you are aware of the fact that of all game developers bioware are one of the most inclusive when it comes to this yes? i have many complaints about how bioware have done things recently but this is not one of them, they wouldnt have 1 less gay option out of spite
So I should always expect less, and be content with less.
Okay, sure.
Edit: But I'm getting ahead of myself. I need to wait for Viv to be confirmed.
So I should always expect less, and be content with less.
Okay, sure.
Edit: But I'm getting ahead of myself. I need to wait for Viv to be confirmed.
dont be ridiculous, the quaility of the writing in these sub-plots should be the thing that matters, not satifying some arbitrary number
Meh, go ahead and belittle all you want. Would you sing the same tune if you always had less options?
In before 'how do you know I'm not gay, too.'
One of these days we'll get our turn. I refuse to give up hope on Bioware in this capacity. If any game developer will do it, it's them.
I think you are right.
I regularly see BioWare getting unintelligently beaten up on gaming forums by vile wastes of space who have an issue with there being any LGBT options in BioWare games, so I tend to avoid those forums and tend to stay here.
BioWare do not deserve being beaten up here on this topic.
I've been trying to figure it out since I joined here what the huge stock put into LI are. Some of the threads are insanely long so i haven't read it all, but I've always wondered why they are such a huge deal. That's not to say I don't use the content. I smashed Morrigan and Ashley every play through....just curious as to the draw and why its such a big deal to so many people.
Meh, go ahead and belittle all you want. Would you sing the same tune if you always had less options?
In before 'how do you know I'm not gay, too.'
i wouldnt care, romances are just sub-plots in a much larger game, in DA2 i romanced no-one because i didnt think a great deal of any of the options available in that capacity
and im not belittling you, im saying you shouldnt be getting ready to raise the pitchforks against one of the few developers that even bothers to do such a thing, if you must complain do so for the right reasons
...the quaility of the writing in these sub-plots should be the thing that matters, not satifying some arbitrary number
And Dorian seems awesome.
He will be my first m/m play-through (admittedly after Sera, Josie and riding the bull (cough) ).
just curious as to the draw and why its such a big deal to so many people.
Because people care. Isn't that enough?
Because people care. Isn't that enough?
No, that part is obvious. I feel like there's something I'm missing or something. It's just something I don't understand the reasoning behind it and there are so many people that there has to be something to it.
If the reason is "I just like the fact I can do it" then fair enough. From what I read and the frequency of it, it seems theres more to it than that though. If not ok...and I don't want to give anyone a hard time or anything....just curious.
dont be ridiculous, the quaility of the writing in these sub-plots should be the thing that matters, not satifying some arbitrary number
Not really if they have 4 Hetero, 2 Gay/Lesbian, 2 Bi/Pan. That is a "satisfying some arbitrary number" if there was something like 3/1/4 that would be not. The same way that there is only three female companions and six males. So it appear they do the "satisfying" when comes to sexuality and romance per gender.
If the reason is "I just like the fact I can do it" then fair enough. From what I read and the frequency of it, it seems theres more to it than that though.
Partly.
Mostly because people genuinely like these characters. It's not uncommon to care about a fictional character, it doesn't have to be a game, it can be a book or a movie. But in the game, you're a part of a story so it's kinda personal. Well, more personal than just reading about someone anyway.
It's just a feeling, it has no logical explanation, and I don't think there should be one, really.
No, that part is obvious. I feel like there's something I'm missing or something. It's just something I don't understand the reasoning behind it and there are so many people that there has to be something to it.
If the reason is "I just like the fact I can do it" then fair enough. From what I read and the frequency of it, it seems theres more to it than that though. If not ok...and I don't want to give anyone a hard time or anything....just curious.
Because, as a bisexual, black (sometimes) woman, I will always support more queer black women in my media.
Partly.
Mostly because people genuinely like these characters. It's not uncommon to care about a fictional character, it doesn't have to be a game, it can be a book or a movie. But in the game, you're a part of a story so it's kinda personal. Well, more personal than just reading about someone anyway.
It's just a feeling, it has no logical explanation, and I don't think there should be one, really.
thank you
Because, as a bisexual, black (sometimes) woman, I will always support more queer black women in my media.
I totally read this as you being black sometimes. And I was really scratching my head until I read your signature.
I have not read all 15 pages of this but.... How can you complain about the LI revealed? Of all the characters they have revealed what like two are not LI? If you can't find something you like this time around you just want to be disappointed.
I'm gay and I'm hopelessly, passionately hoping that Vivienne is available to male inquisitors.
Not really if they have 4 Hetero, 2 Gay/Lesbian, 2 Bi/Pan. That is a "satisfying some arbitrary number" if there was something like 3/1/4 that would be not. The same way that there is only three female companions and six males. So it appear they do the "satisfying" when comes to sexuality and romance per gender.
It's only satisfying some arbitrary number if they set out from the beginning to do so. If they mandated at least 2 options for your sex/sexuality choice and decided to make 2 more from the remaining characters, this second step isn't going to result in satisfying an arbitrary number, even if the first step was. That is to say, If, from the remaining characters the most likely to pursue a romance are unlikely to be bisexual (or more accurately, willing to pursue a relationship with either sex*), they shouldn't change their character to fit a number scheme. IMHO that reduces the entire worth of a character to who they'd be willing to bed, which I believe to be shallow and ridiculous
To expound, if their characterisation process for Solas went "He must be open to both sexes to be fair therefore we have to remove or downplay (or even just despite) the bit about him being impassioned to the cause of Elven survival (since it would be hypocritical for you to pursue a relationship with a male elf, while at the same time turning down a human/dwarf/qunari if you're so gung ho about making elven babies)", I would be pissed.
*There's nothing stopping a person from being bisexual and only pursuing a relationship with a female in the interests of reproduction. Solas could still have been bisexual and force himself only to accept the advances of a female. Furthermore, I can see Vivienne being attracted to all races, but choosing only to pursue a relationship with a human because it would sabotage her life's work etc.
People don't have to like or agree with my questions or my will to expand my horizons, but I want to learn and understand everything that I can. Even if other people think its stupid, small, or look down on me because of my want to learn....thats fine.
I thank those that help me along.
I'm disappointed with the characters so far. They seem like caricatures, obvious attempts at making diversity a viable thing. I understand the need here, but Bioware has never been subtle about this. Characters serve the plot, not the other way around. I don't think they'll ever get this right.
I think you are right.
I regularly see BioWare getting unintelligently beaten up on gaming forums by vile wastes of space who have an issue with there being any LGBT options in BioWare games, so I tend to avoid those forums and tend to stay here.
BioWare do not deserve being beaten up here on this topic.
I absolutely agree, Bioware is doing an amazing job with including LI's, and then going above and beyond by including LI's for the LGBT community. And we repay this by complaining.
I only wish they would confirm the LI's a lot sooner and not leave us hanging all the time.
I'm disappointed with the characters so far. They seem like caricatures, obvious attempts at making diversity a viable thing. I understand the need here, but Bioware has never been subtle about this. Characters serve the plot, not the other way around. I don't think they'll ever get this right.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "obvious attempts at making diversity a viable thing". What do you mean?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "obvious attempts at making diversity a viable thing". What do you mean?
+How is diversity not automatically a viable thing?
To expound, if their characterisation process for Solas went "He must be open to both sexes to be fair therefore we have to remove or downplay (or even just despite) the bit about him being impassioned to the cause of Elven survival (since it would be hypocritical for you to pursue a relationship with a male elf, while at the same time turning down a human/dwarf/qunari if you're so gung ho about making elven babies)", I would be pissed.
Not at all. Morrigan didn't impress me based on previews I saw before playing DAO. Once I played the game, she ended up being my favorite.
I'm disappointed with the characters so far. They seem like caricatures, obvious attempts at making diversity a viable thing. I understand the need here, but Bioware has never been subtle about this. Characters serve the plot, not the other way around. I don't think they'll ever get this right.
It depend, normally good emotional and dramatic books are driven by characters and not the plot. Actually making the plot the driver can lead to the character being secondary and unimportant. For exemple Blizzard games are driven by gameplay mostly, that is why some of their characters are forgotten easily or appear out of no here.
As for the diversity thing meh what makes a good game is not the lack or inclusion of that, it helps making the world feel real that is all.
just thought I would let it be known, Allan confirmed in a separate thread that Gaider's tweet about the last two romance options being the two race gates, was just him stating that he never confirmed or denied that the last 2 were the race gates.
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