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[Vendetta543]

While I might get some flack for this I have to ask: Why ever since Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age Origins is our player character not allowed to make racist remarks? In Mass Effect 1 you can make an entire speech of pro-human and anti-alien garbage on the Normandy and in Dragon Age: Origins the Dalish Elf at least can make it clear he/she thinks of humans in rather unflattering terms and can make this point clear right up to endgame.

 

Come Dragon Age II however and not a single racist comment from even the most aggressive and depraved of Hawkes no matter what dialogue you pick. This sticks out even more since practically every race at one point makes disparaging remarks about you - CIty Elves, Dalsih Elves, Qunari etc etc. Each of them will call you a derogatory title and not once is Hawke shown being offended by this or being allowed to throw back 'Knife Ear' or 'Hornhead' in response. While I understand the need for it and have no desire to play as a racist nutbag it's somewhat surprising considering I could play as a human hating elf in Origins. Blood Magic as well - Even on Friendship path with Merrill your character always defaults to 'Blood Magic shouldn't be used if possible' and you're not allowed to act like you don't care if it's blood magic or any other magic and at worst you get grudging acceptance. 

 

Will the Inquisition go back to Mass Effect 1 style and allow us to change the character's views on the races and religion? Playing as a Qunari, even one not loyal to the Qun, should by all rights get different responses compared to the human noble who was raised as a devout Andrastian and possibly was meant to join the Templars. That and every other character has their own chips: Even Varric apparently doesn't like Qunari and Cassandra still makes assumptions on Mages. 

[Steelcan]

I assume because they don't want to offend anyone with having a PC that looks like he walked out of a Klan meeting

[Chron0id]

It would really make the game more mature in nature though don't you think?

 

That's what the The Witcher does to great effect!  And I believe it's already present in DA 2 somewhat.  Some of the NPCs call the elves knife-ears.  But I guess it would be a little....different if your PC could spout some of that. 

[Parkimus]

It would really make the game more mature though don't you think?

 

That's what the The Witcher does to great effect!  And I believe it's already present in DA 2 somewhat.  Some of the NPCs call the elves knife-ears.  But I guess it would be a little....different if your PC could spout some of that. 

 

I don't know if I'd call it "mature" necessarily. "Realistic" is perhaps the more accurate word?

[Chron0id]

I don't know if I'd call it "mature" necessarily. "Realistic" is perhaps the more accurate word?

Yeah, maybe that's the better word to use. 

[General TSAR]

I'm also curious as to what extent the PC can insult other races and religions/philosophies. 

[katerinafm]

It's probably because Hawke had a set...er, 'sets' of personalities he could have and being racist wouldn't fit with the personalised story they wanted to tell. In DA2 you're always Hawke, while in DAO you had more freedom due to being able to choose difference races yourself.

[TheJediSaint]

It would be amusing if your PC could hate on their own race.

[TheJediSaint]

lol I'd do it with one of my Dalish Elf play throughs.

You know?  I think that'll be my second play through.  A Dalish Mage who's tired of her own people's crap.

[TheTurtle]

I read somewhere that you could be Dalish and anti-Dalish at the same time which gives me a reason to actually play a Dalish elf.

[TheJediSaint]

I read somewhere that you could be Dalish and anti-Dalish at the same time which gives me a reason to actually play a Dalish elf.

One of my favorite parts of Awakening was convincing Vellanna to stop living in the past.  I think a forward-thinking Dalish would be fun to play.

[Vendetta543]

I assume because they don't want to offend anyone with having a PC that looks like he walked out of a Klan meeting

I don't get this. Why would the PC be so special when everyone hates someone else for their race or circumstances? Tevinters treat people like objects, Fenris demonizes Mages, Varric narcs on Qunari, Arishok considers everyone else bas, Merrill (of all people) calls Feynriel a half-breed, Tallis admits to wanting to gag and bind Anders etc etc. Racism due to upbringing doesn't make you a Klan or a Nazi by default. By that logic all of the Dalish and majority of the NPC's are Klan members. It's just a part of the world of Dragon Age. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I assume because they don't want to offend anyone with having a PC that looks like he walked out of a Klan meeting

 

That's offensive to those who attend Klan meetings!

[raging_monkey]

Closet i ever got to a racist pc was when i choose the sarcastic line romancing merril

[Lil Green Vivi]

Wow really?  I like to think that my evil protags are more creative than needing to resort to racial slurs...  not for me but YMMV.

[Al Foley]

I think the PC could be plenty racist, there was that moment in Lair of the Shadow Broker against the Asari Tela Vasir when she was holding the human hostage, and the moment in Citadel where you could fluster the Asari 'Strategist.'  Or the moment in DA 2 where Sarcastic Hawke says something which results in the Dalish Elf saying 'You...you...Shem!'

[Wolfen09]

i expect there to be a lot of racism in DAI, especially since we are in orlais with a bunch of elves revolting.  As for PC racism, i dont see too terribly much of it happening, people will get butt hurt.  plus political correctness is what is driving this world today....  wish people would just grow some damn skin and ignore it

[ShadowLordXII]

i expect there to be a lot of racism in DAI, especially since we are in orlais with a bunch of elves revolting.  As for PC racism, i dont see too terribly much of it happening, people will get butt hurt.  plus political correctness is what is driving this world today....  wish people would just grow some damn skin and ignore it

 

Don't.

 

The topic's a lot more complicated than something that you can "grow skin and ignore".

 

To answer the OP, the possibility of some racist actions or dialogue from a PC would be interesting. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it gets them punched or attacked. Or if the person that they insult ends up becoming their enemy.

 

Action and Consequence.

[In Exile]

While I might get some flack for this I have to ask: Why ever since Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age Origins is our player character not allowed to make racist remarks? In Mass Effect 1 you can make an entire speech of pro-human and anti-alien garbage on the Normandy and in Dragon Age: Origins the Dalish Elf at least can make it clear he/she thinks of humans in rather unflattering terms and can make this point clear right up to endgame.

Come Dragon Age II however and not a single racist comment from even the most aggressive and depraved of Hawkes no matter what dialogue you pick. This sticks out even more since practically every race at one point makes disparaging remarks about you - CIty Elves, Dalsih Elves, Qunari etc etc. Each of them will call you a derogatory title and not once is Hawke shown being offended by this or being allowed to throw back 'Knife Ear' or 'Hornhead' in response. While I understand the need for it and have no desire to play as a racist nutbag it's somewhat surprising considering I could play as a human hating elf in Origins. Blood Magic as well - Even on Friendship path with Merrill your character always defaults to 'Blood Magic shouldn't be used if possible' and you're not allowed to act like you don't care if it's blood magic or any other magic and at worst you get grudging acceptance.

Will the Inquisition go back to Mass Effect 1 style and allow us to change the character's views on the races and religion? Playing as a Qunari, even one not loyal to the Qun, should by all rights get different responses compared to the human noble who was raised as a devout Andrastian and possibly was meant to join the Templars. That and every other character has their own chips: Even Varric apparently doesn't like Qunari and Cassandra still makes assumptions on Mages.

Hawke can make a great deal of anti-Qunari comments. The only racist options in DAO were elf toward human. Humans did not have any real anti-elf options.

[Medhia_Nox]

@TheJediSaint:  I hate my own race (human race - not some idiotic distinction based on skin tone) in real life - I'd love it for DA:I.

 

@Parkimus:  I actually consider realism more mature than the sexual content that receives the title.  In fact, I find that content to be among the least mature content in games due to the fact that it's usually just poorly written drivel.  

 

I would be more for "ism" in games that deal specifically with the issue moreso than a game centered around bigger problems.  Any group too stupid to not realize the world is collapsing around them should die off in Inquisition - and I'll be happy to assist.  But, if say, I let the mages "die off" in Inquisition - it wouldn't be for mage hate, it would be because they were too myopic to see the bigger picture.  

 

A game centered around Dalish/City elf/Human relations - or a game centered exclusively about Dwarves (please!) would be great for different forms of prejudice.

[SerCambria358]

I dare someone to call my qunari any racial slur 

[Ryzaki]

What really bothers me is we can be anti human as an elf...but anti elf as a human is very limited (which really we should be able to be both).

 

*shrug* I just want consistency. If elf protags can be racist so should everyone else.