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[Tishina]

"Not everyone" doesn't mean the demand would be big enough to motivate the devs to create such options.

And well... I don't see how DAI's female dwarves look like mini humans. They still have thick bodies just like before, right?

No. They're only very slightly heavier in build than humans. DAO f!dwarves were noticeably different from humans and very close in size to men (the entire Brosca origin collapses unless they are similar in size.) Until I modded mine, I couldn't tell my f!dwarves from a human unless the camera was far enough out to see the legs were shorter or if she was standing next to someone - I kept thinking "why is there a human on my screen, I don't play humans. Oh, wait..." And you know, no one has a problem with having truly diverse body types for male PCs. I'd like more overt diversity than different heights for females. Even the female qunari are so much smaller than the males...

 

Funny thing is, most of the time when I hear the new f!dwarf praised, it's someone who doesn't actually play them, or does so briefly as a novelty, usually quitting after a few hours. Very rarely someone who primarily plays f!dwarves. There are exceptions, of course. But I want to play a dwarf, not a hobbit. But no, I doubt they'll hear the complaints from dwarfdom because they apparently design what they want to look at...

[vertigomez]

Giving the Nexus Golem some srs shade right now.

"The gauntlet is passed. Only a Shaperate brings the light... conversion begins..."
"Amgarrak tapped the blood, spilled within the Stone."
"The Stone lives beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast."
"We were once more than we are."

You and your foreshadowing! *shakes fist*

[Qun00]

For male Carta!dwarves, I prefer the stubble.

Beards seem more like a symbol of the nobility, like those statues you see decorating dwarven places.

[vertigomez]

tfw you want to support Gaspard but Bhelen supports Celene. DECISIONS, DECISIONS.

[Qun00]

tfw you're playing a dwarf noble and crave revenge, but Harrowmont is a crappy ruler.

[dragonflight288]

tfw you want to support Gaspard but Bhelen supports Celene. DECISIONS, DECISIONS.

 

Harrowmont supports Gaspard. 

 

Huh. Interesting. 

 

Anyway, my Cadash Inquisitor just finished that quest and I reunited Celene with Briala and had Gaspard executed. He went in fully expecting to support Gaspard (he's very sarcastic but very direct. I've only given him the underworld connections dialogue perk because I feel my Cadash wouldn't have the education or experience to deal with magic, history or nobility conversations. It's SOOO tempting to get them every time I get a perk, but I'm refusing to do so,) but ended up supporting Celene and Briala because he saw the knife and I think he felt that Gaspard really did kill the emissary and tried to get two allies out of one deal to truly set up the Inquistion's strength. 

 

Which is why I was also tempted to have him, as a Carta guy, having no problem blackmailing all three of them, but ultimately decided that he would prefer long-term order to the inevitable conflict that having the three of them working together would generate. 

[PCThug]

So, I want to play as a dwarf in DA:O for the first time and is it just me or is it impossible to create a male dwarf who doesn't look like lumpy potato? I want my DA:I character creator back .

[vertigomez]

So, I want to play as a dwarf in DA:O for the first time and is it just me or is it impossible to create a male dwarf who doesn't look like lumpy potato? I want my DA:I character creator back .

Ha! It's quite possible. My trick was narrowing the chin, rounding out the jaw, and dialing back the caveman brow. Fuller lips and cheeks and bigger eyes balance the face a little bit, but of course you don't want to go overboard with that (or else you'll really look like a potato). All of that's without a beard, just a lil scruff.

[Tishina]

Ha! It's quite possible. My trick was narrowing the chin, rounding out the jaw, and dialing back the caveman brow. Fuller lips and cheeks and bigger eyes balance the face a little bit, but of course you don't want to go overboard with that (or else you'll really look like a potato). All of that's without a beard, just a lil scruff.

I agree, the CC just takes a lot of patience. I must have spent 20 hours in the CC working out how to age a female face the way I wanted it, but most things can eventually be done. I never did get a convincing Morticia Adams from the CC though...

[dragonflight288]

Ha! It's quite possible. My trick was narrowing the chin, rounding out the jaw, and dialing back the caveman brow. Fuller lips and cheeks and bigger eyes balance the face a little bit, but of course you don't want to go overboard with that (or else you'll really look like a potato). All of that's without a beard, just a lil scruff.

 

And getting a thinner nose. The big fat ones are just plain ugly. 

[Merela]

Ha! It's quite possible. My trick was narrowing the chin, rounding out the jaw, and dialing back the caveman brow. Fuller lips and cheeks and bigger eyes balance the face a little bit, but of course you don't want to go overboard with that (or else you'll really look like a potato). All of that's without a beard, just a lil scruff.

 

Speaking of beards, I'm still annoyed you couldn't give your male dwarves a glorious beard (and all of the DA:O dwarven beards were glorious. Clipping through armors and all, but still! glorious) without your Warden looking emaciated with the beard floatting ten centimeters away from their cheeks.

[Krypplingz]

Speaking of beards, I'm still annoyed you couldn't give your male dwarves a glorious beard (and all of the DA:O dwarven beards were glorious. Clipping through armors and all, but still! glorious) without your Warden looking emaciated with the beard floatting ten centimeters away from their cheeks.

You can on PC. Find a nice beard, shape the beardless face into an angelic shape, make sure everything is set, colors, shapes, portrait and voice, then click that handsome beard and BAM, full cheeks, full beard and erm...uh...full...something...

Big, cheeky potato smile:

Spoiler

 

There is also one face, the long blonde beard and big beautiful nose. The beard isn't selectable by normal means and it's a damn shame because this is one handsome specimen of facial fur, but anyways, the game thinks the dwarf doesn't have a beard.
So you can shape the parts that are normally shapable, then you can shape the normally grayed out options, but only one, since if you try to shape another part the cheeks get sucked back in. Don't know if it works on consoles. 

 

But I like not having to jump through these hoops in Inquisition. 

[PCThug]

Ha! It's quite possible. My trick was narrowing the chin, rounding out the jaw, and dialing back the caveman brow. Fuller lips and cheeks and bigger eyes balance the face a little bit, but of course you don't want to go overboard with that (or else you'll really look like a potato). All of that's without a beard, just a lil scruff.

Thanks for the tips! I've give them a try next time I fire up the game.

 

You can on PC. Find a nice beard, shape the beardless face into an angelic shape, make sure everything is set, colors, shapes, portrait and voice, then click that handsome beard and BAM, full cheeks, full beard and erm...uh...full...something...

Big, cheeky potato smile:

Spoiler

That is a great looking dwarf warden!

[Andraste_Reborn]

Guys, this week I finally made my second dwarf Inquisitor! I seem to be incapable of taking a half-way decent screenshot of him, but here's my least terrible cap of him recruiting the Templars:

 

[Cespar]

Guys, this week I finally made my second dwarf Inquisitor! I seem to be incapable of taking a half-way decent screenshot of him, but here's my least terrible cap of him recruiting the Templars:

 

 

He looks like he has seen a couple of battles.     I just started a new dwarf too. It's been a while since I've played Inquisition, so I've to get the hang of things again.   But, at least it will feel like a different play-through with that new custom difficult setting.  

[Andraste_Reborn]

He looks like he has seen a couple of battles.   

 

He spent twenty years or so beating people up for the Carta and he likes to tank with his face . His favourite ability is Charging Bull!

[Merela]

You can on PC. Find a nice beard, shape the beardless face into an angelic shape, make sure everything is set, colors, shapes, portrait and voice, then click that handsome beard and BAM, full cheeks, full beard and erm...uh...full...something...

Big, cheeky potato smile:

Spoiler

 

There is also one face, the long blonde beard and big beautiful nose. The beard isn't selectable by normal means and it's a damn shame because this is one handsome specimen of facial fur, but anyways, the game thinks the dwarf doesn't have a beard.
So you can shape the parts that are normally shapable, then you can shape the normally grayed out options, but only one, since if you try to shape another part the cheeks get sucked back in. Don't know if it works on consoles. 

 

But I like not having to jump through these hoops in Inquisition. 

 

...why did I never think of that? *hides in the box of shame*

[Krypplingz]

...why did I never think of that? *hides in the box of shame*

I learned the beard trick from somebody else, so feel free to leave the box.

 

I forgot to add that you can only click once on the beard meter. So you need to memorize where the beard is before you start shaping the face. After the beard is on you can't change anything else, otherwise the cheek fall back in.

The trick also works on human men. So you can have a puffy cheeked, bearded noble as well. 

[Bhryaen]

So, I want to play as a dwarf in DA:O for the first time and is it just me or is it impossible to create a male dwarf who doesn't look like lumpy potato? I want my DA:I character creator back .

I do like the DAI CC better for the options built-in, but I thought I came up with good male dwarf faces in DAO- and ones that had a lot more character than the humans I tried to make. The larger, wider nose was always a bit weirded by the graphics- more on the "lumpy mass" side than big, rocky dwarf nose look- but you could blend it with other larger facial features to seem more natural- max-sized eyes, wider cheek bones, wider mouth, lower the chin/jaw and mouth to create a larger face. Dwarves are kinda "supposed" to have heavier, rounder faces due to their physical stature, I think, so one man's "potato" is another man's "chiseled stone."

 

Beards I never really cared about. All the way back to NWN1 I used to like having dwarves without beards, that rockline jaw more apparent. As it is, beards clip pretty constantly (and in many instances awfully) in DAO- in cutscenes, with some armor, sinking into the chest when looking down, weirding when simply turning their head, not fully attached to the face, etc.- so I used stubble or shorter beards usually. The beard issues are on every race though, not just dwarves.

 

But I admit, like Tishina said, I've spent an absurd amount of time in the CC (couldn't help it!) tweaking before running with a character, so it's not like getting a "good" dwarf face (or any for me) is something I can say is easy peezy.... Though it's not a lot different with the DAI CC on that measure- many an hour having passed there before scrambling up those Fade steps... Mind you, I've seen some fantastic DAO dwarf males on the old DAO "character show-off" thread (that's still going in the DAO forum, mind you).

 

Anyway, here are a few I made...

 

Spoiler

Jagan Aeducan (shorter beard, long moustache heh)

 

Blunchard Aeducan (I was experimenting with a larger lower face and a nose placed much higher in the face- mostly worked)

 

Snark Brosca, v.1 (first attempt at a scruffy, scrappy Duster- similar nose placement to Blunchard- didn't like how nearly basketball-spherical the head looked, nor the earring)

 

Snark Brosca, v.2 (a little better, still trying to make the earring work)

 

Snark Brosca, v.3 (the one I use for my Bioware forum avatar)

 

These ones were part of a sort of jokey series of dwarf types- all coincidentally with Oghren's hairstyle and rocking oversized potato noses- but they're still sorta cool...

 

Frost dwarf (my favorite of the series):

 

Flame dwarf:

 

Aqua dwarf:

 

Swamp dwarf:

[Sifr]

tfw you want to support Gaspard but Bhelen supports Celene. DECISIONS, DECISIONS.

 

Why would Bhelen want to support Gaspard?

 

Here we have a man who claims to believe in honour, yet is fully prepared to have his enemies and relatives assassinated, all to pursue a selfish bid to seize the throne and who's actions sparked off an internal civil war that almost destroyed his nation at the worst possible time?

 

Whereas Gaspard is just a copycat.

 

[Qun00]

But seriously, now. Isn't it hard to choose between Bhelen and Harrowmont as a dwarf noble? You don't want to see that ******* profiting from his betrayal but you also know that Harrowmont is a terrible option for different reasons.

[Tishina]

But seriously, now. Isn't it hard to choose between Bhelen and Harrowmont as a dwarf noble? You don't want to see that ******* profiting from his betrayal but you also know that Harrowmont is a terrible option for different reasons.

Pretty much. I don't actually like Harrowmont from either dwarf origin, honestly, though Bhelen's kind of an easy choice for the DC. Harrowmont set off alarms on my first DN that I couldn't explain, but I ended up siding with him anyway, if reluctantly. Then I replayed the DN origin (didn't know enough about Orzammar the first time through) and realized that it's very likely that Harrowmont was the one to tip off Trian as to what the DN was being sent to do. Only two people knew about it before the DN is told to go to the old thaig who could have told him - Endrin and Harrowmont. I came to the conclusion Harrowmont probably set up the DN noble (who was the popular one of the 3) but Trian told Bhelen what he was going to do and Bhelen got there first. Harrowmont doesn't stand up for the DN in the Assembly and allows the DN to be convicted without defense, against all custom. And just happens to be the only one who heard Endrin tell him to be the next king rather than Bhelen. So even my dwarven nobles would side with Bhelen now. Reluctantly.

 

Edit for vague pronouns...

[Sifr]

But seriously, now. Isn't it hard to choose between Bhelen and Harrowmont as a dwarf noble? You don't want to see that ******* profiting from his betrayal but you also know that Harrowmont is a terrible option for different reasons.

 

While it sucks to pick Bhelen and reward him for his betrayal, I like to imagine that the Dwarf Noble gets a huge degree of satisfaction post-game, being able to issue proclamations and end all their correspondence with the title of;

 

"Warden-Commander Aeducan, Hero of Ferelden and PARAGON of Orzammar."

 

Because you just know that being reminded of that constantly will irritate the Stone out of Bhelen, that he's only a King who's reign might span a couple decades, and not a Living Ancestor who's legacy might last centuries. And worse, it wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for him.

[Krypplingz]

-snip the interesting part-

Harrowmont doesn't stand up for the DN in the Assembly and allows the DN to be convicted without defense, against all custom. And just happens to be the only one who heard Endrin tell him to be the next king rather than Bhelen. So even my dwarven nobles would side with Bhelen now. Reluctantly.

 

Edit for vague pronouns...

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But Harrowmont does try to defend the DN. 

"Some of the lords, especially Harrowmont, are suspicions of Bhelen's instant rise to power. They are rallying, but far too slowly."

"My knighthood will be stripped, my name torn from my family records...but I will be allowed to attempt some sort of life on the surface. Lord Harrowmont moved for a similar exile for you, but Bhelen's supporters overwhelmed him." -Gorim

He doesn't succeed and is somewhat useless, but he does try. Personally I could see the Dwarf noble recognizing that Harrowmont didn't have the teeth nor speed to maintain control over the assembly. 

 

Harrowmont is also the one who gives Gorim permission to tell you that the Grey Wardens are in nearby tunnels, giving you a fighting chance, regardless of what he thinks about you. 

"Lord Harrowmont gave me access to see you so I could tell you this: Duncan and the Grey Wardens are still in the Deep Roads, in tunnels connected to those you are to be left in." -Gorim

 

Still, I do like the idea of Harrowmont tipping Trian off. 

[Tishina]

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But Harrowmont does try to defend the DN. 

"Some of the lords, especially Harrowmont, are suspicions of Bhelen's instant rise to power. They are rallying, but far too slowly."

"My knighthood will be stripped, my name torn from my family records...but I will be allowed to attempt some sort of life on the surface. Lord Harrowmont moved for a similar exile for you, but Bhelen's supporters overwhelmed him." -Gorim

He doesn't succeed and is somewhat useless, but he does try. Personally I could see the Dwarf noble recognizing that Harrowmont didn't have the teeth nor speed to maintain control over the assembly. 

 

Harrowmont is also the one who gives Gorim permission to tell you that the Grey Wardens are in nearby tunnels, giving you a fighting chance, regardless of what he thinks about you. 

"Lord Harrowmont gave me access to see you so I could tell you this: Duncan and the Grey Wardens are still in the Deep Roads, in tunnels connected to those you are to be left in." -Gorim

 

Still, I do like the idea of Harrowmont tipping Trian off. 

Gorrim's source for what happened in the Assembly was...Harrowmont. And you have to accept Harrowmont's word that he actually tried. It's easy to put up a token resistance when you don't want to win a fight. And Harrowmont could have encouraged Endrin to insist on your right to defend yourself in front of the Assembly which you are denied. The king could have overruled the Assembly.

 

I'd come to this conclusion before DA:I launched. How actively Harrowmont played a role is debatable, but my headcannon for my DN wardens is that they believe he was trying to set them up for something and got outplayed by Bhelen.

 

But even if you assume Harrowmont isn't lying, yes, it's clear he's not even vaguely up to the job.

 

edit: And as for the part about the Grey Wardens in the nearby tunnels - you've been neutralized politically, and the Grey Wardens are a death sentence in themselves, which the dwarves actually know.