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#7401
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lol! True, even the cutscenes at Haven are mostly in armor. I'm not terribly good at judging the exact differences, but I do know that I now enjoy watching both the DF and EF running around Skyhold where before I couldn't stand to look straight at them...

 

I don't really have canon PTs, but Brosca was probably as close as I got.

 

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That's a cool difference the Morrigan hair made for Zhenya, maybe because it reduces attention to the forehead so you see the eye tattoos more solidly. It's almost irksome how simply changing hair can make such a difference in a character's appearance. I tried it out on my DAO Kruklya once, made her seem like a different person to me, but how? It's just bloody hair!

 

This one I ran with, having a long ponytail that I loved (and not a mage (no, really), but dressed like one on TV)...

 

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Then this one of a buffont "do" that just seems like Not-Kruklya after having played her the other way for so many hours:

 

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Maybe I'm just guffawing because I don't want to get as deep into mods in DAI as I did in DAO. Countless hours I spent getting as many of those in as I did...


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Has anyone ever mentioned how peculiar the casteless tattoo is? It looks like a number 5- maybe the letter S. I'd have thought a casteless tattoo would be more of an X stamped across the forehead, but dwarves have something curious in mind with that right-cheek design. I mean, the casteless are supposedly considered dust, less-than-dwarf(people), social rejects, but the design of their brand is a little more elaborate graphically than, say, a hole clicked on an obsolete driver's license. Is there some lore I don't know about? Like are casteless the 5th rung of society or something? The "S" in Superman's suit is supposedly a symbol of something meaningful in his society or family, but what is the casteless' "S" meaning?

 

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OK, may not be an answer, but, oh, well, long been wondering...


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This isn't relevant to the current topic being discussed, but I just wanted to drop by and apologize to my fellow dwarf fans.

I love having variety amongst my various canon creations, and I also love the culture and story of the Dalish Elves. So, I dropped my dwarf for a Qunari!

I originally played as a Dalish in Origins, and loved it. But with the rushed production of Dragon Age 2, some little writing issues weren't resolved, and I had to drop the character (dialogues from Merrill and Marethari suggest that the only Dalish that makes sense importing is either an Ultimate Sacrifice or one who followed Morrigan through the Eluvian). Of course, I don't regret discovering how much I enjoyed making my exiled dwarf princess my official Warden.

Inquisition was built human-first, so attempting a Dalish character provides a very jarring experience with all of the incorrect terms, cultural ignorance, andhuman-centric assumptions. Thus, playing a Qunari allows me to finally add the Dalish experience next time (it would be amusingly ironic, if Inquisition's lack of city elves led to a Dalish race selection absence for fairness in Dragon Age 4).

Dwarves will always be my favorite, and I will play another again. Yet, here is the Inquisitor that will stay with me:

 

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Has anyone ever mentioned how peculiar the casteless tattoo is? It looks like a number 5- maybe the letter S. I'd have thought a casteless tattoo would be more of an X stamped across the forehead, but dwarves have something curious in mind with that right-cheek design. I mean, the casteless are supposedly considered dust, less-than-dwarf(people), social rejects, but the design of their brand is a little more elaborate graphically than, say, a hole clicked on an obsolete driver's license. Is there some lore I don't know about? Like are casteless the 5th rung of society or something? The "S" in Superman's suit is supposedly a symbol of something meaningful in his society or family, but what is the casteless' "S" meaning?

 

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OK, may not be an answer, but, oh, well, long been wondering...

Hmm, maybe a rune that means casteless or something related? I've wondered what it meant in the past too, but there's not much on the dwarven language and writing...



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New to this dwarven support thread... but my newest theory is that the castless tattoos are dwarven vallaslin. 

 

- We now have information pointing to the dwarves being forced underground by the elves. 

- We know the elves killed Titans and mined lyrium.

- We have no reason to believe that ancient elves could touch lyrium and easier than current elves. 

- vallaslin are slave markings for elves. 

- castless tattoos clearly indicate a "slave" rank among the dwarves


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New to this dwarven support thread... but my newest theory is that the castless tattoos are dwarven vallaslin. 

 

- We now have information pointing to the dwarves being forced underground by the elves. 

- We know the elves killed Titans and mined lyrium.

- We have no reason to believe that ancient elves could touch lyrium and easier than current elves. 

- vallaslin are slave markings for elves. 

- castless tattoos clearly indicate a "slave" rank among the dwarves

Cool theory- true that it's casteless that automatically get the tattoo as well as the enslaved elves (which later continued the "tradition" the same way that eating "grits" is a hold-over from the only meals allotted to blacks during slavery- or that fry bread is an Amerindian "cuisine" that derives from starvation on reservations). Mind you, caste dwarves will go tattoo by choice (and humans, qunari), so it's not exactly seen as slave markings by anyone other than Solas at this point- albeit the casteless having a different experience altogether. I've also wondered at when the whole branding happens for the casteless- parents expected to bring their children soon after birth to the authorities for branding or something, a bit like mage children are expected to be dropped off at the nearest Circle Depot Center when discovered. The casteless aren't born with the tattoo after all, no? I've been wondering if the implication is that "lower" elves are born with it, branded by the Evanuris as slaves into their blood- and thus skin- but the alienage elves don't have it, so... I suppose it's more likely that there are tattoo artists among the Dalish. Still, that makes Solas' offer to magically remove a vallaslin not much more spectacular than electrolysis.

 

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And after all, it's called a "tattoo" explicitly in the CC. And tattoos aren't quite the same as a brand- heat up the poker and *singe*. They take time to design on the skin. This is why it's a bit more intriguing: they'd have to take time and care to make the casteless "brand" tattoo look the way it does with its crisp edges and details. This is also why I said an "X" or "O" or spot might've been an easier tattoo to make the standard for branding the dwarven "untouchables."

 

What I was more interested in, however, was how that particular symbol/icon/runemark was chosen to brand the casteless. It's a distinctive shape- somewhat conspicuously mostly resembling a "5". It's both a lore and metagame question, however, since, in the latter case, it may have nothing to do with Thedosian implications. For instance, the name of the world- Thedas- is actually just a sort of amalgam of "THE Dragon Age Setting". As much as the name of DA's hallowed known world may seem to mean something, that was the rather mundane origin of "Thedas" for the DA devs. So I wonder at what went into them making the casteless' brand look the way it does. Like, maybe the DC origin was the 5th origin to get developed, and the graphic designers were sorta partial to the number 5 that way and went with it. Or maybe it's actually an as-yet-unrevealed part of the lore- dwarves first having been officially designated as casteless in a "5th Age" or something. Not sure what went into it. I'm trying not to overthink it since there might be a very simple origin- or no thought having gone into it at all (like the Cadash Stompers symbol haha)- but I still wonder at it.



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Cool theory- true that it's casteless that automatically get the tattoo as well as the enslaved elves (which later continued the "tradition" the same way that eating "grits" is a hold-over from the only meals allotted to blacks during slavery- or that fry bread is an Amerindian "cuisine" that derives from starvation on reservations). Mind you, caste dwarves will go tattoo by choice (and humans, qunari), so it's not exactly seen as slave markings by anyone other than Solas at this point- albeit the casteless having a different experience altogether. I've also wondered at when the whole branding happens for the casteless- parents expected to bring their children soon after birth to the authorities for branding or something, a bit like mage children are expected to be dropped off at the nearest Circle Depot Center when discovered. The casteless aren't born with the tattoo after all, no? I've been wondering if the implication is that "lower" elves are born with it, branded by the Evanuris as slaves into their blood- and thus skin- but the alienage elves don't have it, so... I suppose it's more likely that there are tattoo artists among the Dalish. Still, that makes Solas' offer to magically remove a vallaslin not much more spectacular than electrolysis.

 

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And after all, it's called a "tattoo" explicitly in the CC. And tattoos aren't quite the same as a brand- heat up the poker and *singe*. They take time to design on the skin. This is why it's a bit more intriguing: they'd have to take time and care to make the casteless "brand" tattoo look the way it does with its crisp edges and details. This is also why I said an "X" or "O" or spot might've been an easier tattoo to make the standard for branding the dwarven "untouchables."

 

What I was more interested in, however, was how that particular symbol/icon/runemark was chosen to brand the casteless. It's a distinctive shape- somewhat conspicuously mostly resembling a "5". It's both a lore and metagame question, however, since, in the latter case, it may have nothing to do with Thedosian implications. For instance, the name of the world- Thedas- is actually just a sort of amalgam of "THE Dragon Age Setting". As much as the name of DA's hallowed known world may seem to mean something, that was the rather mundane origin of "Thedas" for the DA devs. So I wonder at what went into them making the casteless' brand look the way it does. Like, maybe the DC origin was the 5th origin to get developed, and the graphic designers were sorta partial to the number 5 that way and went with it. Or maybe it's actually an as-yet-unrevealed part of the lore- dwarves first having been officially designated as casteless in a "5th Age" or something. Not sure what went into it. I'm trying not to overthink it since there might be a very simple origin- or no thought having gone into it at all (like the Cadash Stompers symbol haha)- but I still wonder at it.

The Dalish are tattooed as part of an adulthood ritual which is also explicit in DAO. There are codex entries about the Vallaslin in-game, and if you look, the children in the Dalish camps are not tattooed.

 

The Casteless mark is called, specifically, a brand in DAO, however, even if it shows up under "tattoos." Frankly,  brands seem more likely - they can't be concealed, and they're far faster than a tattoo, and it isn't as if the Shapers give two nugs about hurting a casteless child they don't believe should have been born. How they compel casteless parents to let their children be branded is another matter entirely, and one I'd be surprised if they ever answer. Just like qunari horns are under "hair." I doubt the similarity to a "5" or an "s" has any particular in-game significance - dwarven runes are not based on a Western European lettering system, though the original design may have been the result of something as mundane as the name of Thedas...



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The Dalish are tattooed as part of an adulthood ritual which is also explicit in DAO. There are codex entries about the Vallaslin in-game, and if you look, the children in the Dalish camps are not tattooed.

 

The Casteless mark is called, specifically, a brand in DAO, however, even if it shows up under "tattoos." Frankly,  brands seem more likely - they can't be concealed, and they're far faster than a tattoo, and it isn't as if the Shapers give two nugs about hurting a casteless child they don't believe should have been born. How they compel casteless parents to let their children be branded is another matter entirely, and one I'd be surprised if they ever answer. Just like qunari horns are under "hair." I doubt the similarity to a "5" or an "s" has any particular in-game significance - dwarven runes are not based on a Western European lettering system, though the original design may have been the result of something as mundane as the name of Thedas...

Shows how memorable the Dalish storyline has been for me... *sigh* Is it spelled out in-game in DAO or DAI? I played a Dalish in both and missed it entirely.

 

That's more like what I was saying: that they'd use a brand on the casteless rather than go through much trouble marking "them" for life as not-dwarves (which makes House Brosca at the end of DAO pretty funny given all the casteless tattoos they're sporting). But the actual "brand" in-game is indistinguishable from a tattoo, and there's no lore specifying which one it is- tattoo or brand that looks like a tattoo. I was also thinking something similar- that the number 5 only looks like that because we're speaking/writing a language that uses that particular symbol for the number- but so do the DAO devs from the exotic multicultural realm of Canada, so I can certainly see there having been something they intended from their own cultural vantage point, even if they were intending it lore-wise somehow. Anyhoots we don't really know, so... I was just hoping someone had a "scoop" on it, some obscure dev remark about it from yrs ago, some scuttlebutt relating to why they chose the symbol they did.



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Shows how memorable the Dalish storyline has been for me... *sigh* Is it spelled out in-game in DAO or DAI? I played a Dalish in both and missed it entirely.

 

That's more like what I was saying: that they'd use a brand on the casteless rather than go through much trouble marking "them" for life as not-dwarves (which makes House Brosca at the end of DAO pretty funny given all the casteless tattoos they're sporting). But the actual "brand" in-game is indistinguishable from a tattoo, and there's no lore specifying which one it is- tattoo or brand that looks like a tattoo. I was also thinking something similar- that the number 5 only looks like that because we're speaking/writing a language that uses that particular symbol for the number- but so do the DAO devs from the exotic multicultural realm of Canada, so I can certainly see there having been something they intended from their own cultural vantage point, even if they were intending it lore-wise somehow. Anyhoots we don't really know, so... I was just hoping someone had a "scoop" on it, some obscure dev remark about it from yrs ago, some scuttlebutt relating to why they chose the symbol they did.

It's spelled out pretty clearly in DAO:

"When the children of our people came of age, they earn the privilege of wearing the vallaslin, the blood writing. It sets us apart from the shemlen, and from the elves who have thrown their lot in with them. It reminds us that we will never again surrender our traditions and beliefs.
—From Codex entry: Vallaslin: Blood Writing"

I think there are a couple of other entries that refer to it too. I can't recall off the top of my head how much they say about the actual process in DAI specifically, just the conversation with Solas about it when he chickens out of telling his lover the truth about himself and instead offers to remove the vallaslin.


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huh we're nearing 300 pages now? Nice.


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So, finally had time to play Descent, got to the final part of the second level and I cannot examine the bodies without the game shutting down. I checked the wiki, it is a known problem, but their solution didn't work. I then removed every single mod, repaired the game twice (four time now actually), reduced graphics to medium, checked Windows and Flash for updates, checked for graphics drivers updates, and game updates, and it still shuts down (I'm playing on PC, obviously.) Does anyone know if there's a thread where they give a working solution to this, or did I flush $17 USD down the tube? lol, I'm starting to think anything dwarven in the game is cursed for me...

 

huh we're nearing 300 pages now? Nice.

Yep!


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Great lore scoping there... had to search DAWiki for the reference to the gold-bounteous Darmallon Thaig in the Darmallon Axe description (the axe found in the Emerald Graves, not the Hissing Wastes, mind you). Can't find any other reference mentioning the flooding thingy. Did you invent that or did I miss lore about that mentioned elsewhere? As to Orzammar diverting resources to as far away as the Hissing Wastes, well... priorities closer to home might come first... and Kal-Shirok is much closer, and Kal-Shirok isn't doing much expansion as of late, far as we know. But I like the idea! Better dwarves claim Kal Repartha (despite that wayward sun-kissed dwarves built it) than Vints. And any settlement of dwarves would be fantastic to me, surface or otherwise. :)

Hey there. I made up that part of Darmallon being flooded. But I thought it would be an interesting twist in how desperate they were during the First Blight. 

 

I've been trying to locate these places in the available maps and I figured Darmallon is closer to Southern Orlais than Kal Shirok, which I believe is further up north. 



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So, finally had time to play Descent, got to the final part of the second level and I cannot examine the bodies without the game shutting down. I checked the wiki, it is a known problem, but their solution didn't work. I then removed every single mod, repaired the game twice (four time now actually), reduced graphics to medium, checked Windows and Flash for updates, checked for graphics drivers updates, and game updates, and it still shuts down (I'm playing on PC, obviously.) Does anyone know if there's a thread where they give a working solution to this, or did I flush $17 USD down the tube? lol, I'm starting to think anything dwarven in the game is cursed for me...

 

Yep!

Reload doesn't work? It's always worked for me.

 

I noticed the bug always happens when I avoid the giant ogre in the middle, and continue around to fight the small baddies. It's like the game punishes you for not charging the ogre like an idiot.



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What are you playing on? I got that too but the work around for me was, apparently, a genlock ran from battle and was hugging the wall past where you get in the lift to go down further in to the Roads. But that was on the PS4. Hope this helps.

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What are you playing on? I got that too but the work around for me was, apparently, a genlock ran from battle and was hugging the wall past where you get in the lift to go down further in to the Roads. But that was on the PS4. Hope this helps.

I'm on PC. I was able to save, so I assume there wasn't anyone I missed and I've reexplored the entire area I have access to.

 

Reload doesn't work? It's always worked for me.

 

I noticed the bug always happens when I avoid the giant ogre in the middle, and continue around to fight the small baddies. It's like the game punishes you for not charging the ogre like an idiot.

Ugh, yeah, I went for the guys at the side first because obviously it would be better to put off the ogre until you can fight it alone. Reload does not work. I've gone back to the main camp and on down to the next level (where you can't get any further) and back. Nada. The fix on the Wiki involved activating the mission just past the ogre and the dialogue between the two dwarves, but that didn't work for me either.

 

Starting to sound like I may have to reload and play all the way back through the first two levels, sigh. If it's such a well-known bug, though, you'd think they'd have put the time into fixing that rather than things like nerfing KEs...

 

Since that PT is stalled, I jumped back over to Zhenya and went through Here Lies the Abyss with her. Her regular team is Varrick, Cole, and Dorian, and when I hit the Fade, I realized I had probably picked the worse possible group to physically enter the Fade - a pair of non-Fade-connected dwarves, a Tevinter, and a spirit who freaks out worse than anyone. Made for a lot of fun, though I'd have liked more dwarf dialogue about the Fade...


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Source: http://corelda.tumbl...-corelda-fjalar

 

I'm not saying I want dwarf/human babies for DA:4, Bioware, but maybe you should consider adding dwarf/human babies for DA:4.


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Source: http://corelda.tumbl...-corelda-fjalar

 

I'm not saying I want dwarf/human babies for DA:4, Bioware, but maybe you should consider adding dwarf/human babies for DA:4.

Awwww!


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I always was a bit bitter toward Bioware for choosing the elves over dwarves for their special pets (I loathe the DA elves)... because of this, I admittedly was reluctant in making my favorite fantasy race any of my canon Warden/Inquisitors.

 

However, the more I see about Solas, the ancient elven empire and Descent - I feel like the elves are the worst thing about Thedas and that it might actually be the dwarves that are going to rise to primacy in Thedas.

 

So... Varric, Harding, Dagna and I will rock a new DA:I playthrough that I'm going to intend to be my new main Inquisitor. 


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Don't hesitate to share screenshots! :)



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I want half-dwarf children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

(I play a half-dwarf in D&D so yeah lol)

 

Here's Catina suggesting that her BFFL becomes the Divine.

 

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After fending off assassins.

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These new Inquisitor uniforms are the bomb!


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DWARVES FOR LIFE MAN


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This is a good thread 



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*stumbles drunkenly into thread*
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*stumbles drunkenly into thread*

 

Dwarven ale or not dwarven ale? :P



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Dwarven ale or not dwarven ale? :P


Let's just say I'm channelling Oghren today. B)
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