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#1751
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Yes it's completly with no reason especially when you think that they "won" when BP destroyed the mexican gulf, that was basically the end for any credibility about this story.

 

Doesn't make EA the Care Bears of companies in the US, either, simply because BP excists.



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A cliche story doesn't automatically mean it's gonna suck

 

This is very much true.


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good question. I still don't think the Xbone population will be as big, as there hasn't seemed to be a system SELLER quite yet for either ps4 or Xbox One. Though the next CoD is Next Gen, as is AC: Unity, so there might be an influx in Multiplayer during this Holiday season.

If I really like the mp aspect I could see myself buying another copy of the game for xbox 360 as well.



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It says 12 characters in the MP trailer. I hope they continue to add specialized classes within mage, warrior, rogue similar to what they did in ME3. Not sure if it could work in DAI but I remember running around as those Cerberus Agents in ME3 and destroying everything with Lash haha.



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It says 12 characters in the MP trailer. I hope they continue to add specialized classes within mage, warrior, rogue similar to what they did in ME3. Not sure if it could work in DAI but I remember running around as those Cerberus Agents in ME3 and destroying everything with Lash haha.


They stated that they plan to release new characters after the game' release.
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They stated that they plan to release new characters after the game' release.

Awesome. Can't wait to see what they come up with. ME3 had some awesome class combos you couldn't play as in SP for obvious reasons. That was the best part about ME3's MP because you would gain access to abilities you would never see otherwise. I hope it's like that in DAI. Seeing as we're agents of the Inquisition...I don't see why we would be confined to mage/warrior/rogue unless it conflicts with the lore. Although, I don't see how that would be an issue because we already see specialized classes in the DA universe just like ME. The core of the class will still be a warrior/rogue/mage.



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If I really like the mp aspect I could see myself buying another copy of the game for xbox 360 as well.

 

The way this multiplayer is set up: it seems it wouldn't be that terrible if the MP population is less on the current gen of consoles compared to the previous gen, especially if you use this forum to recruit people you can merely game with.



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Awesome. Can't wait to see what they come up with. ME3 had some awesome class combos you couldn't play as in SP for obvious reasons. That was the best part about ME3's MP because you would gain access to abilities you would never see otherwise. I hope it's like that in DAI.

 

You get more maps too, eventually. For free.


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I agree with your first paragraph but not the second. Making bad choices that negatively impacts a company which in turn makes workers lose their job is hurting people.

There's no such thing as a perfect manager.

 

Since the CEO selects top management, and it goes on through there, and the shareholders select the CEO, who are we to blame?

 

People who don't manage well lose their jobs as well. Relentlessly lambasting people for their past errors really doesn't serve any purpose.

 

Job displacement is part of the free market. The vast majority of new firms don't survive a decade. Freedom involves risk.

 

*EDIT

 

It probably warrants mentioning that according to economic theory, the job loss there from lost purchases resulted in job creation elsewhere due to additional purchases of competing products.


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Doesn't make EA the Care Bears of companies in the US, either, simply because BP excists.


The fact that a company that makes videogame won this over a company who distroyed an entire ecosystem+the economy of at least a couple of US states speaks volume of the credibility of this "prize".


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You realize of course that whole argument is predicated upon an opinion. You are assuming Shepard is dead. Why would they include a special scene at max galactic readiness only of him breathing, just to kill him right then and there? Shepard is alive if you got that ending, and until ME4 or a dev says otherwise you won't convince me Bioware made the only difference between the second best and best endings be that we get see Shepard's dieing breath. I may be wrong, you may be wrong, neither of us will know until a years from now when ME4 is out (and even then we may not know, depending), but that scene makes it possible that Shepard is alive, which no other scene allows for.

As I said, you can say that scene is pointless all you want, but to thousands of gamers that is the true ending (with Shepard potentially alive).

 

4. It doesn't matter how bad the endings were, one of them was locked behind MP and completely inaccessible to SP only gamers for months. That is the purpose of this discussion, MP affecting SP.

 

Clarification: You don't need to convince me that MP in DA won't affect the SP. The devs said so and I believe them. I will also enjoy the MP (probably) and supertacularly enjoy the SP. I am simply pointing out that you are trying to force your opinion and assumptions on everyone else as though their own were invalid.

1. Pre- extended cut Shepard being dead is no an opinion. He has no way to being able to servive in the long run. His dead, fact. If it's post- extended cut then you can say he's alive.

2. But it being locked did not make the ending worse. Blaming the mp for the issue of the sp is pointless.

 

And there is no need for convicing. ME3 mp effect the sp with it's exports. DAMP has no exports what so ever in the sp. So until it does you have nothing to worry about.



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technically since the Inquisition is a independant faction i assume anyone would be fair game as enemies, especially in MP

 

True, but depending on where the SP story ends up, some factions are going to make more sense as enemies than others.

 

While I think fighting darkspawn would be cool, for example, it doesn't really make sense that the Inquisition would send forces to do that when it's the job of the Wardens.



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I think ME2 made the combat worse. It simplified aiming (it was no longer possible to miss unless you chose to), and violated lore to bring in ammo.

 

That would only be true if you were using an aimbot.

 

Nobody chooses to miss a shot in a twitch based shooter, they just miss it.



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Awesome. Can't wait to see what they come up with. ME3 had some awesome class combos you couldn't play as in SP for obvious reasons. That was the best part about ME3's MP because you would gain access to abilities you would never see otherwise. I hope it's like that in DAI. Seeing as we're agents of the Inquisition...I don't see why we would be confined to mage/warrior/rogue unless it conflicts with the lore. Although, I don't see how that would be an issue because we already see specialized classes in the DA universe just like ME. The core of the class will still be a warrior/rogue/mage.


It seems Arcane warrior is in MP. If it's equipped with a sword and shield and not a staff, it means we might see warriors and rogues with different weapons and styles.
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The way this multiplayer is set up: it seems it wouldn't be that terrible if the MP population is less on the current gen of consoles compared to the previous gen, especially if you use this forum to recruit people you can merely game with.

 

I reckon DA:I will sell more on current-gen than previous-gen, so that shouldn't really be a concern. Early adoption by the core crowd has been unbelievably fast, especially on PS4.



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That would only be true if you were using an aimbot.

 

Nobody chooses to miss a shot in a twitch based shooter, they just miss it.

 

ME2 wasn't twitch based if you used the pause.  Though I don't think people mostly made such extensive use of that ability

 

(Use the pause, Luke!)



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So you are going to play the sp game and ignore the mp game, just like a fair number of othre people.  Excellent have at it, but does the rest of the world have to listen to the repeated forced indignation?

You done the crime now you'll do the time so yes consider this Justice and punishment for giving Bioware/EA the notion of putting MP into a pure SP franchise,anyone who contributed to this outrage is equally as guilty as those who incorporated it.



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You get more maps too, eventually. For free.

 

Sounds exactly like what they did with ME3 which isn't a bad thing at all. MTs aren't evil like people say. I think ME3's system is how MTs should work in all games. It's an optional purchase but you still have all that content available to you. It's just there for people who don't want to take the time to get the items. Nobody gains an advantage with them because the game isn't competitive anyway. The good side of the MTs is you get constant free DLC updates. By doing this is keeps your community together and doesn't segment it up like paid DLC typically does in MP. Smart move by Bioware.



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ME2 wasn't twitch based if you used the pause.

 

(Use the pause, Luke!)

 

If you were pausing for every single shot u took.... x.X



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The more I think on this , the more I hope they do enough to distinguish themselves from ME3MP. I mean are the enemy types going to match ME3MP exactly? Grunt units, Lieutenant Units, Guys with Shield that blocks everything, Sync Kill units ( hopefully not ). Sync kills would be a terrible thing to add to a game were most of the units are melee based.



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If you were pausing for every single shot u took.... x.X

I was.

Why weren't you?

I didn't see why Shepard, an elite marine, should miss a shot just because I didn't aim well.

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1. Pre- extended cut Shepard being dead is no an opinion. He has no way to being able to servive in the long run. His dead, fact. If it's post- extended cut then you can say he's alive.

2. But it being locked did not make the ending worse. Blaming the mp for the issue of the sp is pointless.

 

And there is no need for convicing. ME3 mp effect the sp with it's exports. DAMP has no exports what so ever in the sp. So until it does you have nothing to worry about.

1. Its the same game, he's either dead in both or neither. I saw the ending pre EC, he was alive in my opinion. It certainly isn't a fact that he's dead.

2. I think you are being deliberately obtuse. Being locked didn't make the ending worse, it made SP in general worse, because the best ending was locked. This isn't about the endings, it is about the campaign. The ending to a campaign is one of the most important parts, it is what people remember the longest. For ME3 the 'best' ending, and the only one where Shepard might have lived (again this is an opinion, there are no facts about this, despite you thinking you know best) is locked behind MP. This makes the campaign, as a whole, notably worse, because it ends on a different note than it could have had MP not effected the SP campaign.

 

 

But anyway I doubt the argument about MP killing SP will go away until people have a few days to calm down and recompose themselves. Then maybe we can have some actual conversations with them about why MP isn't going to kill SP.



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Interesting, it seems ME3 launched with 18 character kits and had a few more within a pretty short time period.

 

Maybe DAMP's are relatively more expensive, or more unique? Or just harder to do?



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The mp in me3 was fun for a time 3 weeks then the fun vanished.

I believe that it will happen here as well.

I will try it even if im ambivalent towards it.

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There's no such thing as a perfect manager.

 

Since the CEO selects top management, and it goes on through there, and the shareholders select the CEO, who are we to blame?

 

People who don't manage well lose their jobs as well. Relentlessly lambasting people for their past errors really doesn't serve any purpose.

 

Job displacement is part of the free market. The vast majority of new firms don't survive a decade. Freedom involves risk.

 

*EDIT

 

It probably warrants mentioning that according to economic theory, the job loss there from lost purchases resulted in job creation elsewhere due to additional purchases of competing products.

 

 

Never said there was such thing as a perfect manager, also never said EA was the only company that did it . Also "lambasting companies does serve a purpose" talking with fellow consumers on a companies past business practices, allows people to get an idea where the company is headed and, if we want to continue to do business with them