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[Paul E Dangerously]

but the masses wont, Bioware doesnt only make games for the 50 people that want 20 years worth of Baldurs Gate 2 expansions

 

Given the reactions of the fanbase after the last three games, who are they making games for?

[In Exile]

BG mp was not an after though. Being able to make a full team of player controlled characters does not make it an after thought.

Being able to create a team of soulless hive mind murder robots to ape IWD was never the design goal of MP in that series, and it was most certainly not a feaute ever intended or supported by Bioware.

Just like how in BG1 you could steal equipment from that Candlekeep tutorial if you exported your character or dual class a level 9/9 thief mage by importing a new character from an old campaign.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Hoo boy, did it. People were expecting something after BG2, and got that campaign. The expansions were good stuff, but that took a while.

NWN was the better game, I think.

But I was pretty disappointed by BG2 after the brilliance that was BG.

[CronoDragoon]

Given the reactions of the fanbase after the last three games, who are they making games for?

Three games?

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Given the reactions of the fanbase after the last three games, who are they making games for?

well i dont know the exact preorder count for DAI but my wild guess will be for those people

[The Elder King]

Three games?

DA2, ME3 and TOR.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Three games?

 

You can take your pick of ME2, DA2, ME3, and TOR. Any arrangement.

[DisturbedJim83]

No one at BioWare is perplexed about the skepticism.  It was literally stated by myself towards those that were flabbergasted by the skepticism why people are skeptical about my (or any other's) claim that SP won't be affected by MP.

 

If you'd prefer, we could say nothing along those lines.  I don't think it'd be very convincing.  The reality is for people that don't feel we learned from that mistake, the only thing that is going to change their mind is seeing it in the game themselves.

Well since I have already paid for the game in full,and its doubtful I would get a full refund on the basis that this is no longer a "Dragon Age Game" because MP has been tacked on as a excuse to add micro transactions and now that the franchise has lost one of its USP's (being one of the few pure SP RPG's left squad based or otherwise)I have no choice but to play the SP and hope Bioware is telling the truth this time about MP not being tied into SP as this was one of 3 games that I invested over $2000 into a high end custom built gaming PC for.(The others being Star Citizen and Witcher 3)

 

If this is a trend going forward,then this will be the last Bioware game that I ever pre order special or collectors editions of, or even order day 1.I can count on 1 hand the number of pure SP RPG franchises on PC that feature Dragons there was 2 and now with this descent into mediocrity that means having to wait till Bethesda can be bothered to make a follow up to Skyrim, as sadly this is the second time that Bioware has taken one of my favorite SP franchises and forever ruined it by tacking on MP (Knights of the Old Republic with SWTOR)

 

While I'll likely play the hell out of DAI SP nothing will ever convince me to even try MP and it has shattered whatever "goodwill" you had built up with me from DAO,DA2 and all the books and comics given that we are now hearing the same tired old rinse/repeat "assurances" that was given both before and after ME3's release does not help at all Alan and neither does the Wait till it comes out"especially to people like me that have already paid in full upfront.. Knowing how SWTOR's F2P model is intentionally nerfed to nickel and dime you into the subscription model it makes me cringe at what Dragon Age will most likely become.

[cronshaw]

please don't mention DE here. please? pretty please? 

 

 

I'm not sure what DE is so I'm not sure I can assent to your request

[ElitePinecone]

I feel like nobody has actually discussed the multiplayer in DA:I for at least 20 pages now.

[Wulfram]

The one time they didn't do a "save the world from an epic threat" story, people moaned for years.

 

This fanbase can't have it both ways. Either you like the sense of epic adventure, or you don't.

 

The fanbase isn't a single hive mind.  It can have it as many ways as it has members.

[KennethAFTopp]

Of course I do, which is why I wonder why they waste resources on features of no gameplay consequence (like animation), when doing so then limits gameplay (by not letting Rogues use blunt weapons).

I'd play these games if they still looked like NWN (BioWare's best game from a gameplay perspective). And they'd probably be better, as a result. They'd certainly be cheaper to make.

So your priorities are very different from BioWare or generally where we see the whole industry is going, that is fair, I do not agree with it, but it is fair. I do not mind a good looking game.

 

But if you want animation removed why not merely prefer those text adventures of old?

 

[dutch_gamer]

Given the reactions of the fanbase after the last three games, who are they making games for?

Not for you it seems. However there are plenty of gamers who do like the direction taken by BioWare. I absolutely don't want just a repackaged DAO. The gameplay in that game bores me to tears.

[leaguer of one]

Actually it does. You can say that all you want, but to thousands of fans that sucked. That is the only scene with Shepard alive at the end of the game. If you don't think thats important that is fine, but quite a lot of people disagree with you.

1. Pre- extended cut Shepard is dead, even in the breathing scene. Why? Because he/she is stuck unconscious bleeding out in a destroyed station in a post galactic dark age with no way anyone can get to them because all tech is gone. Does that 5 second breath scene make things better? Nope.

2.Because of the it's not different then any on the ending. Shepard dies no matter what pre-extended cut.

3. If you could see the scene pre-extended cut with no mp need, it would still be a bad ending to the story. So it makes no difference.

4.The issue should about how bad those ending were, mp did nothing to add to how bad those endings were. Even if a 5 sec scene was cut away for mp only, the ending would still be bad.

[Star fury]

The one time they didn't do a "save the world from an epic threat" story, people moaned for years.

 

This fanbase can't have it both ways. Either you like the sense of epic adventure, or you don't.

No, people legitimately highlighted many flaws not limited to a story, they didn't complain about a story being "non-epic" as you try to portray. Bioware's implementation of DA2 non-epic story was a bit ****, like a mage-templar conflict, where both sides were just plainly retarded.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I haven't played for ages, what rules did they change?

They tweaked a lot of character abilities, adding in some that never existed before (and then realised that intelligent players could really overpower themselves by stacking them, so they nerfed those almost immediately), and they dramatically increased the drop rates of higher category heroes.

But in a competitive game, if I've invested my time building a certain kind of team, and then you change the rules so thay team no longer works (oh, yeah, they removed the Combine feature), you've just undone my work.

[leaguer of one]

But it's not the same thing. DA has romances, but it is nothing like a dating sim. Having tacked on LAN MP using the D&D ruleset is nothing like having real time MP where you control a solo character with action-RPG gameplay.

It's still a feature. You can't detour that. And it was real time in BG 1 AND 2.

[Althix]

I'm not sure what DE is so I'm not sure I can assent to your request

Warframe, and developer of this generic crap is Digital Extremes, DE.

[leaguer of one]

Being able to create a team of soulless hive mind murder robots to ape IWD was never the design goal of MP in that series, and it was most certainly not a feaute ever intended or supported by Bioware.

Just like how in BG1 you could steal equipment from that Candlekeep tutorial if you exported your character or dual class a level 9/9 thief mage by importing a new character from an old campaign.

1. Those are characters controlled by the players with you.

2. You missed the point of mp is to play with other people.

3. It matter not if the game was not made as mp as the goal. The goal is to allow people to play with one another if they want to. Thus making it a feature.

[Sylvius the Mad]

So your priorities are very different from BioWare or generally where we see the whole industry is going, that is fair, I do not agree with it, but it is fair. I do not mind a good looking game.

But if you want animation removed why not merely prefer those text adventures of old?

I don't want animation removed. I just don't want to lose gameplay features to accommodate it.

And I want modern players to know what they've given up in exchange for their non-interactive cutscenes.

[Rogue Roxy]

Derek French ‏@bio_derek 5s

Strange, now that DAI MP is announced that any perceived problem with SP is now blamed on MP.

[KennethAFTopp]

I don't want animation removed. I just don't want to lose gameplay features to accommodate it.

And I want modern players to know what they've given up in exchange for their non-interactive cutscenes.

 

Such as?

[cronshaw]

Warframe, and developer of this generic crap is Digital Extremes, DE.

Ah, well I'm sorry I touched a nerve

I found warframe's gameplay enjoyable but its progression system too mercenary to stomach

[ghostzodd]

Well since I have already paid for the game in full,and its doubtful I would get a full refund on the basis that this is no longer a "Dragon Age Game" because MP has been tacked on as a excuse to add micro transactions and now that the franchise has lost one of its USP's (being one of the few pure SP RPG's left squad based or otherwise)I have no choice but to play the SP and hope Bioware is telling the truth this time about MP not being tied into SP as this was one of 3 games that I invested over $2000 into a high end custom built gaming PC for.(The others being Star Citizen and Witcher 3)

 

If this is a trend going forward,then this will be the last Bioware game that I ever pre order special or collectors editions of, or even order day 1.I can count on 1 hand the number of pure SP RPG franchises on PC that feature Dragons there was 2 and now with this descent into mediocrity that means having to wait till Bethesda can be bothered to make a follow up to Skyrim, as sadly this is the second time that Bioware has taken one of my favorite SP franchises and forever ruined it by tacking on MP (Knights of the Old Republic with SWTOR)

 

While I'll likely play the hell out of DAI SP nothing will ever convince me to even try MP and it has shattered whatever "goodwill" you had built up with me from DAO,DA2 and all the books and comics given that we are now hearing the same tired old rinse/repeat "assurances" that was given both before and after ME3's release does not help at all Alan and neither does the Wait till it comes out"especially to people like me that have already paid in full upfront.. Knowing how SWTOR's F2P model is intentionally nerfed to nickel and dime you into the subscription model it makes me cringe at what Dragon Age will most likely become.

 

 

A 2,000 dollar gaming rig is ultra status, 1,000 would be considered high

[TeamLexana]

Yay! I'm so excited! Maybe when it comes out, I'll finally put down ME3's MP for a good long while, lol. My challenge score is damn near 80k atm! EEK!

 

I'm a little worried about the Diablo-esque comparisons though because I got bored of D3 pretty quickly and don't even plan on buying Reaper of Souls. I'm also worried that when I eventually someday upgrade to a One or a PlayStation 4 that I will be so under-leveled and under-geared that I won't be able to play with my friends. That's part of why Iliked ME3's MP so much, you could level u[ quickly and if you kept buying packs you could get everything there was to get in the game, that's not really true with games like Diablo. Just look at my manifest to see the hours I pour into a game, I put that kind of attention into Diablo for a good chunk of time and the drops were atrocious, but hey, I had 10 different variants of crappy "fart pants" with bad stats on every character, ugh.