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[vertigomez]

I still can't figure out how they got that one in the door. I mean, the front doors aren't small, but they don't seem wide enough for that. And they'd have had to get it up two flights of stairs!

Iron Bull?

[TobiTobsen]

 

 

Well, if they could this bugger in there, they should at least have been able to get the dwarven throne to fit.

 

I still can't figure out how they got that one in the door. I mean, the front doors aren't small, but they don't seem wide enough for that. And they'd have had to get it up two flights of stairs!

 

Through the giant hole in the wall of the corridor to the war room? Nobody seems to bother to fix that massive, gaping hole in all the time, so maybe it's used as a decorations delivery entrance?

[90s Kai]

Through the giant hole in the wall of the corridor to the war room? Nobody seems to bother to fix that massive, gaping hole in all the time, so maybe it's used as a delivery entrance?

I always thought that odd why that gaping hole was never fixed. I mean it's right where the advisors and us are. So someone could parkour up the mountain, sneak in and hold us for ransom or something to that effect.

[Gilsa]

Forgot to throw a quip in about this. I mean, there actually is a dwarven throne sitting right there in DAO- asset already designed and everything- but they don't have a dwarf throne option in DAI? And they do have a "mage throne" or "Chantry throne," thrones that don't even exist otherwise? I mean, they've got dwarven most everything else. Maybe there's no answer for that (devs would have to answer), but seeing that there's this DAI content for one, what happened? Does it assemble to anything?

 

I don't know. I had hoped that Descent of all things would give us a dwarven throne to sit on or at the very least, an alternate throne since we DO get judged in the DLC. That DAI throne graphic you refer to is used throughout Deep Roads areas like Valammar and Hissing Wastes. In fact, we do have this throne at Skyhold, but someone signed for it when it was delivered.

 

 

 

 

[Tishina]

I always thought that odd why that gaping hole was never fixed. I mean it's right where the advisors and us are. So someone could parkour up the mountain, sneak in and hold us for ransom or something to that effect.

Nah, that hole is there just so you have to listen to the chant of light in an annoying monotone every single bl**dy time you walk down the corridor if you made the garden a chantry garden. I haven't been able to stomach making it a chantry garden since my first PT (kind of like the effect the nug's squeek in camp had on me in DAO - you don't want to know how many nugs I slaughtered in DAI to vent my spleen, lol.)

[TobiTobsen]

Nah, that hole is there just so you have to listen to the chant of light in an annoying monotone every single bl**dy time you walk down the corridor if you made the garden a chantry garden. I haven't been able to stomach making it a chantry garden since my first PT (kind of like the effect the nug's squeek in camp had on me in DAO - you don't want to know how many nugs I slaughtered in DAI to vent my spleen, lol.)

 

Sing only the Chant, Tishina! SING ONLY THE CHANT!

 

*jumps from Skyhold battlements*

[Tishina]

Sing only the Chant, Tishina! SING ONLY THE CHANT!

 

*jumps from Skyhold battlements*

It was REALLY close at times, ... I started muting my speakers every time I went down the hall.

[TEWR]

I don't know. I had hoped that Descent of all things would give us a dwarven throne to sit on or at the very least, an alternate throne since we DO get judged in the DLC. That DAI throne graphic you refer to is used throughout Deep Roads areas like Valammar and Hissing Wastes. In fact, we do have this throne at Skyhold, but someone signed for it when it was delivered.

 

 

 

I'm still trying to figure out how this dude and his two pirate buddies got sent to the Storm Coast from Chateau Haine.

 

Kinda bothered the Keep didn't have that as a choice, since I tend to free them.

[Fandango]

Finished Descent today and enjoyed it immensely. Quite the challenge on nightmare mind, but I really did appreciate the ramp up in difficulty. Excellent DLC!

[Bhryaen]

Nah, that hole is there just so you have to listen to the chant of light in an annoying monotone every single bl**dy time you walk down the corridor if you made the garden a chantry garden. I haven't been able to stomach making it a chantry garden since my first PT (kind of like the effect the nug's squeek in camp had on me in DAO - you don't want to know how many nugs I slaughtered in DAI to vent my spleen, lol.)

Cannot agree with you more about that <long string of expletives> nug... Dog's barks were bad enough. You might like this caption of my Jagan Aeducan that Schmoothead's squeaks inspired...

 

[Olwaye]

I went through my scrolls, "Schmooples" is actually an old dwarvish slang word that means "emergency food supply"

[vertigomez]

Cannot agree with you more about that <long string of expletives> nug... Dog's barks were bad enough. You might like this caption of my Jagan Aeducan that Schmoothead's squeaks inspired...
 

Oh myyy, forgive my distraction but Jagan's one good-looking dwarf! Would love to hear his story sometime.

[Bhryaen]

Oh myyy, forgive my distraction but Jagan's one good-looking dwarf! Would love to hear his story sometime.

I made a BW album for him if you want to see more, added captions to a number of his screenies, if ya want. I used a Witcher hair mod for him- worked fantastically. Loved him in Warden armor.

 

On Schkweekles I had another pic that I added a caption something like...

 

Jagan: "If they'd have told me I was going to have to star with a giant, noisy nug, I'd never have taken the part. The best roles I'll get from now on are pet commercials. My career is finished!"

[Tishina]

Cannot agree with you more about that <long string of expletives> nug... Dog's barks were bad enough. You might like this caption of my Jagan Aeducan that Schmoothead's squeaks inspired...

 

I only gave Lel the nug twice. Once in my first game because I didn't effing know better. And once in the game where I romanced Lel, which I considered proof of martyred devotion (and gave him to her as late in the game as possible then stayed out of camp, lol.)

[vertigomez]

So I ran across this tidbit earlier...

Spoiler

At 2:40 Vartag says, "Rica! I'm at the Assembly. This is no place for a woman. What do you mean by this?"

At 3:18 Rica says, "His mother is getting on in years and gave up her Assembly seat to him." (Is this referring to Denek Helmi? I can't read the text)

LOLWUT. The only thing I can think of is that Vartag's full of **** (like always), or that he's referring to Rica's status as a former noble hunter? But if that's the case, why wouldn't he just say so? Is what's his face's mother noteworthy as being the only woman to hold a seat in the Assembly..?

Confusing.

I made a BW album for him if you want to see more, added captions to a number of his screenies, if ya want. I used a Witcher hair mod for him- worked fantastically. Loved him in Warden armor.

Sweet! Time to peruse.

[TEWR]

So I ran across this tidbit earlier...

Spoiler

At 2:40 Vartag says, "Rica! I'm at the Assembly. This is no place for a woman. What do you mean by this?"

At 3:18 Rica says, "His mother is getting on in years and gave up her Assembly seat to him." (Is this referring to Denek Helmi? I can't read the text)

LOLWUT. The only thing I can think of is that Vartag's full of **** (like always), or that he's referring to Rica's status as a former noble hunter? But if that's the case, why wouldn't he just say so? Is what's his face's mother noteworthy as being the only woman to hold a seat in the Assembly..?

Confusing.


Sweet! Time to peruse.

 

Yeah, I noticed that too. Then you have to factor in how the Dace Family's deshyr is also a woman. 

 

It makes no sense and is one of the reasons why I look at how APoHK as being sloppily written for Dwarf PCs, and seems to be just a bit of sexism thrown in to here for its own sake. I mean, Dwarf culture has historically been sexist towards female Dwarves -- as Astyth's story shows -- but you would think that something would click with Rica that it's a load of brontoshit, and I would think the sexism is only reserved for female warriors (since a DN male will hear from the Proving Master some comments about Adal Helmi, and can even be sexist themselves) and wouldn't apply to female politicians.

 

The only other thing I could think of is that Vartag is trying to keep Rica from the Assembly at Bhelen's behest because he doesn't want her learning any politics or anything.

 

Which would honestly just vindicate my belief that canon!Bhelen doesn't care about her and only sees her (and by extension, the DC) as tools to help strengthen House Aeducan.

 

Also yes it was in regards to Lord Denek Helmi.

[TobiTobsen]

Is Rica being Bhelen's mistress at that point common knowledge? Even if it is... well... Vartag is one of Bhelen's henchman. Being a douche is probably a must-have criteria. *g*

 

Sexism against female warriors actually fits the dwarven mindset and way of life. Politician or any other position in Orzammar: Fine, go ahead; but every fighting woman is one potential mother less and one potential broodmother more.

[vertigomez]

Well, I'm pretty sure she had baby Endrin at that point, so... probably common knowledge. And it's true there exists a distinctly patronizing attitude towards female warriors in Orzammar because of the constant threat of darkspawn, needing moar babies to keep the dwindling population up, etc. But if Vartag's talking Assembly seats, maybe it's more pervasive than that? A female politician isn't about to die in the Deep Roads, if that's what they're so concerned about.

Not only can you say some truly nasty things to Adal Helmi as a male DN ("You let a woman fight in the Proving in my honor?" / "There is no honor in fighting a woman."), but if you're a female DN your relationship with Gorim has to be kept hush-hush while the male DN is propositioned in the streets.

I think I read (somewhere..?) that noblewomen as a rule don't hook up with the equivalent of male noble hunters. Maybe it's because she has to carry the baby so long before it's finally born and the sex/caste is apparent, but to me it smacks of "keeping OUR women pure" from those nasty casteless men. But also, the child would only be noble if it was female - and what use is another girl when you could have a noble or warrior boy? The "optimal" male child will still be wasted as a casteless.

[draken-heart]

Well, after playing Alva the warrior for a bit, I decided to reincarnate her as a rogue (as part of revising my world state while sticking to a 1 class per hero rule). Have a picture now, and will post a revised backstory if it is desired (simply the same, just switch the personalities of Alva and Duvessa around). Putting in a spoiler for no real reason.

 

Spoiler

[Bhryaen]

Didn't Bhelen intentionally make his marriage announcement very conspicuous- even an open political statement? I think he wanted it to be common knowledge- not that he's the casteless champion for simply taking advantage of the casteless' plight by indulging in the whole "noble hunter" option. We hear how he speaks of a male DN's "whorr" and "brat-" that relationship having derived from nothing different from how Bhelen "meets" Rica. Hard to imagine him thinking much differently about Rica who really isn't a lot different than most casteless girls in order to say, well, it's because she was so outstanding at X and Y that he had more respect for her. Instead of proclaiming his intent to abolish the caste system, it seemed more a matter of him generally establishing himself as empowered to do anything he pleases, tradition or laws be-damned.

 

I took Vartag's "No place for a woman" comment to mean less "Women ain't allowed" than "You're only Bhelen's woman/wife, so you don't get access." Just watch the Assembly scenes: female Assembly members are all through the ranks of politicos in the hall. It might just be inconsistent writing though. Maybe sex integration is fairly advanced in Orzammar but not so complete as to say there's full social equality: like perhaps only men actually get leadership positions in the Assembly even if women are completely welcome to join, vote, participate. I think there was at least one female Orzammar monarch though, wasn't there?

 

There is a bit of a mixed impression to get regarding the status of women in Orzammar- a sexist line left unchecked in one place (like that snipe at a FemDN at the Provings), then he Silent Sisters given special recognition in another; male statues well-outnumbering female statues while a Branka gets made Paragon and leads her family around by the nose into the Deep Roads- or while Jarvia leads the carta with zero sexist resistance. If anything women's "place" seems more like it's in a bit of constant flux in Orzammar, so I think what TobyTobsen said was the most determining factor, given the population decline and constant threat of darkspawn:

 

Sexism against female warriors actually fits the dwarven mindset and way of life. Politician or any other position in Orzammar: Fine, go ahead; but every fighting woman is one potential mother less and one potential broodmother more.

 

When facing possible annihilation folks often act according to a "circle the wagons" mentality- not necessarily bad, but necessarily extreme. This is another reason why it doesn't seem so implausible to me that a Bhelen type might be quickly supported and accepted despite everyone knowing full well what a douche he is: if he's offering a "strong leader" approach and is demonstrating his willingness to implement it, his other tendencies might seem less relevant than his potential to hold off "dem injuns." Were the darkspawn vanquished and dwarven survival fairly secure and certain, a Bhelen might be evaluated on other criteria more heavily.

[TEWR]

Is Rica being Bhelen's mistress at that point common knowledge? Even if it is... well... Vartag is one of Bhelen's henchman. Being a douche is probably a must-have criteria. *g*

 

Sexism against female warriors actually fits the dwarven mindset and way of life. Politician or any other position in Orzammar: Fine, go ahead; but every fighting woman is one potential mother less and one potential broodmother more.

 

It is. The criers are using Bhelen's relationship as evidence for/against him. 

 

And oh I'm not saying sexism against female warriors is something outlandish given everything else about Dwarven culture, merely that it's the only one that would make any sort of sense considering the society itself in terms of Thedas.

 

Well, I'm pretty sure she had baby Endrin at that point, so... probably common knowledge. And it's true there exists a distinctly patronizing attitude towards female warriors in Orzammar because of the constant threat of darkspawn, needing moar babies to keep the dwindling population up, etc. But if Vartag's talking Assembly seats, maybe it's more pervasive than that? A female politician isn't about to die in the Deep Roads, if that's what they're so concerned about.

Not only can you say some truly nasty things to Adal Helmi as a male DN ("You let a woman fight in the Proving in my honor?" / "There is no honor in fighting a woman."), but if you're a female DN your relationship with Gorim has to be kept hush-hush while the male DN is propositioned in the streets.

I think I read (somewhere..?) that noblewomen as a rule don't hook up with the equivalent of male noble hunters. Maybe it's because she has to carry the baby so long before it's finally born and the sex/caste is apparent, but to me it smacks of "keeping OUR women pure" from those nasty casteless men. But also, the child would only be noble if it was female - and what use is another girl when you could have a noble or warrior boy? The "optimal" male child will still be wasted as a casteless.

 

So wait, male noble hunters do exist? I remember Zerlinda, a Mining Caste woman, fell in love with a casteless man who ended up just being a massive dick and running away at the first chance he got upon her having a boy instead of a girl, but I always figured that was just two people from different backgrounds meeting (since Mining Caste is hardly something a noble hunter would go for). I had also always wondered why we only ever saw or heard about female noble hunters.

 

Like one would think that either way it'd be great. Yeah it'd have to be a girl to have the caste remain and the casteless ascend, but it'd still be another child. And thanks to Astyth's actions, women can fight on the front lines now (even if they'd be side-eyed for it for a few reasons). 

 

I dunno it just seems like we should hear more about male noble hunters to me. Maybe instead of how the women have to be trained in things like poetry, sewing, singing, dancing, etc. the men would be trained in things that would make them seem like "A Bronto Among Nugs". Beraht, and other Dwarves, act as patrons to prospective noble hunters to allow them to learn these things and make necessary bribes to ensure access. One would think there might be similar patrons to the male casteless whom would see them say undertake things like tactics, smithery, mining, etc. 

 

Of course this is all speculative, and of course would also draw the potential risk of having a failed noble hunter lead a revolt of the casteless, which may be why it doesn't happen. The women are groomed in things that make them alluring and sophisticated, but not a threat (which may also be why Vartag is keeping Rica out of the Assembly, again in my mind on Bhelen's orders). 

[TobiTobsen]

Male noble hunters would be rather dangerous for dwarven society and are probably discouraged or non-existent, I think.

 

Not sure how the whole "A key that can open many locks is called a master key, but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock." bias is handled by the dwarves, but additionally the only thing you could get from such a union would be noble woman, while you would foster a steady rise of a disgruntled male duster population.

 

Pretty dangerous for a caste system that treats the lowest class as less than dirt.

[vertigomez]

So wait, male noble hunters do exist? I remember Zerlinda, a Mining Caste woman, fell in love with a casteless man who ended up just being a massive dick and running away at the first chance he got upon her having a boy instead of a girl, but I always figured that was just two people from different backgrounds meeting (since Mining Caste is hardly something a noble hunter would go for). I had also always wondered why we only ever saw or heard about female noble hunters.
 
Like one would think that either way it'd be great. Yeah it'd have to be a girl to have the caste remain and the casteless ascend, but it'd still be another child. And thanks to Astyth's actions, women can fight on the front lines now (even if they'd be side-eyed for it for a few reasons). 
 
I dunno it just seems like we should hear more about male noble hunters to me. Maybe instead of how the women have to be trained in things like poetry, sewing, singing, dancing, etc. the men would be trained in things that would make them seem like "A Bronto Among Nugs". Beraht, and other Dwarves, act as patrons to prospective noble hunters to allow them to learn these things and make necessary bribes to ensure access. One would think there might be similar patrons to the male casteless whom would see them say undertake things like tactics, smithery, mining, etc. 
 
Of course this is all speculative, and of course would also draw the potential risk of having a failed noble hunter lead a revolt of the casteless, which may be why it doesn't happen. The women are groomed in things that make them alluring and sophisticated, but not a threat (which may also be why Vartag is keeping Rica out of the Assembly, again in my mind on Bhelen's orders).

I tried to look it up, but all I could is that "most" noble hunters are female. I imagine there are probably a few handsome dorf lads who'd like to give it a shot, but most noblewomen are simply too afraid of getting saddled with a son and having to pull a Zerlinda - abandon your baby to die or be forever disgraced. Coupled with stereotypes about casteless men (horrible violent thugs >___>), I guess they're just not... very in-demand.

On the OTHER hand, both Leske and dear old Mam will make comments to a male DC about prostituting himself to male nobles. I imagine that's fairly stigmatized (since the only reason female noble hunters are granted any measure of respect at all is because they can provide Orzammar with more children). Still, I'm sure that's definitely not without precedent.

Male noble hunters would be rather dangerous for dwarven society and are probably discouraged or non-existent, I think.
 
Not sure how the whole "A key that can open many locks is called a master key, but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock." bias is handled by the dwarves, but additionally the only thing you could get from such a union would be noble woman, while you would foster a steady rise of a disgruntled male duster population.
 
Pretty dangerous for a caste system that treats the lowest class as less than dirt.

I don't know that the male duster population could possible get any more disgruntled than they are now.

[TobiTobsen]

I don't know that the male duster population could possible get any more disgruntled than they are now.

 

 

Sure, but male noble hunters would be like adding fuel to the fire. Instead of just tolerating the dusters, the nobles would actively boost the number of disgruntled people by allowing such a custom.

[Bhryaen]

Well, after playing Alva the warrior for a bit, I decided to reincarnate her as a rogue (as part of revising my world state while sticking to a 1 class per hero rule). Have a picture now, and will post a revised backstory if it is desired (simply the same, just switch the personalities of Alva and Duvessa around). Putting in a spoiler for no real reason.

 

Spoiler

Cool Duster! But I don't think you need to worry about whether a story is "desired" (other than by you) before posting it. Regardless I'd say it's welcome on this thread. More dorfy stories!