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I'm sure there's some thread out there where everyone's talking about how awful it is...but y'know, that casual outfit actually looks pretty good on her, not gonna lie. 

[veeia]

I pulled up the concept art they had prior to DA2 and I have to concede that they followed that template closely. If you watch the video again, there's a few seconds where she's on even ground with Varric so she seems closer to his height. I do remember that when they were describing the races, the elves were like these long, lithe runner types and they envisioned the dwarven female as a roller derby girl. I got hung up on that description, expecting a character that could body slam with a vengeance. =p Just gonna roll with what they have. (Pun intended.)

 

 

Thank you for this!

 

Okay she does look a *little* bit fuller than the human/elf, phew. And that casual outfit does look good, I like it! Meeeooow OKAY PUMPED AGAIN. 

 

Edit: Glad her waist is a bit wider/less wonky than the concept art. That's uh, something.  

[Mira]

I pulled up the concept art they had prior to DA2 and I have to concede that they followed that template closely. If you watch the video again, there's a few seconds where she's on even ground with Varric so she seems closer to his height. I do remember that when they were describing the races, the elves were like these long, lithe runner types and they envisioned the dwarven female as a roller derby girl. I got hung up on that description, expecting a character that could body slam with a vengeance. =p Just gonna roll with what they have. (Pun intended.)

 

Maybe it's the distance thing, but she seems to be about a head shorter then Varric. I wish BW showed us a photo on which she stands next to him on even ground.

 

I'm sure there's some thread out there where everyone's talking about how awful it is...but y'know, that casual outfit actually looks pretty good on her, not gonna lie. 

 

True she actually looks decent in the pyjama - way better then female human anyway. Though I wouldn't have minded if they had given us that dress from concept art instead. 

[Tishina]

I'm sure there's some thread out there where everyone's talking about how awful it is...but y'know, that casual outfit actually looks pretty good on her, not gonna lie. 

True, I think it's the skin tone and hair color that makes a difference. Some of the Inquisitors they've created have been a bit ...odd.

[ShadyKat]

I don't like it either, for pretty much the same reason (and because it's so unrealistic for a warrior). I've started to wonder if the change wasn't to make cutscenes easier to deal with multiple races by giving them about the same body width, etc. (qunari women got the same slimming treatment I think).

Just saw some of the new vids posted of female dwarves. And indeed they are way too thin/slim now. Female dwarves should be thicker and far more dense. They are just short human woman now.

[Finnn62]

True she actually looks decent in the pyjama - way better then female human anyway. Though I wouldn't have minded if they had given us that dress from concept art instead.

I would have been far more disappointed with the clothing from concept art, personally (although that dwarven belt would have been nice). The concept art would be okay as an undergarment, imo, but I prefer the pyjamas

 

The current outfit looks nice on the female dwarf. I'd prefer if they'd given us more options, but I'm okay with this. I'm going to play a male dwarf for my first playthrough, but the female dwarf is looking very cute

[Mira]

At 0:26 in the new trailer we can see a female dwarf. Who do you think she is? Inquisitor or Dagna?

[Tishina]

At 0:26 in the new trailer we can see a female dwarf. Who do you think she is? Inquisitor or Dagna?

Pretty sure that's the inquisitor.

[Yinello]

Found a good write up about Casteless here: http://officialvarri...asteless-rights

 

 

I know the Dragon Age Fandom loves to play Oppression Musical Chairs with the mages and the templars, and the city elves and the dalish elves, and argue about which group is the most oppressed. And sometimes someone will even throw in the intersectionality world to show that they care about all the oppressed. But you know what I never see? Posts about dwarves. Posts about the casteless. Not a single, tiny, text post have I ever seen. Funny that. Hilarious when you consider that lots of people like to argue that ‘Bioware hates dwarves’. So far, I don’t see the fandom doing much better. Maybe it’s because the fandom hates dwarves, maybe it’s because the fandom hates the deep roads, maybe it’s because no one likes to play as dwarven wardens.

I don’t know, I’m certainly not the person to be speculating or to be writing this post, I’ve never had a dwarven warden, but since everyone’s forgotten that the casteless even exist here’s a list of casteless fun facts taken from my memory and from combing through the wiki.

• Considered to be “non-people”.
• Looked down upon since the foundation of Orzammar, seen as rejected by the Stone and the Ancestors themselves.
• Irredeemable children of criminals, do not exist in city records.
• Have no rights, raised with no education.
• Not fit to hold a caste, fight for their name in the Provings, bear arms defending Orzammar from darkspawn. A casteless dwarf cannot work as a servant (it would be an insult to the Servant Caste - the lowest in the dwarven hierarchy).
• "They are seen as little better than animals, their faces branded at birth to mark them as the bastard children of the kingdom" - From Stone Halls of the Dwarves by Brother Genitivi.
• Confined to Dust Town, the slums of Orzammar’s abandoned districts. Sigrun, the casteless Legion of the Dead companion in Dragon Age: Awakening considers an alienage to be “rather nice”.
• Secretly considered useful by the Assembly as they provide the “economy with an excess of affordable labor” - From a confidential Assembly directive, regarding proliferation of cartels.
• Intentional systematic lack of social advancement encourages casteless dwarves to enlist in the Legion of the Dead, “the one accepted path to partial redemption”. Dwarves who enlist in the Legion are recorded as dead in the Memories (in the case of casteless dwarves this is the first and only time they will be recorded), their bodies valued as sacrifices given in protection of Orzammar.
• Casteless criminal organisations such as the Carta are seen as threats to Orzammar for providing the casteless with alternatives to joining the Legion and dying with honour.
• In the Ancient Age during Paragon Caridin’s time casteless dwarves, along with criminals, and political enemies were taken by King Valtor and used to create golems for Orzammar’s protection.
• Casteless dwarves were used in an unnamed age by the dwarven overseer of Amgarrak thaig and a Tevinter mage to create a golem made of stitched together flesh and bone (later known as a Harvester) when their requests for iron were denied. Casteless lives considered a worthy sacrifice as “no-one will miss them, and it’s far better for them to die in the service of this great experiment than to continue living their worthless lives” - From Ancient Writings.
• Nadezda, a crippled casteless dwarf had her kneecaps broken by a guard and forced to kneel in filth until the wounds became infected.
• Due to the low birth rate of dwarves and the potential threat of dwarven extinction, the value of a female dwarf is often that of their ability to bear children. A Dwarf Noble female is referred to in their origin by their elder brother Trian Aeducan as “breeding flesh”. A Dwarf Commoner female is told by their mother that she would prostitute the Dwarf Commoner and their half-sister if it were up to her.
• Casteless females who seek to improve their lot in life (a child will take on the caste of its same sex parent) can become Noble Hunters - women who train in seducing nobles and siring children for them.
• Casteless females are groomed to become Noble Hunters by patrons who fund them and use them to secure a position among a higher house for themselves by claiming to be a distant relative.
• In order to increase their attractiveness to those of higher castes Noble Hunters train in elocution, singing, elven poetry, musical instruments, gossip, and partake in cosmetic enhancements such as gold-capped teeth. A successful Noble Hunter can live with a noble house as a concubine for as long as their child lives, however they retain their casteless status, are still treated with scorn by noble females, and likely to be social pariahs.
• Casteless males are unlikely to be pursued by noble females as they will only sire casteless children.
• Surface dwarves are all considered casteless and are not permitted to return to Orzammar.
• Casteless dwarves like Sigrun and Oghren often have low self-esteem and consider themselves worthless and expendable.
• In the case where Bhelen is made King of Orzammar his reforms allow casteless “to take arms against the darkspawn in exchange for new freedoms” permitting the darkspawn line to be pushed back and a few thaigs to be reclaimed. It is not specified in the Origins epilogue what those freedoms are and how these reforms differ from the existing law of permitting casteless to join the Legion of the Dead.

This list is probably incomplete and should be added to, so if anyone who has played the dwarven origins can think of something I’ve missed please feel free.

[Cespar]

The dwarves always tend to get sweep under the rub. I want a flesh out dwarf story that ties into the story like the Templars vs Mages or Dalish elves trying to get their land back. Orzammar was just trying to get someone on the throne, but there wasn't any emotional ties to the dwarves' story. I like Varric and everything, but he doesn't really care for the dwarven people, and Oghern was just a drunk and also didn't care about the well being of the dwarves. Sigrun came a little close, but she was ready to died, because the casteless' life gives you no hope whatsoever. So becoming part of the Legion make sense when you get treated like the dirt. I would like to see a dwarf companion that's actually looking for help to change the society among the dwarves. Because right now they're stubborn, and not working among each other is hurting them as a society. The dwarf companion personal quest could result in mini little quests among the dwarves that ends in them becoming the king/queen or even changing the society a little depending on how your protagonist tackled the choices in the quest.

[Vaseldwa]

Found a good write up about Casteless here: http://officialvarri...asteless-rights

 

It would be nice to be able to bring some of theses things up when we talk to the mages and the Dalish, when they start their speech about being "oppressed"! I mean the Dalish aren't the only ones that lost there lands, but at least they can go where they want for the most part. Also they don't have to worry about darkspawn 24/7. The mages well all things considered it could have been worse imo, not that it wasn't bad.  I mean yea elves are seen as 2nd class citizens but at least there considered to be a citizen (more so then a casteless dwarf anyway). I mean a casteless dwarf cant even be a servant, so they cant earn money to feed their families. I mean I could go on forever, but I think you get the idea. 

[Tishina]

Found a good write up about Casteless here: http://officialvarri...asteless-rights

A few of those points are confused about the caste system, and I've never heard Trian speak that line about noble dwarven women, but it collects a lot of it together. I'm always a little surprised people overlook that origin so much, I thought it was one of the best, and gave you one of the few Wardens who would go into it without looking back.

[Mira]

A few of those points are confused about the caste system, and I've never heard Trian speak that line about noble dwarven women, but it collects a lot of it together. I'm always a little surprised people overlook that origin so much, I thought it was one of the best, and gave you one of the few Wardens who would go into it without looking back.

 

I had that "breeding flesh" part in my playthrough - if I remember correctly Trian says it when you try to be meek and mild and not interested in politics.

 

And I agree with you - Noble Dwarf, City Elf and Noble Human are 3 best origin stories.

[Tishina]

I had that "breeding flesh" part in my playthrough - if I remember correctly Trian says it when you try to be meek and mild and not interested in politics.

 

And I agree with you - Noble Dwarf, City Elf and Noble Human are 3 best origin stories.

Well, that would be why I never heard it, I can't even imagine playing a female dwarf noble as meek and mild.

[Mira]

Well, that would be why I never heard it, I can't even imagine playing a female dwarf noble as meek and mild.

 

It was my first DA:O playthrough - I thought that if I stay out of Trian's way he won't see me as threat and everything will be alright. Silly me

 

Also I had Gorim so being Lady Aeducan was enough for me - I didn't desire a throne for myself.

[Tishina]

It was my first DA:O playthrough - I thought that if I stay out of Trian's way he won't see me as threat and everything will be alright. Silly me

 

Also I had Gorim so being Lady Aeducan was enough for me - I didn't desire a throne for myself.

Oh, mine was gung-ho for the Wardens just to escape the fratricidal politics of Orzammar. She was a bit more concerned with the dwarves' survival long term than political intrigue (which helps explain why she is the only PT in which my warden made the US). She was fond of Gorim. And Alistair. And Zevran, but never wildly attached to any of them either (If I'd been thinking about it, I'd have had her romance Leliana before Alistair just to go for maximum angst at the funeral).

[Gilsa]

I didn't get the impression that Varric didn't care for the other dwarves. He just wasn't born in Orzammar like his brother Bartrand was. He didn't feel sentimentality or reverence for the culture the same way Bartrand did. Varric strikes me as someone who cares about people in general, not specifically race. The dwarves that were from Orzammar (Sigrun, Oghren, etc) were crushed by the attitudes of Orzammar. The few surface dwarves I've seen (Varric, Dworkin, Voldrik) didn't seem to throw a pity party for themselves. (In Awakenings, Dworkin and Voldrik did work to make sure the casteless of Kal-Hirol's got recognized by the Shaperate for their heroic efforts.)

 

We haven't truly had a chance to play as a surface dwarf yet so that's why I'm really looking forward to the Inquisition, to see what the mindset is from above-ground. The Orlesian-Warden was a nice start, but it wasn't deep.

 

[Mira]

Oh, mine was gung-ho for the Wardens just to escape the fratricidal politics of Orzammar. She was a bit more concerned with the dwarves' survival long term than political intrigue (which helps explain why she is the only PT in which my warden made the US). She was fond of Gorim. And Alistair. And Zevran, but never wildly attached to any of them either (If I'd been thinking about it, I'd have had her romance Leliana before Alistair just to go for maximum angst at the funeral).

 

I never stop wonder how totally different characters we can make in DA:O. I hope it will be the same in DA:I.

 

Unfortunately, after discovering that Gorim moved on I was so heartbroken that I wasn't able to finish my DN PT. However, I think U.S. would have been a good ending for her story.

[Mira]

We haven't truly had a chance to play as a surface dwarf yet so that's why I'm really looking forward to the Inquisition, to see what the mindset is from above-ground. The Orlesian-Warden was a nice start, but it wasn't deep.

 

That's why I'm sad we won't play our heroine before the blast thing. I would love to see how normal surfacer's life looks like.

[Keroko]

Found a good write up about Casteless here: http://officialvarri...asteless-rights

*shrug* I don't talk about castless a lot because I made Bhelen king and in doing so made life better for the Castless, expanded Orzammar's borders and pissed off the nobles into the bargain.

Not a paradise ending, but as far as Dragon Age goes, it's one of the best endings around.

[veeia]

I love that post! No one ever seems to want to talk about castless dwarves unless their plight is being used to try to silence people talking about elves.

...I'm also kind of glad about this though, to be honest. I would love more discussion about dwarves, but right now it's such a blissfully drama free topic so there's always a trade off, haha.

[Gilsa]

That's why I'm sad we won't play our heroine before the blast thing. I would love to see how normal surfacer's life looks like.

 

Someone else told me that kind of thing will be filled in as we progress, kind of like having amnesia at the onset because of the blast? Don't quote me on that though. =p

 

And about Gorim, funny story, I was probably one of the few that wasn't heartbroken about him. I thought he was awesome. However, due to it being my first game, I didn't even know where Denerim was, much less that he even said he'd meet me there. I thought that was the last I'd see of him before being catapulted in the Grey Wardens. And then Alistair happened. That rose! We traveled! And then ... Denerim! When I saw Gorim, I was so thrilled and then thought "f***!" Both of my boyfriends were right there. I froze. Pleasepleasepleaseplease nobody say anything. This is so awkward. "Oh, wait, you're married? That's awesome. I'm kinda relieved you moved on with your life despite me screwing it up for you in the first place." I would have felt this big if he reacted to the fact that I replaced him with someone taller.

 

I have nothing, but love for Gorim. I commissioned artwork featuring him and Aeducan back in 2010. Totally worth it: http://payroo.devian...-Time-164444353

[Mira]

Someone else told me that kind of thing will be filled in as we progress, kind of like having amnesia at the onset because of the blast? Don't quote me on that though. =p

 

That would be awesome! I hope you're right.

 

And about Gorim, funny story, I was probably one of the few that wasn't heartbroken about him. I thought he was awesome. However, due to it being my first game, I didn't even know where Denerim was, much less that he even said he'd meet me there. I thought that was the last I'd see of him before being catapulted in the Grey Wardens. And then Alistair happened. That rose! We traveled! And then ... Denerim! When I saw Gorim, I was so thrilled and then thought "f***!" Both of my boyfriends were right there. I froze. Pleasepleasepleaseplease nobody say anything. This is so awkward. "Oh, wait, you're married? That's awesome. I'm kinda relieved you moved on with your life despite me screwing it up for you in the first place." I would have felt this big if he reacted to the fact that I replaced him with someone taller.

 

I have nothing, but love for Gorim. I commissioned artwork featuring him and Aeducan back in 2010. Totally worth it: http://payroo.devian...-Time-164444353

 

Great story! Gorim would probably say "You know, taller doesn't necessarily mean longer"

 

And I love that artwork   I still don't understand why they didn't give us Gorim in DA:O as dwarf gated full time romance for females.

[veeia]

I hope we don't fill in too much of our backstory as we go, because then I won't know the options until I've done a full playthrough. If it's all at the beginning, rad. Otherwise, not really what i'd want. It can work brilliantly, like in KOTOR2, but it feels limiting. Maybe there's a way to make it work though. We will see what they did soon enough.

[Puppy Love]

Great story! Gorim would probably say "You know, taller doesn't necessarily mean longer"

Bah there's such a thing as too long and length isn't everything, girth is important too, the better to hit all the right targets with, and I picture dwarf men to have girth in spades.