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[Crackseed]

It's October 2011 all over again...

 

Here's the difference Iakus - I understand that you have misgivings because we got a bit of a bitter surprise with the ME3 MP/SP shenanigans. I get it. I also appreciate and respect that you may wait to buy the game to see. I have 0 issues with your stance - you've adopted, IMO, a fair point even if I feel like you're being mired "in the past" too much. That IS your choice and I have no right to begrudge you that.

 

But if we compare your stance to the one I quoted, there's a drastic difference. Someone flipping out and pretty much acting like they've been targetted/slapped by Bioware announcing an MP and going all "NO MORE TRUST EVER BECAUSE YOU ANNOUNCED MP!" is just silly. And I do take a bit of umbrage, not because I feel like I need to defend Bioware, but because rather than taking a similar stance to you, they pretty much just went full asshat mode insulting Bioware like they're just out to offend/****** on all the fans.

 

I have enough optimism to believe that Bioware would not repeat the mistake of ME3. More so, if I consider what Bioware has given me over the years, despite the mistakes and flaws, I come away with far more reasons to STILL trust them than to NOT trust them. ME3's MP/SP problem was, frankly, blown out of proportion too given how little extra galactic readiness was needed prior to DLC/the fix to achieve an optimal ending.

 

That, again - is my opinion

[EmperorSahlertz]

Well at least all the MP DLC will be free, still Bioware was clowning by acting like there was not going to MP in the game

They never said there wasn't gonna be MP. Actually from the get go, we KNEW there was gonna be some sort of MP in the game. People were just being willfully blind to the obvious.

[Hobbes]

Greeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaat.

Not exactly happy about it and it seems like a waste of time to me.  Time and resources aren't just pulled out of nowhere.  Even if tehre are seperate teams they still do not come from nowhere and extra focus could have been placed elsewhere and not to mention the fact the single player aspect would have had o work around it somehow...

*throws arms up*

Oh well, at least my expectations of the game have become a little more grounded, I think I need that anyway.

[sharkboy421]

But DA is a Real Time with Pause Strategy game, not a Hack & slash. The Pause & Play Stuff is like 90% of the Combat system. That's how you play the game effectively. Not running around spamming abilities. 

 

This multiplayer just seems to be a Castrated version of the SP's Combat system but with 3 other players. 

 

IMO there is no Draw to this mode, no reason to play it. A worse form of DA:I combat with no Narrative Relevance or reward. Which to me is a waste of time. But if people enjoy it then more power to them.  

I was able to play both games effectively and use the pause feature rarely.  Origins required it more as the tactics menu was not as advanced as it was in DA2 but still, it is very possible to play both games without using the pause feature.

 

I grant you that Origins and 2 were not exactly hack and slash but they could still be played quite well without pausing.  DA2 in particular if you chose to disable auto-attack did feel "hack and slash".  Playing without pausing did mean relying more on the AI (which you set up with tactics) so things may not have always gone like you wanted but you make it through ever battle with little trouble.

 

Mass Effect 3's mp had every power that single player had and never once did it suffer for not having pause.  But if this type of game mode is not your cup of tea then fair enough.

[ElitePinecone]

Can you go into a bit more detail about how much this ties into single player?

Will playing these quests affect the missions you send soldiers on?

 

Here you go:

 

User

Does affect any of the single player story? I.e. Strength of the Inquisition to get better outcomes for ending/or other plots

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Nope. No story impact, aside from themes.

 

 

John Epler ‏@eplerjc 

To clarify, playing MP vs. not playing MP will have no impact on your SP experience.

 

 

Mark Darrah ‏@BioMarkDarrah 

And no, singleplayer content is NOT locked behind MP.

[Malanek]

Won't it get kind of annoying hearing the same banter over and over again, though?

I guess it depends on how much variety there is. There are a lot of different combinations, assuming they say different things to different teammates. I don't think it is a main feature, just a nice little extra.

[ghostzodd]

They never said there wasn't gonna be MP. Actually from the get go, we KNEW there was gonna be some sort of MP in the game. People were just being willfully blind to the obvious.

 

 http://www.pcgamer.c...on-multiplayer/

 

Bioware was clowning, don't act like they were not

[Paul E Dangerously]

Damnit, I knew this was going to happen. I've said my piece in the giant thread, but I'm done with this until I hear actual reviews. No pre-order, no day one purchase, nothing. And keep in mind, I bought DA2 and ME3 sight unseen.

 

People laughed when I said we were getting a gimped SP mode (limited weapon choice, limited armor slots, limited skill slots) because it would fit in perfect with a multiplayer mode. Now see what happens?

[realguile]

Because After ME3 and now this Bioware's word ain't worth squat,Words can't express how angry I am at Bioware for ruining a Franchise by appealing to the lowest of low common denominators by tacking on a MP mode.Well this is the last time I will ever trust Bioware enough to pre order or to get on Day 1, from now on I'm going to wait till their games are at least 50% off since clearly they knew this all along and have bring stringing those of us who hate MP along.

lol

 

Damn dude....wtf? It's OPTIONAL game mode.

 

Wow.

[Kantr]

And there will be more news to come over the next week or so regarding DAMP.

Cheers!

DAMP is a bit of an unfortunate acronym . I wonder if DAIMP is any better..

[EmperorSahlertz]

Greeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaat.

Not exactly happy about it and it seems like a waste of time to me.  Time and resources aren't just pulled out of nowhere.  Even if tehre are seperate teams they still do not come from nowhere and extra focus could have been placed elsewhere and not to mention the fact the single player aspect would have had o work around it somehow...

*throws arms up*

Oh well, at least my expectations of the game have become a little more grounded, I think I need that anyway.

You understand that EA fund this game right? THEY are the ones who allocate resources. If there wasn't gonna be spend 2 million dollars (fictious amount) on MP, does NOT mean that these 2 million dollars would be spent elsewhere on the game. It means that these 2 million dollars wouldn't be allocated to the production of the game AT ALL.

[Crackseed]

Damnit, I knew this was going to happen. I've said my piece in the giant thread, but I'm done with this until I hear actual reviews. No pre-order, no day one purchase, nothing. And keep in mind, I bought DA2 and ME3 sight unseen.

 

People laughed when I said we were getting a gimped SP mode (limited weapon choice, limited armor slots, limited skill slots) because it would fit in perfect with a multiplayer mode. Now see what happens?

 

Well, let's hope you're proven wrong and given a reason to buy it - but I respect your decision to answer with your wallet until you're sure.

[N7 Shadow 90]

Because After ME3 and now this Bioware's word ain't worth squat,Words can't express how angry I am at Bioware for ruining a Franchise by appealing to the lowest of low common denominators by tacking on a MP mode.Well this is the last time I will ever trust Bioware enough to pre order or to get on Day 1, from now on I'm going to wait till their games are at least 50% off since clearly they knew this all along and have bring stringing those of us who hate MP along.

I appreciate that you don't enjoy playing multiplayer in games, but I can't help but ask how exactly you think the announcement changes anything that you've seen so far. From what we've heard, MP does not effect SP in any way, shape or form. So what exactly does this change for you?

 

Edit - In addition, the FAQ says that they were developed alongside each other, and this resulted in improvements from both sections bouncing on to the other. So the MP being developed has made for an arguably better SP. How does this have a negative impact on the SP, in your opinion?

[sharkboy421]

Damnit, I knew this was going to happen. I've said my piece in the giant thread, but I'm done with this until I hear actual reviews. No pre-order, no day one purchase, nothing. And keep in mind, I bought DA2 and ME3 sight unseen.

 

People laughed when I said we were getting a gimped SP mode (limited weapon choice, limited armor slots, limited skill slots) because it would fit in perfect with a multiplayer mode. Now see what happens?

Other then making weapons class restricted where did you see the other items?

[Vegeta 77]

I was concerned about MP but I think my fears have been put to one side.

Yet can some one confirm that I could still get a platinum trophy without doing MP?

Plus do you think it will get to the stage where you could just steam roller the content as I am not a big speaker on line?

Lastly assume this will need ps+ or equivalent?

All the trophies are for the story there are no multiplayer trophies.

[Arkevilex]

 

IGN ‏@IGN

Dragon Age: Inquisition's co-op is all about loot. Here's everything you need to know: http://trib.al/OiovymJ  pic.twitter.com/Nln16YkgW

 

 

 

Dragon Age: Inquisition's Co-op Multiplayer Is All About Loot

 

 

 

 

I've been waiting for this day since I was conceived. 

[ElitePinecone]

Damnit, I knew this was going to happen. I've said my piece in the giant thread, but I'm done with this until I hear actual reviews. No pre-order, no day one purchase, nothing. And keep in mind, I bought DA2 and ME3 sight unseen.

 

People laughed when I said we were getting a gimped SP mode (limited weapon choice, limited armor slots, limited skill slots) because it would fit in perfect with a multiplayer mode. Now see what happens?

 

To quote somebody from the Twitter thread:

 

So wait, let me get this straight - you were willing to buy the game when it had SP. The SP hasn't changed but because there is ALSO MP you won't buy it? 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Damnit, I knew this was going to happen. I've said my piece in the giant thread, but I'm done with this until I hear actual reviews. No pre-order, no day one purchase, nothing. And keep in mind, I bought DA2 and ME3 sight unseen.

 

People laughed when I said we were getting a gimped SP mode (limited weapon choice, limited armor slots, limited skill slots) because it would fit in perfect with a multiplayer mode. Now see what happens?

Wow... Really?... Okay...

 

They "gimp" the different classes in their choice of weaponry to BETTER DEFINE each class. What was the difference between a DW/Archery Rogue and Warrior in DA:O exactly? Oh that is right. NOTHING. They filled the EXACT same role in the team, with the rogue having a few class specific abilities of limited use (lockpicking).

 

When you limit the class you DEFINE the class.

[Kantr]

For those who say that having Multiplayer means that single player has less resources.

 

http://askagamedev.t...takes-away-from

[Mornmagor]

So, nothing is locked out of SP, if i don't touch MP? Not even a single armor pattern for crafting? Or something minimal like that?

 

Kudos, if this proves true.

 

If it doesn't however, it will be the second time.

[EmperorSahlertz]

 http://www.pcgamer.c...on-multiplayer/

 

Bioware was clowning, don't act like they were not

No they weren't? In that article you posted, they were even being COMPLETELY hoenst about being looking into MP options for DA:I, but that they hadn't decided yet on what it would be.

[Hobbes]

You understand that EA fund this game right? THEY are the ones who allocate resources. If there wasn't gonna be spend 2 million dollars (fictious amount) on MP, does NOT mean that these 2 million dollars would be spent elsewhere on the game. It means that these 2 million dollars wouldn't be allocated to the production of the game AT ALL.

OR they might have been, you don't know the intricacies of what they would or wouldn't have done anymore than I.  It's just that what I've seen of the industry, it doesn't always seem to work like that, so it makes me take a step back and wonder what is going on.

[katerinafm]

IMPORTANT QUESTION:

 

During one of the demos we saw missions on the war table that had you send agents, etc that had timers on them. We were told that the time passes even if you don't play the game, but that there are ways to speed up their completion.

 

Are the ways to speed up their completion playing Multiplayer matches with those agents?