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Bhryaen

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I have (just remembered I downloaded it some time ago).

 

I don't consider it canon -- since it was made with a game review site just to really demonstrate the modding capabilities -- because it makes Bhelen seem like his ass is kissed even more. How the hell did he find the Shield of Aeducan, when legend had it resting in the tomb of the Paragon himself? In the Deep Roads? How would he know it was Paragon Aeducan's and not just a shield with an Aeducan heraldry on it? 

 

How does no one notice that the frigging prince is missing from the palace and no where in the city even as time rolls on?

 

Bah, talking about Bhelen makes my blood boil. His entire arc only makes sense if we assume that everyone in Orzammar has the IQ of soap. And short-sighted idiots the nobles may be, they're stupid when it comes to outside threats.... not internal. For Bhelen's path to really be accepted, it actually necessitates that he be extremely lucky and everyone else be extremely stupid.

It's still kinda cool that they made Orzammar the site for their sampler of DAO. They had taste back then- haha.

 

The way I tend to view Orzammar's (mostly the nobles and caste leaders) acquiescence to a Bhelen doesn't revolve around intelligence. They just seem cowed. They're constantly having to concern themselves with being assassinated or ousted or backstabbed, so they're also always trying to keep positioning themselves behind the prevailing strongarm so as not to be under it. We saw what happened to the Harrowmonts. No one raised a cry that that was just unheard of in Orzammar or against tradition. They just lined up to ask favors of the new monarch. They're clearly not a particularly rebellious bunch, Lord Denek nothwithstanding (or rather indicative). As much as the Orlesians may go on about "The Game," Orzammar has its own to contend with. Except that Val Royeaux isn't surrounded by darkspawn as the last substantial bastion of human civilization on the planet.

 

Not that living like sheep and brutes is an indicator of genius IQ, however, but still...



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I dunno. Frankly I wish the DA wiki would go the route of the KH wiki and have an entire sub-page devoted to each character's quotes. For instance, if you go onto Xemnas' page, it gives you his basic entry, but there's a link you can click on that goes to Xemnas/Quotes and it's every single line he says in the games.

 

This would be immensely helpful to people with DA...

 

Anyway, point is emulating the KH wiki would improve the DA wiki if you ask me.

The lines that were deleted at some point were these:

 

* ''(To the male Dwarf Commoner)'' "You're just jealous. No woman'll be fool enough to fall for you. All you can give her are casteless brats that no one wants."

* ''(To the female Dwarf Commoner)'' "You're lucky Rica stuck up for you, 'cause I'd have put you out there with her. You were born with one coin to barter, and it's between your legs."

 

Can't see any reason whatsoever for removing those from Kalah's article. I mean, OK, like you said, if Kalah were someone like Loghain that generated controversy, I might suspect someone feeling factional (and who is immature enough) might start snipping, but... Mom Brosca? I also thought at first maybe they'd just hidden them because they thought they were spoilers, but, no- just gone. Maybe it was just incompetence. After all, if I could get in to start meddling, anyone could.

 

I don't know what KH is, but having one big directory of quotes linked to each article sounds excellent. Gilsa would be the main contributor. :)

 

Going through the edits I made, I notice I also affected the wording of "A Paragon of Her Kind" regarding how you pick up the quest, but I think it might have been changed back. Is it true that the only way you pick up the quest is when you get through the initial Lothering bandits and talk to Alistair about where to go? I thought you could skip asking about Orzammar, not pick it up in your quest list, but then pick up the quest later just by going to Orzammar itself.



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Tell meeeeeeeee! Gimme the gist and where you remember it being said (Landsmeet, Redcliffe, etc). I can do a quick search in the toolset. (I know it has nothing to do with the original point, but I love it when people whip out authentic quotes instead of hyperbole to bolster their arguments.)

 

"You don't believe Loghain?"

"What, that Cailan was a fool for glory? That the Grey Wardens betrayed the king? No, I don't believe it. It is the act of a desperate man."

 

It's upon meeting him in Redcliffe. That's not a precise quote, but the gist of it is that Loghain gave a lot of details -- details that were true from his perspective, though objectively not the case -- to the nobility about Ostagar.



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Hope this is what you were thinking of:

 

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#7230
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Just cuz... that iconic crooked grin...

 

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And more Orzammar nostalgia...

 

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I believe a few pages ago I had asked if any one had every re-did their cannon dwarf dtory... Well I did! Please warmly welcome to the dwarf family Lady Inquisitor Shaelan Cadash!

 

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Plus a flower crown I just found in the game! So cute!!  :wub:

 

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Fantastic screenshots!



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Almost done with Orion Cadash. We've had a good run. Archer artificer FTW!

 

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Just following up on the "Cadash Stompers" from a few pages ago. I downloaded DA Tools so I could extract some textures and after browsing through the files, I noticed one of the default shoes had the same appearance as Cadash Stompers and it's part of an armor set. If you look at the sleeve, you can see the same "flower" icon. So it looks like they recycled an old pair of boots and slapped on some flavor text for the Stone Prisoner DLC. (The crest of House Cadash still lingers, pressed deep into the hardened leather of these well-worn boots.)

 

Mystery solved. Moving on now. =p

 

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Hope this is what you were thinking of:

 

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That's it alright.

 

The lines that were deleted at some point were these:

 

 

 

I don't know what KH is, but having one big directory of quotes linked to each article sounds excellent. Gilsa would be the main contributor. :)

 

Going through the edits I made, I notice I also affected the wording of "A Paragon of Her Kind" regarding how you pick up the quest, but I think it might have been changed back. Is it true that the only way you pick up the quest is when you get through the initial Lothering bandits and talk to Alistair about where to go? I thought you could skip asking about Orzammar, not pick it up in your quest list, but then pick up the quest later just by going to Orzammar itself.

 

KH = Kingdom Hearts. I tend to shorthand a lot of things, like how PT = Primeval Thaig or M/T War is the Mage-Templar War.

 

A Paragon of Her Kind is actually picked up just after Flemeth saves your butts. 



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Got nostalgic for my Warden Aeducan, so here's some screenshots of Ashtoka for you. If she looks familiar, it's because I based Nakida on her a little. I headcanon that they're distant cousins on Ashtoka's mom's side, though most the Aeducan's would never admit to having surfacer family :P

 

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Oh my god, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this problem. :lol: I feel like Varric, "Look, I have to complain or you’ll forget I'm here and trip over me."

She's gorgeous, by the way.
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Sorry for the double post, but something just occurred to me. Do we know much about dwarven fashion? I was flipping through WoT and they have examples of clothing among the nobility in Orlais, Ferelden, and Tevinter...

I figure there's a lot of emphasis on ceremonial armor, at least as far as the noble and warrior castes go. But otherwise, most all the clothing in DAO was slapped on every race, regardless of what culture they hail from. But there are a few that I think of as particularly dwarven, even if it's not true-- one of the dresses that Rica wore (also the CE's wedding gown) has blocky little designs on it that just scream dwarfiness to my eyes.

So, yeah. What do you think moneyed dwarves wear when they're just chillin'? I can't decide if Varric is the best example or the worst. :lol:
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The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is the description of nobility in Orzammar that says they often incorporate chainmail into their formalwear in case things turn stabby in the middle of the party. So, yes, I think ceremonial armor is probably big :D .

 

I imagine fabrics from the surface are probably expensive and highly valued. (I wonder what fibres dwarves use traditionally? I mean, leather is all over the place, but what do they weave their cloth out of? Most of the creatures in the Deep Roads don't seem very wooly ...)


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Oh my god, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this problem. :lol: I feel like Varric, "Look, I have to complain or you’ll forget I'm here and trip over me."

She's gorgeous, by the way.

 

It's just as much a problem in Inquisition too lol but a little more noticeable in the tight quarters in DAO.

 

Thank you! 

 

The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is the description of nobility in Orzammar that says they often incorporate chainmail into their formalwear in case things turn stabby in the middle of the party. So, yes, I think ceremonial armor is probably big  :D .

 

I imagine fabrics from the surface are probably expensive and highly valued. (I wonder what fibres dwarves use traditionally? I mean, leather is all over the place, but what do they weave their cloth out of? Most of the creatures in the Deep Roads don't seem very wooly ...)

 

Nugskin is supposedly super soft, and there's plenty of them around. I imagine extremely soft, supple nugskin robes are a good match for any wool ones, and probably a good match for the temperature variances underground. I could see that being traditional dwarven textile. Also I imagine silk wouldn't be hard to find-- there are all manner of creepy crawlies underground, no doubt some that spin cocoons. Heck, considering the size of the spiders, I bet spider silk is fairly common. Maybe there are spider herders or silk harvesters. I bet they'd have some stories! XD


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Dwarven fashion is basically geometric. Think of triangles, patterns, rectangles and so on. Varric seems to be the exception to the rule with the flowing lines on his tunic, but Varric is pretty much a short human for all intents and purposes. (Wasn't born in Orzammar like his brother, rejects Orzammar's traditions, doesn't really know too much about dwarven history, believes in Andraste instead of the Stone, etc.)

 

That dress Rica wears is absolutely dwarf fashion. I don't know why the city elf wears it for the wedding. I have no idea how a city elf would get her hands on that in the first place. I just chalked it up to a handwave because maybe they needed the city elf to be visually different from the human nobles in the background for story purposes. In fact, the only way I could get Aeducan to get her hands on the dwarf noble outfit (without cheats or mods) was to sell Dace's bribe for 50 gold and then buy it from the silk vendor in Diamond Quarter. Of course, you'd lose it after being exiled so it was mostly good for screenshots.

 

I will toss up some screenshots later of the dwarf styles in DAO. (I had to do some research when I was doing texture mods to get a feel for dwarven craftsmanship so it's no problem to put together some visual samples.) Basically all the races share the same armor templates, the only difference is the actual design on those armors. Humans would be flowy, curvy, Orlesian-like. The mabari is considered to be the symbol for them. Elves are obvious -- trees, Mythal, leaves, flowers. Dwarves focus on runes and strong patterns like shapes you'd carve into a rock with a hammer and chisel.


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#7242
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OK, here's all the dwarf designs I've extracted from both DAO and DAI. I know it's a lot of stuff, but I figured someone might want these references for artwork or stories and so on. The DAO toolset provided descriptions and a whole lot of interesting background. The DAI toolset is fan-made and resources are limited in comparison.

DRAGON AGE ORIGINS

Massive Armor:
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Heavy Armor
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Medium Armor
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Light Armor
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Clothing (Commoner and Noble)
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DRAGON AGE INQUISITION

These textures are meant to wrap around a mesh so hopefully you'll be able to recognize outfits and where they're originally found. Some armor names have "Orzammar" in the file name and others have "surface" so I've grouped accordingly.

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PROPS

Dwarf card
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Bookcase
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Bed
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Throne
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Almost done with Orion Cadash. We've had a good run. Archer artificer FTW!

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I love my archer artificer dwarf. It took some time, but I found my love back for archery.

I hope artificer shows up in the next game.
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HOLY SHITBALLS, Gilsa, that's incredible! I'll come back with a proper reply here in a few minutes... gotta soak all dat dwarven fabulousness up. *luxuriates*
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Ironically I've been working on an Orzammar patterns project all day- off and on while getting to Mythal, etc...

 

I know the Cadash Stompers symbol is apparently just a reused asset with no thought whatsoever to providing a proper Cadash clan heraldry image *sigh*... but I refuse to accept a 4-leaf clover as the official representation of the clan of any dwarf I make in DA4... So I went a'hunting through dwarfy patterns, trying to find something to make the "Cadash" symbol remind me of something other than a flower. Hopefully this little journey will help make my fellow Cadash's also associate the symbol with something more dorfish than a surface plant...

 

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Ha! TOP NOTCH research! *fist bump* I definitely see your point and I had not looked at it that way before. Nice work!



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Ha! TOP NOTCH research! *fist bump* I definitely see your point and I had not looked at it that way before. Nice work!

*fist bump back* :) But I was just goofing around, pretending at serious research. If I'd have had to go past my own few screenies already taken, google image, and a quick run into DAI, I wouldn't have managed it. Fun though! haha

 

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Forgot to throw a quip in about this. I mean, there actually is a dwarven throne sitting right there in DAO- asset already designed and everything- but they don't have a dwarf throne option in DAI? And they do have a "mage throne" or "Chantry throne," thrones that don't even exist otherwise? I mean, they've got dwarven most everything else. Maybe there's no answer for that (devs would have to answer), but seeing that there's this DAI content for one, what happened? Does it assemble to anything?



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Forgot to throw a quip in about this. I mean, there actually is a dwarven throne sitting right there in DAO- asset already designed and everything- but they don't have a dwarf throne option in DAI? And they do have a "mage throne" or "Chantry throne," thrones that don't even exist otherwise? I mean, they've got dwarven most everything else. Maybe there's no answer for that (devs would have to answer), but seeing that there's this DAI content for one, what happened? Does it assemble to anything?

 

The Inquisitions builders probably suffered a nervous breakdown at the thought of hauling the massive stone blocks, needed for a proper dwarven throne, up to Skyhold. :D


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#7249
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The Inquisitions builders probably suffered a nervous breakdown at the thought of hauling the massive stone blocks, needed for a proper dwarven throne, up to Skyhold. :D

Well, if they could this bugger in there, they should at least have been able to get the dwarven throne to fit.

 

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Then again, no dwarven throne is complete without a huge bearded, hammer-lifting dwarf statue behind it, so you're probably right. ;)



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]quote]Well, if they could this bugger in there, they should at least have been able to get the dwarven throne to fit.[/quote]

 

I still can't figure out how they got that one in the door. I mean, the front doors aren't small, but they don't seem wide enough for that. And they'd have had to get it up two flights of stairs!