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[Amne YA]

gotta  love the dwarf cumonner origin 
from dust town to kick  dwarf warrior catsle in their arena 

+  find this song lol  diggy diggy

[TobiTobsen]

Bombastic orchestral music combined with a text that goes "diggy, diggy hole!"?

 

[vertigomez]

So, I can't remember if I read it on the wiki or in WoT or what, but apparently dwarves from Kal'Sharok have a slightly different speech pattern than those from Orzammar (and presumably the surface). Their seclusion means they've retained more of the ancient dwarven language. Anyway, DA dwarves were originally supposed to have German accents but the devs scrapped the idea because it was such a pain in the butt to implement... ten bucks says that if we meet any Kal'Sharok dorfs in DA4, they sound German!

[JillHawke]

I'm glad to see this thread is still going strong

 

Btw this is Ladylionhart,JillHawke was my first created BW account.So I'm using this one.

[Tishina]

I'm glad to see this thread is still going strong

 

Btw this is Ladylionhart,JillHawke was my first created BW account.So I'm using this one.

Yeah!! I take it you got the messages, lol? Yes, we're still going strong, more than a year later.

[Bhryaen]

gotta  love the dwarf cumonner origin 
from dust town to kick  dwarf warrior catsle in their arena 

+  find this song lol  diggy diggy

 

 

Yeah, that sequence is priceless. "Yeah, I's a casteless! You got a problem wit dat!?"... Can't top the DC origin... except with another one! That song was so great! Watched it three times! Here's another vid of the same song, presumably showing the actual cast singing it (reading lines off of cellphones haha). I can hardly discern the girl singers. The cartoon was so well-structured in telling a story though.

 

Anyone else know good dwarfy music? I just did a search on YouTube, found a lot of orchestral stuff, maybe used in games- like this one. Or LotR dwarf theme music.

 

Then I found this one sung in dwarven (with translation):

 

EDIT:

Duh- DAO music: Orzammar music... brings back so many lyrium-inscribed memories...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j6nfiZd1FQ

 

This one from the Deep Roads section as well. I do really like DAI's music- theme and tavern songs- but there's nothing like the Orzammar compositions, especially the use of the... is it a bassoon? Oboe? Love it. "Daaaaaa-da-da-da... da... DAAAAA-da-da-da..."

[JillHawke]

Yep,I got the DeviantArt message today from Bhryaen I'm glad this thread is thriving.

[Bhryaen]

@JillHawke

So what did you think of the proposal of The Dwarven Assembly? There was more of a discussion a few pages back. I was arguing for a lot more than a title change, like adding links, photos, etc. to the OP, but it's just great we managed to find you. You must have a lot of catching up to do...

[vertigomez]

Welcome back, OP!

Did someone say dwarf music..?

Spoiler

[Gilsa]

I've been using spoilers selectively- mostly only regarding the main plot or lore... Like I know Flemeth shows up soon, but I don't know how it goes yet. And I know that the Inky loses- ya know- in Trespasser, but not exactly how. But the experience with Dorian as a dwarf- or any other dwarf-exclusive encounters, like in Descent- I want to be new. Don't worry, I know how to not read as well. haha
 
I was only an overwhelmingly elf and halfling player until DAO, though looking at my past DAO characters, of the 5.5 that went the whole way I had 3 elves and "only" 2.5 dwarves (and a bunch of others that didn't get past Lothering). Only my dwarf Kruklya did the DLCs though, and I spent the vast amount of my DAO time on her. It was hard to play through another Brosca when she was so dear to me. No idea how you managed 12 dwarves!

 
Oh, easy. It went like this:
 
1) Play Aeducan first because I heard good things about the noble origin. Try out the Alistair romance out of curiosity, not seeing why a dwarf would fall for a human. Alistair turns out to be super funny and winning. Alistair gets mad at Landsmeet and leaves. Been overwriting to the same save file the entire time. F***.
 
2) Play the dwarf commoner this time. Redo the Alistair romance properly. End game happily. OK, that was cute, but liked Alistair better with Aeducan though.
 
3) Replay Aeducan, but decide to keep original game decisions intact because that'd be cheating my character otherwise. Lose Alistair again, but feel good about staying true to character.
 
(Play other races in meantime. Get bored eventually.)
 
4) Replay Brosca, but pine after Oghren instead. Remain single in the end.
 
5) Oh, look, Awakening is out now! What? King Alistair kisses his sweetheart. *jealous of people's screenshots* How about an AU Aeducan? Play all the way through to Awakening. Cute. Not as satisfying as my canon Aeducan. Also realize that I don't like sharing my romances between characters so if canon Aeducan can't have him, NO ONE CAN HAVE HIM. (What? Perfectly reasonable.)
 
6) Mods come out. Replay Aeducan with PERRRRRFECT hair and PERRRRRFECT armors for the party. Take lots of selfies.
 
7) Huh. I wonder what happens if Brosca sides with Harrowmont. Does Rica get mad? Let's find out. Oh, yeah, and check out Zevran, too.
 
8) Huh. I wonder what happens if the OGB is half-dwarf. Better see where it leads. Roll male Brosca for Morrigan.
 
9) I did not know that Oghren had comments at that location. Always got him late in the game. Let's get him ASAP and take him EVERYWHERE. Oghren! Oghren! Oghren!
 
10) Huh. Well, I've romanced everyone except for Leliana. I really should check her out, just to be fair. I've never friendzoned Gorim before so that'll be ... tough.
 
11) Kills off an elf for the "dead warden" achievement. Rolls Kader for Awakening, the first surface dwarf.
 
12) Oh, god, this is the LAST playthrough for my canon with all the DLCs installed so everything's accounted for when importing into DA2. I'm just doooooone. DONE DONE DOOOOOONE.

[Bhryaen]

@gilsa

lol Damn, so all those playthroughs just for Alipally. He better have appreciated it! I never got into the romances, but I did have the same tendencies. I just had my Kruklya play both Harrowmont and Bhelen and went with the save that looked right for her. No compunctions about metagaming whatsoever haha. That's how I had so much more time with her than other characters I didn't care as much about.

 

Actually I ended up replaying exactly what you did- the Alistair departure- but it was because of some odd game glitch. I executed Loghain in that first run (don't mess wit' Kruklya if ya knows what's good for ya), but the game then removed Alistair from my party after Landsmeet and when I got to Redcliffe Loghain "appeared" to voice lines during cutscenes but was an empty space on-screen for them. No one seemed to have heard of that glitch, but it meant I was left with no Alistair or Loghain, even if Morrigan said to get one of them. I'd gone too far at that point, so I went ahead, thinking there might be some other option, but, no, a girl dwarf wasn't gonna get Morrigan pregnant. "Um, Riordan. Could we just quickly recruit a Warden from one of the hall guards? Just wondering. And make it a guy..." She ended up dying at Archy, but I wasn't going to just accept "Ultimate Sacrifice" by game glitch, so later I replayed it from before Landsmeet, recruiting Loghain and watching Alistair storm out with a huff. She still didn't let Morrigan get knocked up though. So technically that was another .5 dwarf playthroughs to make it 3-3.

[vertigomez]

Those of you who had a son with Mardy, which name did you pick?

I always thought it was hilarious that you could wind up with two baby Endrins.

[vertigomez]

P.S., have some delicious casteless info all nicely compiled.

[Bhryaen]

Those of you who had a son with Mardy, which name did you pick?

I always thought it was hilarious that you could wind up with two baby Endrins.

Cruel bastid, making me recognize that I don't even recall the name of his child with Mardy. And I was there at the conception too... of the name, I mean! Conception of the name. Poor Would-Be-King "Warden" Jagan Aeducan... I'm such a bad god-father.

 

 

P.S., have some delicious casteless info all nicely compiled.

 

That link is great. I beat him to it yrs ago though- mentioned a number of times on the old forum that the casteless were clearly the worst off (whenever it came up). And he never even played a dwarf! Oh, well, he didn't see my posts. People did try to argue that the mages and elves had it worse. Tsk tsk... Second-class citizenship isn't quite as bad as being considered a non-person and treated as an outright pariah legally, economically, and socially... Dwarves do gots ta up their game in that way.

 

This line was interesting:

 

Casteless criminal organisations such as the Carta are seen as threats to Orzammar for providing the casteless with alternatives to joining the Legion and dying with honour.

 

For all the praise Bhelen gets for directly sticking casteless on the frontlines against the darkspawn, the traditionalist approach merely attempted to do the same indirectly. Still- incremental change is change!... and incremental...

[Bhryaen]

Btw- I heard or read somewhere that the casteless would be considered outsiders by the Titan as well, lacking Stone Sense. Not sure if that's the narrative, but how would that work? I mean, a casteless for becoming a surfacer, sure- sky-addled exiles from the Stone- but a casteless that lived their entire life in the alleys of Dust Town somehow lost their Stone Sense? It takes acceptance by caste society to have Stone Sense? So Rica had no Stone Sense until Bhelen married her and then suddenly she had it- as well as Kalah? And Zerlinda lost her Stone Sense when she married a casteless- or when her father kicked her out- but by persuading the father, now she gets it back again? Makes Stone Sense seem less like a magic dwarven connection to the Stone and almost no better than a fashion statement. I mean, what does a servant caste dwarf have Stone-wise that the pariah doesn't? Or a merchant caste member? Hell, the casteless often end up sleeping on the Stone, living off it. The mining caste is the only one arguably more in touch with the Stone, even if they live by crushing it.

 

I think it would be much more powerful a narrative if suddenly the Titan were talking to Dusters as well, having even the ruling caste sharing a collective consciousness with the presumed not-people. Now that would shake up Orzammar...

[TEWR]

Those of you who had a son with Mardy, which name did you pick?

I always thought it was hilarious that you could wind up with two baby Endrins.

 

I went with Trian, but in my headcanon the child is named Trian Duncan Aeducan.

[Remki]

 

 

I agree with all you've said about Ashe's vid. I'm still floored by the fairly convincing tying together of a number of the DA story elements that way- particularly the Sandal quote which I don't recall from my DA2 playthrough- but my biggest reservation has been exactly what you're referring to: why would the Titan's "hive-mind" be mind-control or groupthink? Sandal doesn't seem upset about it. The picture that Dagna paints is more of a creature that is simply aware of all the thoughts of the dwarves rather than controlling them- or that becomes the "Focus" of a collective consciousness rather than the cultivator of a single consciousness. That could have its own dilemmas- like getting awkward when going to the bathroom or doing the ya know with each other, and espionage would be a lot less convenient- but it doesn't necessarily sound oppressive. After all, there is already a race that practices mind-control and drone-creation without the use of telepathy: the qunari. We don't need dwarves having it even worse just because the Titan wakes up fully.

 

But I can certainly see that being one of the motivations of Flemmy and the elves, even a well-meaning notion of "saving" the dwarves from their collective consciousness despite them not asking for any such thing, wanting them to be "free" to not know the minds of each other any more... or the minds of non-dwarves, which would explain elven hostility better. I sooo want to weigh into the great discussion on that thread, but I haven't finished Trespasser either, much less the main story (I'm presently at just after Morrigan shows me the eluvian), so I'd be arguing with an arm behind my back. I've been spending way more time on the BW forum these days than in-game.   One day I'm just going to disappear to delve into it. How far am I from the conclusion? It can't be far if I'm essentially routing Cory's forces at the elven ruins.

 

Can you imagine a scene like at the end of the Fade where some HUGENORMOUS creature is walking about? They managed to more or less well pull it off already with their current game engine with a hideous-looking Fade monster. Animating a Titan in a better engine or with a better handle on the current one could be just plain awesome. Come to think of it, that titanic Fade creature might be a corrupted Titan... nawwwww. See? It's easy to speculate. haha Actually it would be hard to make the Titan from Descent move without massive destruction of the city of dwarves inside it and the surrounding surface area.

 

Btw- love your new forum avatar. 

 

See, that's the thing I was thinking too. Why in the world would a collective consciousness necessarily mean that dwarves would "lose themselves" to the mind of the Titan? Idk if Sandal is the best example, considering some people wouldn't want to be like him. But then again some people wouldn't want to be tranquil, and others volunteer for it so that's a matter of perspective. Still, while a lot of the Titan/Stone stuff sounds ominous and the Elves apparently killed the Titan to "free" someone (assumed dwarfs), Dagna made it sound more passive rather than an aggressive presence (if that's what she's referring to). I'm kinda working with a hand behind my back too because I haven't played the Decent DLC yet either, but doesn't Valta otherwise keep her mind? Like from what I've seen without spoiling it, she's pretty lucid. Plus I don't really trust the Elves, especially the Evanuris, to really keep any unbiased record of reasoning. Mythal might have meant well, maybe, but I can easily see the Evanuris seizing the opportunity to "free" people if it suddenly gave them unfettered access to something as powerful as lyrium.

 

I mean I'm not on one side or the other about this yet, but considering how... incomplete the dwarves feel (what with lacking magic and access to the fade), I would be happy to see the return of the Titan being a herald of a new age for dwarves, rather than just the beginning of their destruction. Plus seeing some huge Titan just tromping around the fade (or maybe even Thedas!) would be AWESOME

 

Thanks! After sharing those pics of her before, I felt like she should obviously be my forum avatar

 

BTW your new Inquisitor is looking good!

 

Btw- I heard or read somewhere that the casteless would be considered outsiders by the Titan as well, lacking Stone Sense. 

 

I think that's pretty much disproven by Dagna though, if the line she mentions about feeling tall is referring to any kind of connection with the Titan. She's not only castless but has spent enough time on the surface to be a surfacer, but she doesn't seem to have any problem. Plus what about all those surface dwarve stonemasons? They seem to still have some kind of stone sense, which they talk about in DA:O Awakenings and to a small extent in Inquisition when they're rebuilding the castle walls in both games. Now people born on the surface, like Varric? I can see them having a harder time connecting. 

 

Hmm maybe that's why red lyrium has less of an affect on him, actually. Wild speculation, but Bartrand was born and mostly raised underground, so he probably still had some remnant of stone sense. But Varric was all surface and says more than once that he "doesn't get it". Maybe the combo of being cut off from the fade AND from his stone sense made him less susceptible to the Song. Anyone with stone sense or the ability to dream was affected, but maybe sun-born dwarfs wouldn't be as likely to succumb too fast. Hmm... *continues to mutter to self for the next hour*

[Remki]

Anyone else know good dwarfy music?

 

Not exactly explicitly dwarf music, but I love this 8tracks mix someone made for Orzammar, you might like some of the songs.

[Amne YA]

i played inquisition first  than i felt  the need to play origine and dragonage 2 .  
and one thing . dwarf feel so good in origin . nothing like  in inquisition  .  i'm i  the only  one ,? 

[TobiTobsen]

i played inquisition first  than i felt  the need to play origine and dragonage 2 .  
and one thing . dwarf feel so good in origin . nothing like  in inquisition  .  i'm i  the only  one ,? 

 

Dwarves and Qunari are severly impaired in Inquisition because the game was planned as "Human only" for a long time. Elves fit in rather easily, since there is so much elven content anyway, but for the other two races it's no comparison to DAO at all.

[vertigomez]

About the casteless and the Stone-

Dwarves chisel away at the Stone, removing imperfections and gangue so that She is Her more perfect Self (). And we know that "worthy" dwarves strengthen the Stone when they're interred in it, while casteless and other dishonorable sorts supposedly weaken it. As far as I know, casteless have as much Stone-sense as any other dwarf, assuming they haven't lived on the surface their entire life à la Varric. I figure casteless are as likely to succumb to some Titan hivemind as any other underground dwelling dwarf. It's just centuries-old prejudice which casts their dwarfiness into doubt.

Trying to explain this to the nobles would be funny af tho.

[DalishRanger]

Also realize that I don't like sharing my romances between characters so if canon Aeducan can't have him, NO ONE CAN HAVE HIM. (What? Perfectly reasonable.)
 

 

Ha! I'm the same way; I don't really like romancing the same character with different PCs. It just feels wrong.

 

 
9) I did not know that Oghren had comments at that location. Always got him late in the game. Let's get him ASAP and take him EVERYWHERE. Oghren! Oghren! Oghren!
 

 

After my first playthrough in Origins, I always got Oghren first (at least with my canon Amell) because I didn't like getting a companion that late. Worth it.

[Tishina]

Ha! I'm the same way; I don't really like romancing the same character with different PCs. It just feels wrong.

And I'm just the opposite; I like seeing how the same romance plays out with different personalities and choices for the PC.

[Leo]

Those of you who had a son with Mardy, which name did you pick?

I always thought it was hilarious that you could wind up with two baby Endrins.

 

My Dwarf had Mard pick out a name, since she had and raised the baby, so I guess there's two baby Endrins out there. Although one is a Prince and the other is most likely a Casteless.

[Bhryaen]

Dwarves and Qunari are severly impaired in Inquisition because the game was planned as "Human only" for a long time. Elves fit in rather easily, since there is so much elven content anyway, but for the other two races it's no comparison to DAO at all.

It was??? But they even added qunari. I wonder how/when they changed their minds- how far into development. It would explain the skimpiness of origin-specific content. I'd hope that if they just commit to multiple origins at the outset they can design DA4 with a lot more origin-specific content to enrich the origin choices. And bring back the writer(s) for the dwarf origins. Twas good stuffs! The reticence of the DA devs to restore their truly hallmark game element- origins- just boggles my mind. I mean, I know it's a lot of work, but DA is often a lot of work regardless. I'd rather get less sweeping Thedas lore if it means I get to really experience the races of Thedas as one of them. Obviously I'm mostly interested in the dwarven origin, but I play them all (including humans until bored with their generic nature). If the story the devs want to tell with DA isn't origin-specific, it sure makes DAO (the first DA) a curious part of the mix.

 

Oops, started ranting... Maybe I'll make a thread about it...

 

i played inquisition first  than i felt  the need to play origine and dragonage 2 .  
and one thing . dwarf feel so good in origin . nothing like  in inquisition  .  i'm i  the only  one ,? 

You're not the only one, bro. It's like they don't even recognize they had a great thing going.