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[AutumnWitch]

I will say the only thing I have issues with is releasing Sten. The first few times I played I didn't actually. I only ever did once I found out fun fun he is to have in the party BUT if I am playing my Warden even sort of good, why the hell would I let a huge big guy who filled a whole family for no reason into my party? It would never happen...but because I know that he doesn't go all evil once I let him out I do, But I feel weird about it still.

[Willowhugger]

The upcoming release of Dragon Age Inquisition has caused me to reassess my roleplaying and choices in the past games. This has caused me to become a little undecided on certain choices.

 

So I'm wondering, how do you guys rationalize a good Human Noble doing things such as siding with Bhelen or romancing morrigan or sparing loghain or doing the dark ritual? how about using blood magic to save connor instead of getting the mages to help?

 

Feel free to ask your own questions and to debate answers and opinions

 

1. It helps the common folk while Orzammar is clearly going to perish.

2. She's beautiful, helpful, and clearly been abused her entire life by her mother.

3. Why wouldn't I spare Loghain? Retreat was the right option. Also, Mercy for a once-great hero.

4. To save my life and to help a woman who I befriended.

Decisions even for good people aren't always black and white.

Sometimes, you do what you feel is best in a bad situation.

[Willowhugger]

I will say the only thing I have issues with is releasing Sten. The first few times I played I didn't actually. I only ever did once I found out fun fun he is to have in the party BUT if I am playing my Warden even sort of good, why the hell would I let a huge big guy who filled a whole family for no reason into my party? It would never happen...but because I know that he doesn't go all evil once I let him out I do, But I feel weird about it still.

 

Well, our DPS output was severely hurt and leaving any man to starve to death was a bad thing, let alone get killed by Darkspawn.

He seemed sincere.

So I decided to trust him at his word he intended to die fighting Darkspawn.

[Hero]

Maybe I should detach myself from the character and think more in terms of the story; What do you guys think fits the story and will provide a good setup for DA:I?

[thruaglassdarkly]

Maybe I should detach myself from the character and think more in terms of the story; What do you guys think fits the story and will provide a good setup for DA:I?

 

I wouldn't worry too much about it.  Part of the joy of Bioware games is that most of the decisions are both right and wrong, and that all of them have unintended consequences.  On my playthroughs I try to think about how a character with a particular background would behave in a particular situation.  I. E. my favorite class, elf mage, probably would not sack the circle or murder Conner because it does not make sense given her background or choices.  On the other hand, a human noble raised on Chantry lore and dark folk tales about magic might find both of those options justifiable, perhaps even necessary for defending the lives of the many over the lives of the few.  Just go with your intuition in the moment and let things play out as they may; I doubt you'll be dissatisfied with back-story in terms of DO:I if you do.

 

In short, there's no wrong way to play the game.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Maybe I should detach myself from the character and think more in terms of the story; What do you guys think fits the story and will provide a good setup for DA:I?

Well, having both Alistair and Loghain will probably be cool. Especially if the two find themselves trapped in the same room.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Unless you're a Dwarf Commoner, I can't imagine any goody-two-shoe Warden siding with Bhelen because you have no real knowledge that Bhelen wants to advance the dwarven culture from the old ways since this is the first time you show up in Orzammar and all you see is Bhelens side being violent (by killing the guard at the start) and committing forgery to win the throne. Also all I heard from most dwarves was how Bhelen killed his sibling and screwed his other sibling to the deep roads and not to mention he acts like an ass made me avoid him in my "good guy" playthrough.

 

Also if I was trying to be a "good" person, I would spare Loghain and put Alistair and Anora on the throne because that way it avoids the most amount of bloodshed, makes Eamon and Loghain political sides happy at the same time and means everyone gets to live.

 

Also I imagine a "good" Warden would probably give his own life to stop the blight because he/she is selfless and cares about the people they surround themselves with, even Loghain. Which is also why they would reject the Dark Ritual because Morrigan can be extremely selfish and self-centered at times which clashes with the "good guy" Wardens ideal.

[GrinningRogue]

The only thing that really questionable for me was who to put on Orzamar's Throne. The caste system sucks a lot, so putting Harrowmont is not going to make things better, although he seems to be the better candidate since Bhelen is obviously power hungry. In the end I chose him, because his ideals would benefit Ferelden (more trades), and possibly allow more information exchange (spreads knowledge) since people like Dagna wouldn't get exiled just because they want to learn from the surface. Now I'm just hoping he isn't a complete ass to the commoner when ruling. He has personal connection to a casteless, so I'm hoping it would make him a good king.

 

Another one that is hard, is whether or not I should kill Marjorlaine, Leliana doesn't seem to know what she wants to do with her. It didn't seem right to nudge her into killing her when she doesn't really want to, altho killing her feels totally right. I justified it by thinking Marjorlaine totally deserved it.

 

Dark Ritual was never a question for me. I trust Morrigan. She may hold survival for the fittest view, but she's not a smart evil character. She may be manipulative, but throughout the game she's shown to show her emotions as they are, so I never believed she did that to harm you or the whole world (because it will eventually harm you, and she's not that stupid). Her saying it's what Flemeth intended could just be her, realizing only after she's with you that this is what she could do and its probably why her mother insisted she left with you (she looks genuinely surprised when she was sent away). She probably knows about the ritual (and everything that it entails) before meeting you, but not what it truly is for. Kinda like her realizing she has chekov's gun, instead of deliberately planning to trick you into it.

 

As for who gets Ferelden's Throne, it's always hardened Alistair. Anora is too ambitious for my liking, plus she's not of Theirin line. Hardened Alistair is awesome.

[SgtSteel91]

 

 

As for who gets Ferelden's Throne, it's always hardened Alistair. Anora is too ambitious for my liking, plus she's not of Theirin line. Hardened Alistair is awesome.

 

Is that sole ruler or having them marry?

[SgtSteel91]

Also a rationalization for a Cousland killing Loghain: A Cousland is loyal to their King. Alistair is now King when Loghain surrenders, and since Alistair wants Loghain dead you will be the 'good' vassal who follows his King's orders.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Also a rationalization for a Cousland killing Loghain: A Cousland is loyal to their King. Alistair is now King when Loghain surrenders, and since Alistair wants Loghain dead you will be the 'good' vassal who follows his King's orders.

That assumes the Cousland views Alistair as the rightful king, which you can argue on either way. Bastards really don't seem to be in line for the throne in Ferelden. The only reason he's even being considered is because the only other choice is Anora, whose claim is arguably even more questionable (with the "arguably" only coming in because bastards may or may not count as being the king's son for this purpose) but who can at least back it up with claims to experience.

[GrinningRogue]

Is that sole ruler or having them marry?

Sole ruler. He doesn't have anything against Orlais, so there's a chance for peace and trade relations (beneficial, I think). Anora on the other hand may get a wind of Cailan's letters and... well.... not good.

 

As for Cousland killing Loghain, I don't believe he doesn't know and approve of Highever's fall. Cousland was the most powerful family in Ferelden after the King's, and even though both holds Teyrnr, Bryce was popular and was considered by some to be capable of ruling Ferelden. The Couslands were a significant enough threat, so they were slaughtered. Also, Howe said something along the lines of "fitting that your family's ruin would lead me to the king's ear."  Makes it sound like they planned it, and it makes sense. Eliminate the big threat when its vulnerable and incapacitate the other (Eamon). As bad as it felt (had Anora witnessing it, she felt kinda like you seeing Bryce dying, I imagine), it also felt right.

[Aren]

The only thing that really questionable for me was who to put on Orzamar's Throne. The caste system sucks a lot, so putting Harrowmont is not going to make things better, although he seems to be the better candidate since Bhelen is obviously power hungry. In the end I chose him, because his ideals would benefit Ferelden (more trades), and possibly allow more information exchange (spreads knowledge) since people like Dagna wouldn't get exiled just because they want to learn from the surface. Now I'm just hoping he isn't a complete ass to the commoner when ruling. He has personal connection to a casteless, so I'm hoping it would make him a good king.

 

Another one that is hard, is whether or not I should kill Marjorlaine, Leliana doesn't seem to know what she wants to do with her. It didn't seem right to nudge her into killing her when she doesn't really want to, altho killing her feels totally right. I justified it by thinking Marjorlaine totally deserved it.

 

Dark Ritual was never a question for me. I trust Morrigan. She may hold survival for the fittest view, but she's not a smart evil character. She may be manipulative, but throughout the game she's shown to show her emotions as they are, so I never believed she did that to harm you or the whole world (because it will eventually harm you, and she's not that stupid). Her saying it's what Flemeth intended could just be her, realizing only after she's with you that this is what she could do and its probably why her mother insisted she left with you (she looks genuinely surprised when she was sent away). She probably knows about the ritual (and everything that it entails) before meeting you, but not what it truly is for. Kinda like her realizing she has chekov's gun, instead of deliberately planning to trick you into it.

 

As for who gets Ferelden's Throne, it's always hardened Alistair. Anora is too ambitious for my liking, plus she's not of Theirin line. Hardened Alistair is awesome.

the DR belongs to Flemeth not to morrigan........ and by the way  the morrigan of DAO is still like a stupid teenager, in witch hunt she seem a little different.

[rohanks]

Not so much a 'good guy' for my characters just a female elf.

I struggle at Ostagar. With that quest that you do with the hungry man in the cage (neutered quest description alert). As a race with a legitimate grudge against stinking humes. I should leave him be. I could easily get that thing that he has without listening to his story. But I find his plea so persuasive (great cameo voice actor) - basic dignity - that I give in and speak to the guard. A Dalish Elf wouldn't do that. Not at that point in the game. But I do it. Every time.

I struggle with Return to Ostagar. In that cut scene when we discover Cailan's body. My character looks sad and wistful. However when she met the king she had nothing but disdain for him. And told him so. Now she is sad that he is dead? I have to head canon this as her personal journey and development and exposure to Alistair. That some humes are worthy. Like Alistair and Duncan.

But it still doesn't quite add up.

[HappyApathy553]

In my first playthrough I had a 'good' oriented but still choose Bhelen not because I thought he was better, but because talking to people and listening to the constant smear campaign between the Orzammar town criers had throughly convinced me both were scoundrels and neither would be better then the other so I might as well go for the guy offering the eaiser task of handing out two notes (quite aware they were fake) then having to duke it out in some tournament (this was before I found out I had to go into the Deep Roads to deliver one of the letters). The first time I met Harrowmont was at the very end of the Paragon of Her Kind arc.

 

When Bhelen ordered Harrowmont's execution my first reaction was 'oops'.

 

It was only in subsequent playthroughs did I realize Harrowmont would have gotten my Warden's support if he had had the chance to speak with her at any point, it has always amused me that in this particular canon what killed Harrowmont was his refusal to say hello to a visting stranger (I know he had his reasons but still) more then any sort of moral or political implications, and my own Warden's laziness to pick the easier task.

 

I actually had a fairly gullible and naive warden (pro-chantry mage raised in the tower on a diet of Maker chants and worship and a firm belief in that good can be found in everyone (except blood mages)) choose Bhelen without bothering to question whether the notes were fake or not (also likely jaded/confused by the constant mixed messages from everyone about both candidates) and very much regretted the choice later on, it was actually a pretty fun playthrough though one of the poorest cause she wouldn't accept any rewards and would not stop giving money to beggers and the needy (it was actually funny to be sitting there yelling at my own character to grow a spine while doing this).

 

I find you get more interesting and realistic (and cringe worthy) playthroughs if you try to avoid any sort of metagaming or inexplicable powers of prophecy and go with the flow and have decisons based on your characters current knowledge and emotions, even purposefully giving less then desirable traits like gullibility, naivete, even been somewhat dull to a character rather then having some smoothtalker who has the uncanny and unrealistic ability to talk themselves out of anything or know exactly the right thing to do all the time.

[Eloka]

I think the problem here is that you are looking at these issues through the lens of lawful good, I always play chaotic good characters so these choices are completely rational to me. There is a wide spectrum of good, there is also a bigger picture that must be considered.