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I mean I don't get it. I get the BW might be lying rage (I feel the same a bit) but ignoring the benefits to it even being there for people that want it (much like other content such as romances and alternate races) just baffles me.

 

If you don't want it don't play it. It doesn't even have an effect on SP so...

 

It's there for those who want it and have fun doing it. Much like romances, alternate quests and evil choices ( :D )

 

I'm just so confused.

Those that really must play MP can then install it and let those of us that want nothing to do with this festering boil of a tack on not be forced to install it unless my not wanting this waste of code anywhere near my hard drive harms them in some way,if its as optional as some claim then why is it a mandatory install ?



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It's just thinly veiled pettiness, "even SEEING the button sickens me!" That's all it is, wrapped up in nonsense rationalizations...

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Those who don't like multiplayer should just give it a try.  Maybe you'll enjoy it.  But you'll never know if you don't try it.

Should someone who does not like Justin Bieber's music be told to "give it a try you might like it "?



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Those that really must play MP can then install it and let those of us that want nothing to do with this festering boil of a tack on not be forced to install it unless my not wanting this waste of code anywhere near my hard drive harms them in some way,if its as optional as some claim then why is it a mandatory install ?

 

But that's just causing unnecessary inconvenience for plenty of players when you could just as easily avoid the MP by not clicking on the Multiplayer button.

 

Because it's part of the game files. I mean why waste people's time (particularly when that time can go to fixing bugs and such for both SP and MP) on this when it's something easily done on the player's end?

 

Also festering boil of a tick is...a way of describing it.

 

I'm not a fan of the MP either but it's there. Just don't click the MP button and call it a day. BW already said they're not making them separate and there's plenty of reasons for them not do so. Why waste time and energy about a damn option on the main menu. It just seems so pointless.



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But that's just causing unnecessary inconvenience for plenty of players when you could just as easily avoid the MP by not clicking on the Multiplayer button.

 

Because it's part of the game files. I mean why waste people's time (particularly when that time can go to fixing bugs and such for both SP and MP) on this when it's something easily done on the player's end?

 

Also festering boil of a tick is...a way of describing it.

 

I'm not a fan of the MP either but it's there. Just don't click the MP button and call it a day. BW already said they're not making them separate and there's plenty of reasons for them not do so.

 

You can try and going into the game files once you get it and deleting everything having to do with MP. Doubt the game would work after doing that. But if people truly want nothing to do with MP even looking at the option, I say go for it. No skin off my teeth if you ruin your game and have to re download it.



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It's just thinly veiled pettiness, "even SEEING the button sickens me!" That's all it is, wrapped up in nonsense rationalizations...

Others can play MP if they so desire by installing it optionally if it truly is "optional" Alas I have no desire to have this apparently "optional" MP content forcibly installed on my computer in order to play the SP content that is allegedly the "main focus" of this franchise.



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Should someone who does not like Justin Bieber's music be told to "give it a try you might like it "?

If you've never heard it, then maybe you should give it a try.  You might like it.  Or do you think it would be a reasonable request to have radio stations have an alternate feed for when they play Justin Bieber songs so you don't have to listen to it?



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You can try and going into the game files once you get it and deleting everything having to do with MP. Doubt the game would work after doing that. But if people truly want nothing to do with MP even looking at the option, I say go for it. No skin off my teeth if you ruin your game and have to re download it.

 

But I want nothing to do with MP and...I just don't click on the MP button.

 

I mean...there's absolutely nothing wrong with their being content in a game you don't want to use. Some don't use romances, some don't use crafting, some don't use classes some don't use race.

 

I'm not sure why MP has to be something one's protected from instead of just...not picking the option like everything else in this game that's optional :blink:


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Don't need to be since I make installers for Skyrim,DA2 and Fallout mods in my spare time for people who don't want to use Nexus mod Manager creating a simple executable takes very little time tbh. 

 

Oh, that's not how it actually works in the game industry.

 

You see, in a team the size of Dragon Age, in order to make sure that people are all on task and not doing redundant work, you need producers to keep track of who's working on what. You need team leads to prioritize and assign tasks. And every task, large or small, needs to be prioritized because some are more valuable than others, like fixing a cert-blocking crash bug is higher priority than fixing a small animation hitch that only occurs on a specific quest. So what actually happens is that the task gets entered into the task log, and it gets prioritized. This takes time by the programmer lead and the producer, in order to make sure that it's tasked out to the right programmer - someone who has the bandwidth to take on that task, who knows the installation system, and has the time to do it.

 

Maybe it's easy to do and only takes an hour to write, compile, build, and test.

 

Then it goes into code review, where it has to be looked over by at least two other programmers, one of whom must be a lead. It needs to be checked for correctness, stability, and adherence to coding standard. Let's say it then passes. The code is checked in. And all of the text needs to be translated and localized into all of the different shipping languages - Spanish, Italian, French, German.

 

Now you need to pass through the build system, to make sure that it didn't break anything. Great! The programming part is done, and QA needs to test it in each language, to make sure the localized strings are working right.

 

QA now has to test the installer on every platform the game goes out on. This means a clean install onto PS3, PS4, XBone, X360, and various flavors of PC. It also has to fail gracefully, i.e. what happens when the power is yanked out while it is installing.  What happens when you try to install without enough HDD space.

 

And whenever QA needs to do a full regression (which they will be doing on a daily basis, since they are getting close to certification submission), they need to do this again to make sure it still works.

 

Did I mention that right now, they're a few weeks out from final submission so almost everything is on lockdown? This is getting down to the wire, where nobody is allowed to check in without personal approval from the executive producer, because they are afraid to introduce anything for fear of compromising stability.

 

So yeah, it's not just as easy as writing a damn installer for a skyrim mod. But it's so cute that you think it is.


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If you've never heard it, then maybe you should give it a try.  You might like it.  Or do you think it would be a reasonable request to have radio stations have an alternate feed for when they play Justin Bieber songs so you don't have to listen to it?

 

Well to be fair Justin Bieber is universally hated. (Expected by psychotic teenage girls.)



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Others can play MP if they so desire by installing it optionally if it truly is "optional" Alas I have no desire to have this apparently "optional" MP content forcibly installed on my computer in order to play the SP content that is allegedly the "main focus" of this franchise.

 

Too bad, it's already on the disk, even if it's a separate download. It's the only way the content will work concurrently anyway.

 

You done yet? 



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Others can play MP if they so desire by installing it optionally if it truly is "optional" Alas I have no desire to have this apparently "optional" MP content forcibly installed on my computer in order to play the SP content that is allegedly the "main focus" of this franchise.

 

You're being a bit demanding don't you think?  You're going to be in for a surprise when you grow up and realize life doesn't cater to your every demand.


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Others can play MP if they so desire by installing it optionally if it truly is "optional" Alas I have no desire to have this apparently "optional" MP content forcibly installed on my computer in order to play the SP content that is allegedly the "main focus" of this franchise.


As has been said by everyone, it's a waste of resources and there's zero benefit in doing so.

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I'm not allergic to MP just some of the degenerates that play it, I can count on 1 hand the number of people i have met that are not total douchebags or repeatably yap on about their "prestige level" or some special camo/weapon they got for getting to that prestige level in all the thousands of MP lobbies I have been in over the years, most FPS lobbies are full of campers most Air/Space Combat and racing lobbies are full of Rammers or other "no skillers".given a choice between that and said dev time required to make MP fuctional being allocated to something more useful like bug fixing or additional SP content,MP loses everytime


"If everyone you meet is a douchebag...*"

I've played a ton of ME MP, and it was silent much of the time. People were helpful, polite, and did their best. I was not insulted once, but I have had people new to gold or silver apologize if they died. What I mostly heard was 'thank you' when people were revived.


*"...maybe it's not them."
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Those that really must play MP can then install it and let those of us that want nothing to do with this festering boil of a tack on not be forced to install it unless my not wanting this waste of code anywhere near my hard drive harms them in some way,if its as optional as some claim then why is it a mandatory install ?

 

Tons of games have optional features. Using your logic, should the romances be a separate install as well? How about sidequests? Should each of the races be their own install, for players who aren't planning on playing a certain race?

 

My point is, why is MP being singled out for this treatment? Games nowdays have tons of optional features, but outside of this forum I've never seen any gamer demand that they be made a separate install.


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Well to be fair Justin Bieber is universally hated. (Expected by psychotic teenage girls.)

 

But one would not truly know if they liked Justin Bieber or not without actually listening to him.  The people here hating on multiplayer in a game they have never played are the exact same as people who hate Justin Bieber without hearing him first.  Give it a try.  You may like it.  And if you don't, then at least you know for sure you don't.



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But I want nothing to do with MP and...I just don't click on the MP button.

 

I mean...there's absolutely nothing wrong with their being content in a game you don't want to use. Some don't use romances, some don't use crafting, some don't use classes some don't use race.

 

I'm not sure why MP has to be something one's protected from instead of just...not picking the option like everything else in this game that's optional :blink:

 

I agree. Simply throwing it out there for those who hate the feature more so than I do.



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Why are we talking to this guy? As I said before, were going in circles with an ouroboros.



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Allan just laid the smackdown on the idea in another thread, so I suggest we move on to another topic.

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I agree. Simply throwing it out there for those who hate the feature more so than I do.

 

Oooh. I thought you felt I was one of those people.

 

I don't see getting that worked up about it. That's just...yeah.



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You can try and going into the game files once you get it and deleting everything having to do with MP. Doubt the game would work after doing that. But if people truly want nothing to do with MP even looking at the option, I say go for it. No skin off my teeth if you ruin your game and have to re download it.

Well I'm sure some modder somewhere will manage to remove this waste of code and replace it with something more useful like extra weapons/abilities/2K Textures  and before someone says "but no dev kit= no mods!" funnily enough similar things were said about DA2 and a quick glance at DA2's Nexus Mod Manager page will prove the doubters wrong lol 



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"If everyone you meet is a douchebag...*"

I've played a ton of ME MP, and it was silent much of the time. People were helpful, polite, and did their best. I was not insulted once, but I have had people new to gold or silver apologize if they died. What I mostly heard was 'thank you' when people were revived.


*"...maybe it's not them."

It depends on the lobby,I know from experience playing various multiplayer games that for every lobby that's polite and helpful there's usually one filled with jerks.



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But one would not truly know if they liked Justin Bieber or not without actually listening to him.  The people here hating on multiplayer in a game they have never played are the exact same as people who hate Justin Bieber without hearing him first.  Give it a try.  You may like it.  And if you don't, then at least you know for sure you don't.

 

But I know for a fact I will never like Multiplayer. I would sooner play Ride to Hell: Retribution ( One of the worst games ever made.) Than play a Multiplayer game or a Multiplayer mode. So thus, I'm just gonna pretend it doesn't exist.


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Well I'm sure some modder somewhere will manage to remove this waste of code and replace it with something more useful like extra weapons/abilities/2K Textures  and before someone says "but no dev kit= no mods!" funnily enough similar things were said about DA2 and a quick glance at DA2's Nexus Mod Manager page will prove the doubters wrong lol


Then I encourage some modder to do so, because BioWare isn't going to waste their time with this.

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Well I'm sure some modder somewhere will manage to remove this waste of code and replace it with something more useful like extra weapons/abilities/2K Textures  and before someone says "but no dev kit= no mods!" funnily enough similar things were said about DA2 and a quick glance at DA2's Nexus Mod Manager page will prove the doubters wrong lol 

 

Possibly but I wouldn't hold my breath...I just plan to ignore it. Really not that hard.


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