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[Steelcan]

what would be proper love in this case?

not treating them like simple cudgels.

 

These were weapons that took immense skill to wield effectively and had different purposes on the battlefield

 

and as mentioned above, mauls =/= warhammers

[MillKill]

I'd love to see polearms for warriors (though I personally prefer halberds to spears) and rapiers for rogues.

[Puppy Love]

not treating them like simple cudgels.

 

These were weapons that took immense skill to wield effectively and had different purposes on the battlefield

 

and as mentioned above, mauls =/= warhammers

 

I'd throw you more support, but I'm currently backing spears politically.  Tell you what though, if you can put in a good argument I might consider warhammers for vice president.

[Puppy Love]

I'd love to see polearms for warriors (though I personally prefer halberds to spears) and rapiers for rogues.

 

I hear you, but single niche weapon verses the single weapon which turned us from prey into predator and never stopped being badass deserves it's props before all other melee weapons in my book.  Especially after all the lack luster representation it has had for so long. 

 

The spear is our savior, all bow and bathe in the splendor of the magnificence of our pointy master!!!

[aTigerslunch]

I ran out of likes, wanted to like some more posts.  Spears are fine, halberds or pole-arms might be a better option for me.   

[Puppy Love]

I ran out of likes, wanted to like some more posts.  Spears are fine, halberds or pole-arms might be a better option for me.   

 

Ok Halbediers, what's your platform?  Tell us, what makes the halberd worthy of inclusion?  Defend your positions.  You've backed a candidate, now defend it.  What... Is....   Your... Platform?  Gives us your candidates credentials.

[Han Shot First]

I support this.

 

 

 

 

I also would like some of what that brown knight's got. 

[aTigerslunch]

I never cared for them. Realisitically speaking they are superb anti cavalry but, me personally.

 

I played the original D&D basic set, had an elf character. He got this pole-arm eventually. The reach it gave was awesome, but its deciding factor was it did have the ability to cast healing spells. It had magical abilities imbued into it. My elf came across a dragon that appeared to been a gold dragon (good), cause it scales gave off golden appearance but turned out to be a brown dragon, evil one. The pole-arm saved my elf's life in that fight. Talking about an elf that solo'd most of his entire career, that pole-arm (halberd specifically) became quite a fantastic weapon. Though after becoming a Grandmaster over swords, the polearm became useless.

 

Granted I am based on a one time deal with halberds for anything I played. Actually it might of been a Guisimare. I spelled it wrong. 

[In Exile]

Pole weapons, in general, are woefully underrepresented in the game industry compared to historical representation. Historically, the idea was to keep the opponent as far away from you as possible. But each pole weapon (spear, halberd, pike, etc, etc, etc) would need its own animation. An overhand axe blow would kinda work for a sword or a mace, but if you've got somebody doing a halberd animation, it would look ridiculous with a spear. Or they just decided that they had enough 2H weapons.

Pole weapons are underrepresented because RPG protagonists are unkillable engines of death. IRL one well placed warhammer blow could have in your chest. Even if you lived, you could very well be crippled.

In game, someone could literally hack away at you for hours provided you have enough health potions or just a boatload of HPs.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Blame star wars, lord of the rings, and anime for that.

 

There's never a magical elven spear or iconic laser polearm, and mostly its "Enchanter sword of blah blah blah". Ninjas, Knights, and Sci fi guys. They always gotta bust out a sword, and never bust out a cool spear.

[Cainhurst Crow]

 
 
 
Lance of Longinus.

Your move, atheists.

Oh, so we doing it this way, are we?

 

Alright then, *cracks neck* lets the games being.

 

Sakabato,from Ruouni Kenshin.

 

Tessaiga, from Inuyasha.

 

Zangetsu, from Bleach.

 

List your next selections, 3 swords for 1 polearm just so we both get a fighting chance here. Doing it to scale and what not.

[Cainhurst Crow]

But you could list an infinite amount of swords for my one spear and your condition would still fail. I won't have these shifting goalposts of yours. 

 

Shifting goalposts are what I do best when wielding Kyōka Suigetsu.

 

"Since when were you under the impression that you could reach any goalposts?"

[aTigerslunch]

ever since I moved them beside Puddikoma. 

 

You did say, never busted out a spear and Puddikoma did bring one up.  Didn't say there needed to be more than one, just that there was one.   

 

But there is tons more swords than other weapons in anime, granted there are other viable ones, just see more swords normally.

[Han Shot First]

I never cared for them. Realisitically speaking they are superb anti cavalry but, me personally.

 

I played the original D&D basic set, had an elf character. He got this pole-arm eventually. The reach it gave was awesome, but its deciding factor was it did have the ability to cast healing spells. It had magical abilities imbued into it. My elf came across a dragon that appeared to been a gold dragon (good), cause it scales gave off golden appearance but turned out to be a brown dragon, evil one. The pole-arm saved my elf's life in that fight. Talking about an elf that solo'd most of his entire career, that pole-arm (halberd specifically) became quite a fantastic weapon. Though after becoming a Grandmaster over swords, the polearm became useless.

 

 

I cried.

 

I haven't been that moved since Zaeed talked about Jessie.

[aTigerslunch]

well, Puppylove asked why I would back a halberd.    That was my only use of one. Military wise, its great against cavalry. Otherwise, I'd stick with swords. First swing and a miss puts the one with a pole-arm at a disadvantage quickly. Of course a spear isn't as quite restrictive on close up fights.

 

 

Even if its sarcastic or not, I ran out of likes.  Like yours Han Shot First

[DarthLaxian]

Yeah same here.  I've held many weapons in my hands and the only one that truly feels natural is a spear and similar polearms.  Is like there's an innate instinctual bond with the weapon after humanity has used it for so long that it's as innate and comfortable as using ones own body.

 

I have a respect for halberds and such as well, but the spear's history is too great to ignore for me.  It feels weird how the weapon that best defines humanities rise and carried us through countless battles is treated as some secondary weapon to weapons many of which were special niche weapons at best.

 

Hm...

 

Strange - I have held all kinds of "primitive" (read as non-firearms) weapons and the only one I felt any kind of bond with is the sword (daggers work, too)...I must say I couldn't use a spear with any kind of efficiency (same for a halberd, war-axe etc.), but a sword? - Yeah, I could use it (not to the degree of a trained fighter, but still - with that I'd at least have a chance...I think spears etc. (at least the long ones) are very unwieldy, same for axes and halberds)

 

Still, I agree with you guys:

 

Making that weapon dissapear when it was there for much of human history is very strange (but: As stated by others - Bioware is not alone in that, spears are seldomly seen in games)

 

So yeah, I would like the option to have them at least

 

greetings LAX

[Pressedcat]

Something that doesn't seem to have been considered so far is that Polearms are large weapons that might cause a few clipping issues when carried round on the character's back (especially if they are created to the same exaggerated scale as the other weapons in DA).

Also, In reality one handed weapons like the long sword, axe or mace were designed as side arms that could be comfortably carried around in day-to-day life, and DA's current two-handed weapons would mostly have been slightly larger versions of these. Polearms were designed as weapons of war and not to be carried around casually. This might go part of the way to explaining the popularity of longs words and their ilk in adventuring games; you wore a long sword all the time for self defence, you only carried a polearm as part of your battledress.

[Storm King]

Spears would make fighting darkspawn considerably easier as well. A good phalanx (that would be the sarissa though I suppose) and boom, finished. But I support the inclusion of a short spear to be used like in 300. I mean, it's not exactly historically accurate but it's cool and that's what counts!

[In Exile]

Blame star wars, lord of the rings, and anime for that.

There's never a magical elven spear or iconic laser polearm, and mostly its "Enchanter sword of blah blah blah". Ninjas, Knights, and Sci fi guys. They always gotta bust out a sword, and never bust out a cool spear.

It's not movies. It's choreography. Watch a Chinese movie and you'll see a lot more pole-arm based martial arts because there's talent in choreography for it.

Media doesn't show real fighting. It shows what basically amounts to a dance.

[Gamemako]

Media doesn't show real fighting. It shows what basically amounts to a dance.

Indeed, and it never has. Portraying swords as slashing weapons is par for the course, even thin-bladed ones that weren't even sharpened on the edges.

[umadcommander]

spears were the way to go in morrowind, until you got trueflame anyway ^^

[In Exile]

Indeed, and it never has. Portraying swords as slashing weapons is par for the course, even thin-bladed ones that weren't even sharpened on the edges.

Bashing isn't very aesthetic. Realistic fighting can only work in a very gritty game and RPGs can't be gritty.

Maybe something like XCOM:EU would work with gritty.

[Lurklen]

I think one of the major problems with spears has always been that they use a move set from that's very different from swords or axes. Of course in reality two-handed swords use a very different move set from axes or hammers, but most people don't recognize that, they just think you swing swords, axes and hammers into the other guy. But spears work in a noticeably different way that most people are aware of and so people would think it would look stupid if they used the same animations. This means devs must create a whole new set of animations for one weapon type. I guess they just don't think it's worth it.