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[Zjarcal]

That was way more abuseable in Origins. You could build characters that could pretty much never be hit by any melee attack. Personally I think the best way to use attack and defence is an opposed roll that ends up dealing significantly less or more damage depending on the "quality" of the hit. It is a more balanced and less unreliable system and always encourages more investment in the appropriate stats.

 

True dat, full dexterity rogues were practically untouchable, but that could've been fixed with a defense cap like the DA2 one.

 

However I like your idea better. DA2 kinda tried that a tiny bit with the glancing blows, but those eventually didn't matter anymore.

[NextArishok]

No one at BioWare is perplexed about the skepticism.  It was literally stated by myself towards those that were flabbergasted by the skepticism why people are skeptical about my (or any other's) claim that SP won't be affected by MP.

 

If you'd prefer, we could say nothing along those lines.  I don't think it'd be very convincing.  The reality is for people that don't feel we learned from that mistake, the only thing that is going to change their mind is seeing it in the game themselves.

I would hate your job lol.  Do you post all your replies, or as you start getting annoyed and want to go off do you have a sit in

 

I am excited about MP and loved ME3's I can't wait to check this games out.  I understand some of the criticism in the ways MP has been done before....but to be 100% closed minded to it and not even willing to give it an honest chance is pretty closed minded.  Maybe playing it will convert some people...and im sure the addition of MP will bring in a lot of people.

[cronshaw]

It is rather ludicrous that anyone interested in MP and SP should just be forced to buy two games of one particular IP because some gamers can't deal with optional MP. I have the hope that even CDPR will have their next game feature MP, simply so that gamers who hate optional MP have to just learn to deal with it.

 

And yet that is exactly what the person (and others here) I was responding to was suggesting

[Paul E Dangerously]

No one at BioWare is perplexed about the skepticism.  It was literally stated by myself towards those that were flabbergasted by the skepticism why people are skeptical about my (or any other's) claim that SP won't be affected by MP.

 

If you'd prefer, we could say nothing along those lines.  I don't think it'd be very convincing.  The reality is for people that don't feel we learned from that mistake, the only thing that is going to change their mind is seeing it in the game themselves.

 

Really, I can sum up a lot of the reaction pretty easily: It's much easier to lose trust than it is to regain it.

 

Especially in the gaming industry, where misdirection and doublespeak seems to be the norm.

[Iakus]

Sheer nonsense.  In the grand scheme of things that one 3 second clip at the end of the game was way way down the list of valid complaints about ME3.  MP had nothing to do with ending ballyhoo  of the catalyst and choices and such and most of the other foibles of the game, don't try and make it out to be more than what it was.

Maybe your valid lists of complaints.  But while yes ME3 failed on many levels, MP was in fact a contributing factor.

[ElitePinecone]

That's about the worst thing you could have done to introduce multiplayer into a "modern" Bioware game. Not only is it there, but it's actively intrusive on the SP campaign (regardless of the ending, with the 50% War Assets cap), which is already polarizing because of the writing.

 

Isn't it nice that DA:I shows they're capable of learning and improving. 

 

It's not linked to singleplayer in any form, and nothing in the story is locked behind MP.

 

ME3 is an irrelevant topic of conversation.

[Iakus]

Really, I can sum up a lot of the reaction pretty easily: It's much easier to lose trust than it is to regain it.

 

Especially in the gaming industry, where misdirection and doublespeak seems to be the norm.

Thisthisthisthisthisthisthis!!!!!

 

And Bioware is taking a very odd route towards regaining that trust.  Basically they're betting all their remaining marbles on DAI, and doubling down by adding mulltiplayer yet again.

[DisturbedJim83]

I would hate your job lol.  Do you post all your replies, or as you start getting annoyed and want to go off do you have a sit in

 

I am excited about MP and loved ME3's I can't wait to check this games out.  I understand some of the criticism in the ways MP has been done before....but to be 100% closed minded to it and not even willing to give it an honest chance is pretty closed minded.  Maybe playing it will convert some people...and im sure the addition of MP will bring in a lot of people.

After Mass Effect 3 and what they have done to The Old Republic Franchise and now to Dragon Age give me one reason why I or anyone else who does not like MP give Bioware any chances at all ? 

[Iakus]

Isn't it nice that DA:I shows they're capable of learning and improving. 

 

It's not linked to singleplayer in any form, and nothing in the story is locked behind MP.

 

ME3 is an irrelevant topic of conversation.

Everything you just said is yet unproven.

[Allan Schumacher]

That thread is specifically for collecting information - this thread is about multiplayer, so we should discuss multiplayer.

 

Really the people who have been discussing Bioware's older games and something about toys (??) should probably take it somewhere else, as their arguments are both uninteresting and going in circles.

 

This.

[Malanek]

Thisthisthisthisthisthisthis!!!!!

 

And Bioware is taking a very odd route towards regaining that path.  Basically they're betting all their remaining marbles on DAI, and doubling down by adding mulltiplayer yet again.

Do you believe that the majority are actually having trust issues with Bioware because they have added (a free and optional) multiplayer to the game? I just can't see this as anything but an extremely small group.

 

I think we need a poll : Are you pleased, angry or indifferent that multiplayer has been added?

[DisturbedJim83]

Isn't it nice that DA:I shows they're capable of learning and improving. 

 

It's not linked to singleplayer in any form, and nothing in the story is locked behind MP.

 

ME3 is an irrelevant topic of conversation.

On the contrary ME3 is very relevant since they are giving the exact same "assurances" that were given about ME3's MP "not impacting" SP prior and after that whole debacle was public knowledge,they only begrudgingly offered a "fix" when it was evident that their reputation had gone so far south words could not even get you in the ballpark of how far south their rep had gone.Their total cagey attitude about whether MP was or was not in DAI prior to the reveal has not helped.

[ElitePinecone]

I think we need a poll : Are you pleased, angry or indifferent that multiplayer has been added?

 

Relevant:

 

http://forum.bioware...yer/?p=17207064

[Elhanan]

Curious; will Tactics be available in m/p for the possible allowance of one NPC, in order to fill a group (eg; SWTOR)?

[Iakus]

This.

I see four unlocked topics on the front page about multiplayer.

 

Which one are we allowed to express concern in?

[NextArishok]

After Mass Effect 3 and what they have done to The Old Republic Franchise and now to Dragon Age give me one reason why I or anyone else who does not like MP give Bioware any chances at all ? 

I am very interested in talking about this subject so I will be kind of detailed.

 

I'll start with mass effect 3.  I liked Mass Effect 3.  Yes I think some of the writing was....not up to Bioware standard.  I was very disappointed seeing that one of the coolest and most unique draws of the game (to me) really didn't mean much...the decision making from other games.  Such as the game ending decision of Mass Effect 2. and of course the ending of Mass Effect 3, but they did try to add to the ending and I think that deserves respect in its own right.

 

I don't know many people that didn't like the MP offering of Mass Effect 3. (of course the galactic readiness aside)

 

How do you view the game?

 

Never got into the Old Republic franchise personally so I can't speak to that.

 

I'll be the first to admit that DA2 wasn't good.  Playing that game I just sit there head cocked constantly thinking...no....this is NOT dragon age 2...there is no way.  That game screamed EA Rush Job money grab.  I was extremely disappointed in that game and actually stopped following the series up until I made my account here around a month ago when hearing some things about the game (frostbite 3, size, open world, things of that nature)  IMO this game is trying to make up for DA and it seems to me thats its going back to more of a DAO style and giving fans what they were wanting as opposed to carrying on the DA2 style. Speaking to the SP experience. Do you disagree with that? How do you see it?

 

I liked ME3 mp and im very excited to try DA:I's

[Aolbain]

Everything you just said is yet unproven.

 

Unless we assume they are outright lying to us (in which case we can't know anything about the game) the part about SP/MP segregation is confirmed.

[TheodoricFriede]

On the other hand, if you do play multiplayer, you may be treated to seeing some characters from the mode wandering around the Inquisition’s captured keeps

 

A recent Game Informer Article is implying that the only way to get certain NPCs to show up in your Camps is through the Multiplayer.

 

Do these NPCs have dialog?

[Paul E Dangerously]

Unless we assume they are outright lying to us (in which case we can't know anything about the game) the part about SP/MP segregation is confirmed.

 

Except for the entire thing about how combat was developed alongside and in conjunction with MP, which should be worrying.

[ElitePinecone]

Which one are we allowed to express concern in?

 

Expressing concerns and expressing paranoia are rather different things.

 

I believe accepting what someone says at face value should be a minimum precondition to engaging in a civil discussion. At the moment, literally nothing will ease your concerns and your endless repetition is not insightful or productive. 

 

You're welcome to come back and go ballistic on November 19 if it turns out that the developers have been lying through their teeth. I'll be the first person to give you a medal. But until then, nobody can actually discuss the (real, existing) multiplayer because you're so fixated on a fantasy of deception.

[ElitePinecone]

Except for the entire thing about how combat was developed alongside and in conjunction with MP, which should be worrying.

 

Here is the topic for that discussion: http://forum.bioware...eplayer-design/

 

It is not this one.

[Ibn_Shisha]

Another question regarding MP occurred to me yesterday when I got home and watched the IGN video and read the FAQ.

 

1. Are the multiplayer DLCs also going to be part of the timed exclusive (haven't watched today's video yet, but THAT ICON in the bottom left corner of the screen fills me with nauseated, angry concern).

 

ALSO:

 

2. Regarding the Weekend Ops mentioned yesterday, are there going to be DLC-themed weekend ops after each DLC drops, similar to ME3?

 

IF YES TO BOTH:

 

3. Does that mean the rest of us, the non-XBers, are screwed out of those Ops?

[DisturbedJim83]

I see four unlocked topics on the front page about multiplayer.

 

Which one are we allowed to express concern in?

Would you be surprised to learn that the poll thread has been locked it seems we are required to feign love for MP sigh 

[DragonRacer]

That thread is specifically for collecting information - this thread is about multiplayer, so we should discuss multiplayer.
 
Really the people who have been discussing Bioware's older games and something about toys (??) should probably take it somewhere else, as their arguments are both uninteresting and going in circles.

This.

 
Reinforcing this. I would definitely appreciate if my thread remain solely about gathering information and collecting it in one place for everyone rather than turn into yet another pro/con-MP debacle like the other threads (including this one) are. As soon as a DAMP subforum is created, it'll be moved there and once the game comes out and people can really start producing helpful threads containing MP advice and whatnot, then it'll be the ultimate resource for tracking those down all in one place. It's not intended for general discussion or debate.
 
Also, on that related note, the one piece I want to say in here is that I can understand the concept of regaining trust being harder than it is to lose it and that there are a lot who feel burned from ME3... but, seriously, is it really impossible to at least give BioWare a chance at regaining that trust with DAI? By all means, wait on your predorders and check for the reviews if you are wary (that's just being a smart consumer), but I fail to see how all this rage back and forth is good or healthy for anybody on either side of this debate.
 
If BioWare mucks DAI up - in your opinion - and you feel it's due to the MP and you've come to that conclusion after playing it or watching reviews circle the toilet bowl, then that's one thing. But talk about regaining trust confuses me because it seems like a LOT of people are not willing to ever give them that chance again. Period. End of debate. There is nothing to regain, apparently. They are forever pariahs. I find that confusing, to be honest, because if you're posting on their official forum, one might presume you at least have some semblance of faith they can right the course or that you are at least willing to give them a chance again. But that assumption is not matching up with a lot of the vitriol I am currently seeing. 

[In Exile]

Unless we assume they are outright lying to us (in which case we can't know anything about the game) the part about SP/MP segregation is confirmed.

But Bioware has - depending on your POV - either outright lied about features or alternatively spoke in a sufficiently misleading fashion that players weren't feeling informed about what they got.

We can debate whether those were instances of lying ( I don't think it was ) but seeing as players do feel misled, is it surprising they won't put stock in assurances?