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[JasonPogo]

The Turians all have some kind of markings on their face.  Do we know is this like amkeup to show their place in society of something?  Is it actualy part of their face naturaly?

[Willie_on_Wheels]

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Turian

[Monster A-Go Go]

It represents part of their colonial background. For more information, follow the link given above me!

[vhatever]

Metallic "feathers", on a carbon-based lifeform?

Gonna have to wave the BS flag on that one. Simply impossible. I think these mundane writers need to start talking to biologists/chemists before they make some of these ridiculous features on a species.

Modifié par vhatever, 24 janvier 2010 - 12:17 .

[Feio]

Impossible is always a dangerous word to throw around in science, considering how our understanding of how things work has constantly changed over time as we have reached new understandings and had to throw out old 'facts'. Impossible based on our current understanding of biology might be a better fit, since we haven't had a chance to observe how complex life has evolved on more than the very low sample size of just 1 planet.

[vhatever]

Feio wrote...

Impossible is always a dangerous word to throw around in science, considering how our understanding of how things work has constantly changed over time as we have reached new understandings and had to throw out old 'facts'. Impossible based on our current understanding of biology might be a better fit, since we haven't had a chance to observe how complex life has evolved on more than the very low sample size of just 1 planet.

Well, it would easily be possible if it weren't for the two claims : that it "evolved", and that they are carbon based/ There is no way with a carbon based lifeform you could create or substain a chunk of metal growing out of it. It's possible they have some kind of feather like structure and they themselves do something to it to make it more metallic, like treating it with something. But as it is mentioned in there, it violates biology and chemistry, not to mention common sense and Ocham's Razor.

[Chimpeau]

vhatever wrote...

Feio wrote...

Impossible is always a dangerous word to throw around in science, considering how our understanding of how things work has constantly changed over time as we have reached new understandings and had to throw out old 'facts'. Impossible based on our current understanding of biology might be a better fit, since we haven't had a chance to observe how complex life has evolved on more than the very low sample size of just 1 planet.

Well, it would easily be possible if it weren't for the two claims : that it "evolved", and that they are carbon based/ There is no way with a carbon based lifeform you could create or substain a chunk of metal growing out of it. It's possible they have some kind of feather like structure and they themselves do something to it to make it more metallic, like treating it with something. But as it is mentioned in there, it violates biology and chemistry, not to mention common sense and Ocham's Razor.

Why? How would you evolve a resistance to long-term radiation damage. And its more of a sheath over bones than a hunk o' metal, iirc.

[Lil Pink Pwny]

vhatever wrote...

Feio wrote...

Impossible is always a dangerous word to throw around in science, considering how our understanding of how things work has constantly changed over time as we have reached new understandings and had to throw out old 'facts'. Impossible based on our current understanding of biology might be a better fit, since we haven't had a chance to observe how complex life has evolved on more than the very low sample size of just 1 planet.

Well, it would easily be possible if it weren't for the two claims : that it "evolved", and that they are carbon based/ There is no way with a carbon based lifeform you could create or substain a chunk of metal growing out of it. It's possible they have some kind of feather like structure and they themselves do something to it to make it more metallic, like treating it with something. But as it is mentioned in there, it violates biology and chemistry, not to mention common sense and Ocham's Razor.

First of all, maybe the devs should talk to every type of scientist there is because I'm pretty sure element Zero defies everything we understand about modern physics, the variations between species would make it impossible for all of them to coexist in the same environment/atmosphere like on the citadel, and I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as physiological tuning to another species for reproductive purposes like the Asari do. It's a video-game, deal with it. You clearly don't understand the principles of science fiction and space operas if you are complaining about scientific principles in a fictional universe.

Second, you should probably learn how to spell Occam/Ockham's Razor if you're gonna use it in a logic debate. And third, they aren't feathers. It's an exoskeleton. You know, the type of protective shell that millions of species or creatures on our planet ranging from insects to sea-life have. What exactly in biology makes it impossible for a creature to have a thin layer of metallic mineral compounds deposited on the outside of their skin/bones much in the same way many Earth creatures do with various inorganic (silica or calcium based) or organic compounds?

[whiterabbit34]

Yes because all carbon based life in the galaxy would be based on biological processes identical to our own. I assume you subscribe to the star trek theory of alien life where all aliens look human and come from alien worlds that look stunningly similar to southern California?

JK



But in all seriousness, never dismiss such things as impossible, and especially don't say they couldn't have evolved. It is quite easy to picture an evolutionary process that could bring about a metallic skin in an environment containing higher levels of solar radiation than our own. In such a circumstance, any mutation that could provide improved protection against such radiation would quickly be adopted by natural selection. Biological processes that could bring ingested metals to the surface of such a creature's skin are also not hard to imagine. Remember, metals such as iron, sodium, potassium, etc. fulfill important roles in our own biology, and under the right environmental conditions it is not difficult to imagine them to be adapted for other purposes.

[whiterabbit34]

that was directed at vhatever

[Monster A-Go Go]

whiterabbit34 wrote...

that was directed at vhatever

That's Doctor vhatever...PhD Xenobiology, PhD Evolutionary Biology, PhD Biochemistry, Minor in Debate. 

[whiterabbit34]

lol

[Schneidend]

It's not like turians have metallic spikes jutting from their faces (although that would be awesome). Their plating is just composed partially of metals to block out radiation. Kind of like our bones are made of calcium, and thus can't be penetrated by x-rays? Duh?

vhatever's just a know-nothing who pretends to know it all. It's really funny when he tries to tell people to "get with the program."

Modifié par Schneidend, 24 janvier 2010 - 02:22 .

[topekaguy]

Eccentrick79 wrote...

It represents part of their colonial background. For more information, follow the link given above me!

Yeah, their colonial background. And that begs the question of why didnt Saren have one?