beautiful. And at least Varric complains a couple times because you dragged him into the deepest, darkest hole you found yet, since he loves caves so much.

 

You can! I didn't think of that the first time around, either, but then realised he probably has the double daggers tree for a reason, and that his Artificer thing really makes a whole lot more sense close range. As you say, the mines aren't very useful when you're manning the back row - although I have basically used him as bodyguard for the mage sometimes because the trip mine gives everyone enough time to leg it while the warriors catch up with whomever got interested in the glass cannons. Varric's AI is completely stupid with them, though, it will just throw them at random in front of his feet even if he's 30 feet away from the battlefield.

 

It's all baby steps with Varric - he won't use any other bow but Bianca yet, but at least he'll put Bianca down for other weapons now!

[Remki]

 

Wow, Remki, such a unique look. The scene of her sitting with Josephine is so cool. I was going to say she looks like a dwarven Josephine, except even more "exotic." Like the Egyptian sphynx. The eyes work so well with the tattoo, something I seem never to be able to pull off. That's regular CC hair? Damn, you made it look so "right-" found the kind of look that it "fits."

 

Thanks Bhryaen! Yep, that's plain old vanilla CC hair. There's an unfortunate lack of really good cc mods for Dwarven Inquisitors, including not as many hairstyles. But this one worked and went with Nakida's personality, so it wasn't a huge issue.

 

Yeah, despite that, I do still like the Descent. My heart sank a little as I saw six layers of Deep Roads, much as I like them, but varying it up with the "raw" roads was a good idea, and they really are beautiful. And at least Varric complains a couple times because you dragged him into the deepest, darkest hole you found yet, since he loves caves so much.

 

Oh man, I love the Dwarven ruins stuff in DAI. Loved it in the previous games too, but really liked having it in HD. Still haven't played the Descent DLC yet (can't afford it atm) but here's some landscape spam from some of the main game Thaigs 

 

[Olwaye]

 

Considering the short lives of most threads that aren't dedicated to a specific companion/advisor, I think the people here have represented dwarf-dom quite well over the past year. I understand you're enthusiastic, but this is home; I have no interest in giving up everything we've built without much better reason. There are literally hundreds of screenshots of people's dwarven IQs on here, etc.

 

I am with Tishina on that, I have no interest in throwing this thread away to start anew. Maybe the Mods can change the name of the Thread if we expalin that the OP hasn't been around for quite some time.

 

 

On a unrelated matter, I have replay my Elrik since The Golden Nug went on so here are a few pics of him with "proper" dwarf gear at Haven and some of the new outfits in Shyhold (boy did he have a blast with his wardrobe, for such a snappy dresser that was a gift from the gods )

 

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[TobiTobsen]

Yeah, despite that, I do still like the Descent. My heart sank a little as I saw six layers of Deep Roads, much as I like them, but varying it up with the "raw" roads was a good idea, and they really are beautiful. And at least Varric complains a couple times because you dragged him into the deepest, darkest hole you found yet, since he loves caves so much.

 

I was a bit miffed at first when I noticed the lack of dwarven PC related content.

 

My Cadash was unmasked as a boaster, since he claimed to have visited Orzammar hundreds of times, yet lacked some basic knowledge. But when his knowledge about the Legion was also revealed as book smarts, since it was triggered by the history knowledge perk and not him being a dwarf, I had a good chuckle about that and simply rolled with it. Poor boastful Carta thug Thoryn had to keep up appearance in front of his companions and stumbled from one common knowledge incident to the next.

 

But I was rather pleased with the reveal that he was able to decipher at least some of the ancient dwarven runes in the deeper parts of the maze. At least some vindication for him!

[Wintersonne123]

@Remki Damn, look how pretty that is. I really do love the style of dwarven architecture they made up.

 

@TobiTobsen Haha, it's nice you at least managed to involve it in your headcanon, despite all the stumbling blocks they put in your way. I also did like that they gave them the dwarven runes. I played the ruins with my first Inquisitor Edric, the poor guy who always ends up doing stuff wrong because he's always my guinea pig for everything, so he was just meekly going along with everything because he's never really been in the Deep Roads other than in Inquisition and was really impressed with the Legion.

 

Under the cut a picture of the raw lyrium with Edric (with a mission tag, so beware spoilers). It has three dwarves in it and no other people! I feel like I did a great job on a Dragon Age version of Pokémon Snap . And another picture of my other stoic bastard Dwarfquisitor who I'm playing right now. I have a feeling he and TobiTobsen's Inquisitor would get along. Or maybe get in a fight.

 

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[TobiTobsen]

Fight? It would be the most epic bromance ever!

They would probably squabble who came up with the tattoo and beard combo first, if "completly bald" or "stubble" are a better fit and who got his nose broken more often, before drinking obscene amounts of dwarven ale, surfing down lyrium veins on their shields and trying to decapitate Darkspawn on the go!

 

[Sifr]

Y'know, I feel rather slow to have noticed this only on my umpteenth playthrough, but it suddenly dawned on me there's a huge dwarven structure and/or entrance to the Deep Roads on the island where you fight Vinsomer.

 

Really makes me wish that we could have explored the dwarven ruins on the Storm Coast far more than we were able to. Could have made Descent even more fun to have our makeshift lift located in a ruin that was (mostly) intact when we previously explored it, only to be utterly trashed once we began the DLC and remain in that state if we returned to it after completion.

 

I was a bit miffed at first when I noticed the lack of dwarven PC related content.

 

In retrospect, wouldn't it have been cool if both the Descent (and possibly all of Inquisition) had made it so dark areas and the Deep Roads were a little more illuminated for Elves and Dwarves, since they are supposed to have superior night vision?

 

I know it sounds like a really minor detail to quibble over, but that Bioware made certain that the Crossroads did look different to Elven Inquisitors in Trespasser was extremely satisfying for us lore-junkies in the fandom.

 

[vertigomez]

Sigh. I love Alix's performance (especially when she's grrr angry), but I feel like I'll never be able to come up with a satisfactory reason for a Carta thug to sound that damn posh. Back to the drawing board, kids!

Also, am I the only one who thinks it's especially cool

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when a dwarven Inq knifes that map of Tevinter? Given their history and all, I just think there's an extra bit of world-shifting ominousness there, even if it doesn't actually mean anything different.

No idea if we're still tagging Trespasser spoilers, sooo...

[Sifr]

Sigh. I love Alix's performance (especially when she's grrr angry), but I feel like I'll never be able to come up with a satisfactory reason for a Carta thug to sound that damn posh. Back to the drawing board, kids!

 

I suppose you could headcanon that Cadash picked up the accent because they grew up on the streets amongst humans (who's accents span the British Isles) after being orphaned at an early age. One of their distant relatives finally managed to track them down and introduced them to the "family business" when they were in their early teens.

 

Would gel with how Cadash can mentioning joining the Carta just to survive and how their codex mentions how they grew up on the streets, suggesting that despite their family being heavily involved in the Carta, our Cadash personally knows what it was like to experience poverty at some point?

[vertigomez]

I suppose you could headcanon that Cadash picked up the accent because they grew up on the streets amongst humans (who's accents span the British Isles) after being orphaned at an early age. One of their distant relatives finally managed to track them down and introduced them to the "family business" when they were in their early teens.
 
Would gel with how Cadash can mentioning joining the Carta just to survive and how their codex mentions how they grew up on the streets, suggesting that despite their family being heavily involved in the Carta, our Cadash personally knows what it was like to experience poverty at some point?

AHHH. Thanks for this. I like the idea of being raised "human" and being tracked down by relatives later. Like... some kind of sleeper agent. The idea of a street rat desperately wanting to improve her life, even joining a criminal organization and adopting an accent just to feel like she's less garbagey than she feels.

...aaaaand now I made myself sad...

[Gilsa]

I was a bit miffed at first when I noticed the lack of dwarven PC related content.

 

My Cadash was unmasked as a boaster, since he claimed to have visited Orzammar hundreds of times, yet lacked some basic knowledge. But when his knowledge about the Legion was also revealed as book smarts, since it was triggered by the history knowledge perk and not him being a dwarf, I had a good chuckle about that and simply rolled with it. Poor boastful Carta thug Thoryn had to keep up appearance in front of his companions and stumbled from one common knowledge incident to the next.

 

But I was rather pleased with the reveal that he was able to decipher at least some of the ancient dwarven runes in the deeper parts of the maze. At least some vindication for him!

 

Descent made me regret not picking up all the dialogue perks. I was roleplaying my thug as street-smart, but not worldly-smart so I skipped all the perks except for the underworld one. I did have a second "master of all secrets" Cadash that I replayed Descent with and counted seven dialogue perks. It bothered me that I didn't have access to the possible dialogues in a dwarven DLC  on my canon (even if I don't select 'em!) so I've been replaying and picking up those perks first thing. =p

 

Sigh. I love Alix's performance (especially when she's grrr angry), but I feel like I'll never be able to come up with a satisfactory reason for a Carta thug to sound that damn posh. Back to the drawing board, kids!

Also, am I the only one who thinks it's especially cool

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when a dwarven Inq knifes that map of Tevinter? Given their history and all, I just think there's an extra bit of world-shifting ominousness there, even if it doesn't actually mean anything different.

No idea if we're still tagging Trespasser spoilers, sooo...

 

Oh, man. Between Descent and "where we might be going next," I'm excited for what kind of dwarf we may be playing next. I saw a comment in another thread where someone didn't like the idea of playing dwarves because "they always play the victim." That wasn't necessarily true, but wasn't worth arguing about at the time. Dorian says that attitudes about dwarves are much different where he's from and I'd dearly love to play a dwarf from that area.

 

And I have no idea what the grace period is on tagging Descent and Trespasser spoilers. Better safe than sorry, I guess.

[TobiTobsen]

Oh, man. Between Descent and "where we might be going next," I'm excited for what kind of dwarf we may be playing next. I saw a comment in another thread where someone didn't like the idea of playing dwarves because "they always play the victim." That wasn't necessarily true, but wasn't worth arguing about at the time. Dorian says that attitudes about dwarves are much different where he's from and I'd dearly love to play a dwarf from that area.

 

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The Descent and Shaper Valta's fate nurtured the glimmer of hope in me that we may see dwarven mages in the future.

 

Never again shall I be torn between the awesomeness that is the dwarven race and the glory of smiting fools with the power of the arcane! Stone be praised!

 

[Sifr]

It's a shame we know so little about our Inquisitor's background and that we have to headcanon most of it.

 

Trevelyan and Adaar are the only ones who's parents are even mentioned directly, Lavellan only ever mentions their clan (which I suppose is an extended family), while Cadash seems to imply their clan is rather large and spread out.

 

Although it might make sense why Cadash doesn't mention them if my headcanon is right and "the Dasher" is not just their boss, but the nickname for a member of their family so ruthless and cut-throat he makes Bartrand and Branka look downright cuddly in comparison. If you had a relative who responded to finding out you survived the explosion that vapourised a mountain and your lyrium shipment, by placing a hit on you, I doubt you'd talk much about them either!

[vertigomez]

Oh, man. Between Descent and "where we might be going next," I'm excited for what kind of dwarf we may be playing next. I saw a comment in another thread where someone didn't like the idea of playing dwarves because "they always play the victim." That wasn't necessarily true, but wasn't worth arguing about at the time. Dorian says that attitudes about dwarves are much different where he's from and I'd dearly love to play a dwarf from that area.
 
And I have no idea what the grace period is on tagging Descent and Trespasser spoilers. Better safe than sorry, I guess.

I... I- dwarves?!

I think some people have their fictional races confused. LOL But I really am intrigued by Dorian's comments, and I would love love love to play a dwarf who was familiar with Tevinter. Especially if they're more of a traditional dwarf from one of the many underground embassies. I love the Carta like woah, but I'm kind of sick of defaulting to a criminal at this point, reformed or not. I wanna be the other kind of greedy dwarf!

It's a shame we know so little about our Inquisitor's background and that we have to headcanon most of it.
 
Trevelyan and Adaar are the only ones who's parents are even mentioned directly, Lavellan only ever mentions their clan (which I suppose is an extended family), while Cadash seems to imply their clan is rather large and spread out.
 
Although it might make sense why Cadash doesn't mention them if my headcanon is right and "the Dasher" is not just their boss, but the nickname for a member of their family so ruthless and cut-throat he makes Bartrand and Branka look downright cuddly in comparison. If you had a relative who responded to finding out you survived the explosion that vapourised a mountain and your lyrium shipment, by placing a hit on you, I doubt you'd talk much about them either!

That's a blessing and a curse! On the one hand, I felt so attached to my Brosca(s) because I got to know their family, their friends, their starter enemies, ran into people they admired and people they rrreeeaaally didn't. The Carta angle was done so masterfully in that Origin, I think that's why Cadash falls short (ha, ha) for me in some places. There's just such a high bar.

And yet, the clannishness is cool. And you're able to headcanon things like, say... being a widow/er, having kids, whether you were a thug or a mafia prince/ss, what your upbringing was like... it's all very fun.

(This is completely unrelated, but does anyone have any sources or just plain headcanons for what traditional dwarven weddings are like? DC origin implies that casteless can't get married because they're not-people, but can you just imagine what Rica and Bhelen's wedding was like? What kind of "My Big Fat Greek Dwarf Wedding" shenanigans would Cadash's LI have to put up with? )

[TobiTobsen]

(This is completely unrelated, but does anyone have any sources or just plain headcanons for what traditional dwarven weddings are like? DC origin implies that casteless can't get married because they're not-people, but can you just imagine what Rica and Bhelen's wedding was like? What kind of "My Big Fat Greek Dwarf Wedding" shenanigans would Cadash's LI have to put up with? )

" A dwarven wedding without at least three 'accidents' and two challenges for the next Proving is considered a dull affair."

[Bhryaen]

So many topics worth a chat and a chaw. The convo moves so fast here!

 

Dwarven environments:

Maybe it's just because I seem to prefer desolate scenery (my favorite locations have been Descent, the Fade, and Hissing Wastes), but dwarf art was already the most fun in DAO- that sort of Aztecky style in the architecture with gems everywhere. A Latino coworker once chided me about Americans for thinking of mangoes as an "exotic" fruit, saying in his country they were everywhere, unlike the "exotic" apple. Same with gems in Orzammar, it seemed. But the graphics artists in DAI took the area designs and features to a whole new level. They're so damn talented, I sooooo want them to recreate Orzammar now. I think they'd do such wonders with it... One thing I've noticed though is that in DAO they had female dwarf statues as well as the iconic bearded male dwarf holding a maul over his head, whereas in DAI we only seem to encounter the latter. I had a better shot of her with a FemDwarf statue, but here's my DAOKruklya with both male and female sculptures:

 

 

Sigh. I love Alix's performance (especially when she's grrr angry), but I feel like I'll never be able to come up with a satisfactory reason for a Carta thug to sound that damn posh. Back to the drawing board, kids!

I like the (was going to say FemDwarf accent haha) FemBrit voice for my Duster because it doesn't seem too posh to me, just very textured and expressive- as I want my DAI Kruklya to be. The MaleBrit voice, on the other hand- yes, posh, and not so carta-dwarf-friendly. The MaleAmer one though fits exceptionally well. I miss the (albeit scant) BG1 cockney accent- would fit Dusters well, I think. I suppose I could imagine a background reason for adopting the "human" (British) accent, but lore doesn't seem as consistent in DAI- elves no longer exclusively Irish, dwarves no longer always American, and I just don't want to have to wed my character to humans just because of the accent. Like different skin colors, DA hasn't based voices in lore in a decisive-enough way for me to feel compelled that way. I mean, where do black dwarves come from? hehe I'm content at this point saying, "Whatever- it's cool-looking."

 

 

...aaaaand now I made myself sad...

I do that...

 

Dwarf-related content:

I'd be more miffed if I thought it was only dwarves being shafted that way. I think it's a gamewide design matter, since they seem to have invested the vast bulk of the interactive content on the impact of your choices with companions and main story quests rather than your origin, and it shows far moreso in non-main quests where content is conspicuously absent. That they contented themselves with only a line or two for dwarfquisitors (and Varric) in Descent is par for the course. My elf has had one single elf-specific line (in JoH) in 100s of hours of gameplay, for instance, and was after having gotten all the discussion perks first. I hope that development emphasis shifts in DA4 because it's the unique playthrough content that makes the game feel less generic and more about your character and their place in the lore and societies of Thedas.

 

Y'know, I feel rather slow to have noticed this only on my umpteenth playthrough, but it suddenly dawned on me there's a huge dwarven structure and/or entrance to the Deep Roads on the island where you fight Vinsomer.

 

Really makes me wish that we could have explored the dwarven ruins on the Storm Coast far more than we were able to. Could have made Descent even more fun to have our makeshift lift located in a ruin that was (mostly) intact when we previously explored it, only to be utterly trashed once we began the DLC and remain in that state if we returned to it after completion.

For a people with a vast network of underground tunnels and severe social consequences for going anywhere near the surface, dwarfies do seem to get around on the surface quite a lot. When I first saw the huge dwarf statue in (I always want to say Sword Coast) Storm Coast, I thought it might be that one city I kinda recall mentioned in DAO which survived the blights by going to the surface but eventually became more of a human sea village. Can't recall the name.

 

In retrospect, wouldn't it have been cool if both the Descent (and possibly all of Inquisition) had made it so dark areas and the Deep Roads were a little more illuminated for Elves and Dwarves, since they are supposed to have superior night vision?

Yeah, this was always one of the advantages for dwarves/elves/half-elves/half-orcs in NWN- infravision. I vaguely recall them mentioning dwarves had it in some codex in DAO, but they obviously didn't implement it, and I don't think I've seen such mention in DAI lore- like they sort of brushed that one under the carpet. But I could definitely go for that! And it would be the most useful in DAI where there are so many areas of total or near-total darkness. Yet another origin-specific experience that they could craft, though graphics-wise I have no idea how they'd pull it off logistically. Maybe a blueish gloom light that "turns on" as you pass a trigger point? But then huge nighttime/ dark areas like the Hissing Wastes or Deep Roads would be a challenge to integrate- or whether torchlight disrupts it. Still, that would be a great race advantage for dwarves- and very fitting.

 

I saw a comment in another thread where someone didn't like the idea of playing dwarves because "they always play the victim."

Um... Orzammar? If any race is constantly the victim, it's elves- harassed in the woods, subjected to Exalted Marches, enslaved, shoved into alienages. Dwarves are more like equals to humans- the underground civillization that has never been wiped out even despite losing the Deep Roads to darkspawn. If victims of anything its their own- the caste system, house rivalries, etc. Once I mused to a Chinese person that China seems fairly polite internationally, not invading everywhere, and she grinned and said, "Yeah, they're polite to outsiders. They reserve all their wars with their own." Not sure how historically accurate that is, but it definitely applies in the DA dwarves' case. But it's not something dwarves whine about. There's no dwarven Sera who can balk at dwarves for feeling sorry for themselves. Oh, well, I didn't read the context of the comment...

 

 

Dorian says that attitudes about dwarves are much different where he's from and I'd dearly love to play a dwarf from that area.

He does??!! Is this only with a dwarfquisitor? I don't recall it with my current elf. I'll have to watch for that next time...

[Wintersonne123]

Fight? It would be the most epic bromance ever!

They would probably squabble who came up with the tattoo and beard combo first, if "completly bald" or "stubble" are a better fit and who got his nose broken more often, before drinking obscene amounts of dwarven ale, surfing down lyrium veins on their shields and trying to decapitate Darkspawn on the go!

 

Haha, yes, it would be awesome. I mean, my Dwarfquisitor is a bit of a stoic, but he secretly smiles at Varric's jokes, too (behind his magnificient beard), so after some token protesting he'd be shieldsurfing with the best of them.

 

Personally, I'd always thought my Cadashs were just low-level thugs in their respective family, some unimportant second cousin's bastard child growing up in some city's equivalent of Darktown, eventually picked up for their unmistakeable talent of hitting things. It was okay for me that they failed a lot in Descent even on Dwarven knowledge. However, "You talk about the Stone like it's not just a thing" was a bit too much. I understand exposition, but the Stone's basically the reason that Orzammar says surfacers aren't real dwarves, I'm pretty sure they'd know about that.

 

Also, dwarves are always complaining? Dwarves? That's a funny way to spell "elves".

[Gilsa]

He does??!! Is this only with a dwarfquisitor? I don't recall it with my current elf. I'll have to watch for that next time...

 

I have to head out the door so I'll catch up on the lengthier convos here, but I can respond to this really quick. Yes, it's dwarf-exclusive. When you recruit him and go through introductory chats, his background, yadda yadda -- finish all that up. The NEXT time you click on him, he has a stand-alone conversation with Cadash, very brief. Here's the transcript:

 

Dorian: “A little bird told me you were part of the Carta, Inquisitor.”
Cadash: “A little bird?”
Dorian: “Well, a big bird. A big, indiscreet bird. Who was drunk at the time.”
Cadash: “What you heard was true. I was once part of the Carta.”
Dorian: “Not any longer? Too bad. They’re an excellent source of cheap contraband.”
Dorian: “Back home, you see dwarves everywhere … and not just from Ambassadoria.”
Dorian: “Rather odd how, in the South, everyone thinks of dwarves as merchants. Limited view, in my opinion.”
Dorian: “Maybe you’ll change that? In the future, one will hear ‘dwarf’ and think 'messiah.’ Down with stereotypes!”

 

"Down with stereotypes!"

 

 

That reminds me -- I know some of us have played a qunari. Does he have anything specific for a qunari?