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[DisturbedJim83]

This is an unreasonable and irrational expectation.

Continuing to argue the point is also somewhat pointless as it's not going to change, so what purpose does it serve?

 

If you consider what looks to be an awesome MP to be a 'festering boil of a tack on', that suggests you are either not reading

the information shared or have such a set opinion that nothing will dissuade you.

 

In which case a rational discussion will never satisfy you. Sadly that only leaves the notion that

if it troubles you so much then you have the choice to buy or not buy the game.

So your argument is " more people on this forum/thread like it then dislike it so you are forbidden from saying anything negative more then once while those that love it are permitted to harp on and on and on about it all day long,from now on only I love MP it is awesome comments will now be permitted" By all means show me a rational explanation that proves MP is "entirely optional" and not  the self evident half baked excuse to introduce Micro Transactions into yet another game.So far the counter argument is "Trust Bioware their not being dishonest with you this time honest please take the weak its not pay2win because buying platinum coins is optional disclaimer".

[pace675]

The characters you play in the mutliplayer are "soldiers" in the inquisition, and that their stories are concurrent to your inquisitor's story, but they have no impact on the single player experience. It is up to four players, basically dungeon crawling Diablo style looking for loot, gold, etc to improve your multiplayer character across the different levels and zones the multiplayer encompasses.

 

Basically no it doesn't impact the single player experience at all.

 

 

The same way that ME3 MP had no effect on single player.....

 

To all that wanted MP happy that you got what you wished for, myself I'd rather have had a nice old fashioned co-op, so this reveal for me is meh at best.

 

EDIT: Read the faq so outlook is looking better. Now the reveal has elevated to mildly pleased.

[Vapaa]

By all means show me a rational explanation that proves MP is "entirely optional"

 

You don't need MP to get any ending, you don't need MP to speed up advisor missions, you don't need MP to gains SP assets, you don't need MP to help SP crafting/resources.

 

This proves MP is entirely optional.

[SofaJockey]

So your argument is " more people on this forum/thread like it then dislike it so you are forbidden from saying anything negative more then once while those that love it are permitted to harp on and on and on about it all day long,from now on only I love MP it is awesome comments will now be permitted" By all means show me a rational explanation that proves MP is "entirely optional" and not  the self evident half baked excuse to introduce Micro Transactions into yet another game.So far the counter argument is "Trust Bioware their not being dishonest with you this time honest please take the weak its not pay2win because buying platinum coins is optional disclaimer".

 

I come to these forums (silly me) to discuss a game series I like, not to p*ss on it from on high and accuse those involved with it to be a bunch of immoral cheats and liars. I have no issue with discussion, what I dislike is having to wade through a sea of insoluble invective every time.

 

I have no issue with negative comments being made, nor discussing them, but reading the same tired and ill-informed arguments,

(evil EA, evil micro transactions, ME3 endings, BioWare are liars, etc) over and over again becomes tiresome.

 

Much of what has passed on this thread is a small number of dogmatic and skeptic positions being hurled at each other (some are doing so civilly, some are not) with many brave souls in-between trying (and largely failing) to debate the matter when actually that discussion will satisfy neither extreme.

 

I think my 'a rational discussion will never satisfy you' point is now sufficiently proved.

Thank you very much.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

So your argument is " more people on this forum/thread like it then dislike it so you are forbidden from saying anything negative more then once while those that love it are permitted to harp on and on and on about it all day long,from now on only I love MP it is awesome comments will now be permitted" By all means show me a rational explanation that proves MP is "entirely optional" and not  the self evident half baked excuse to introduce Micro Transactions into yet another game.So far the counter argument is "Trust Bioware their not being dishonest with you this time honest please take the weak its not pay2win because buying platinum coins is optional disclaimer".

A rational explanation that proves MP is optional.....hmmm....how about because everything in life, from breathing to taxes, is optional, there are various consequences of not doing it but its still optional

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Id make another comment on how MP is separate & optional but is pointless really since the people who are very anti-MP have already made up their mind that Inquisition suddenly sucks & that BW employees are all lying when they say it doesn't affect SP over & over again

[earl of the north]

I've no interest personally in the MP, but I'm glad to see that it has be included as a separate option for those fans who really wanted MP since it will have no impact on my SP experience.  I'm surprised that the loot isn't transferable to the single player as that would probably have tempted me in to playing a few MP games despite my lack of interest.

[wicked cool]

Questions-

Can games be saved

Can characters be saved

Will these characters be in game as npcs or will we only see them in multiplayer

[Jirec]

One thing that got me thinking, while I was playing ME3 MP now with a few friends, for the glory of it! I was wondering if we'll get an ingame chat for PC this time, kinda bugged me a bit that I couldn't chat ingame in ME3...

 

Sure you can use Origin's chat (or even Steam's chat if your run Origin through it, like we do lol), but when there's randoms in the game, I'd sure like communicate with em, without being required to have a headphone with mic.

 

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to this! Always fun to spin around some coop with fellow friends in a world/lore you absolutely love!

[Deflagratio]

Questions-

Can games be saved

Can characters be saved

Will these characters be in game as npcs or will we only see them in multiplayer

 

Like, mid-play game save during a match? I doubt it, highly. Your progress is probably auto-saved through syncing to the server though, but you won't be able to re-load a half-finished level. The sync probably just saves any treasure, items and experience you acquired.

 

As above, I'm assuming characters are saved through an auto-sync process with EA servers. These are probably the Server-side processes that Derek French was alluding to in another thread, because while there are no dedicated DA:I Multiplayer servers, there are EA-side processes that happen.

 

Finally, the GI article seemed to hint that yes these characters/agents will be present in the single player as background/minor characters. Where as the Inquisitor and his/her party are the High Command/Personal Guard, these NPC's seem to be the Special Forces.

[Gtacatalina]

MP, Co-Ops not my thing. Oh well, good for those who want it.

 

I only hope they've learnt from ME3 where the MP did affect the SP EMS before EC.

 

 

 

[Sylvius the Mad]

This sounds like a generalized concern that would have existed regardless of multiplayer's inclusion.

It is.

Many of our concerns could be assuaged (or confirmed) by showing us the KBM UI. But I don't see who benefits from the uncertainty arising from this secrecy.

If you guys want to turn this into an action game, that's fine, but tell us that.

You told me quite some time ago that I wouldn't like Inquisition and I should maybe find a different game. Is this why?

[DisturbedJim83]

You don't need MP to get any ending, you don't need MP to speed up advisor missions, you don't need MP to gains SP assets, you don't need MP to help SP crafting/resources.

 

This proves MP is entirely optional.

Cough ME3 pre EC Fix Cough sure tell that to GTA V Online players thats the Shark Cards are "Entirely Optional" when mission payouts are deliberately nerfed and the prices of vehicle and weapons included in the "free" dlc are inflated so that you either have to grind to earn them via gameplay or nudge nudge wink wink buy the "optional" shark cards and get them sooner and EA giving you something for totally utterly free ? please don't make me laugh.

 

Don't you find it the least bit skeptical and sketchy this if this platinum currency really is "optional" why did they bother including it in the 1st place,do you really think that its for the players benefit ? They would bother having the expenditure of setting it up unless they thought it was extremely profitable.

I have no objections to a MP if it is done with respect to the player base which this isn't they cant even be bothered to issue something other then the generic "if you can earn it in game its not evil Micro Transactions trust Us"

 

If its a case that charging $60 for the base game is not enough to give them the profit margin they would like then increase the base price to $70 or whatever and not put Micro Transactions in the game instead of this thinly veiled pretense that its for the players benefit, its a step around rather then ask you politely to pay more upfront they sneak it in by the back door. 

[bugeyed alien xx]

Thanks BW for the DAMP option ,still having crazy explosive laughs from your ME3 MP.

[ElitePinecone]

Will these characters be in game as npcs or will we only see them in multiplayer

 

You can't save games no, because it happens in real time. If you quit the game, the match just continues without you.

 

You can save characters and level them up, just like ME3.

 

It's been suggested that some MP characters will be present as random Inquisition soldiers wandering around keeps that are captured by the Inquisitor.

[PillarBiter]

I heard 'platinum coins' and spend end of dungeon coins on 'packs' and I was done.

 

I liked the Me3 multiplayer, but I never EVER got any weapons I wanted, and all I could do was grind or pay. That pissed me off way too much and I quit it, which was sad for me, but I' not going to play something that frustrates me.

 

So I'll probably try it, and then cop out once I see my horrible luck fails again to get me something I need, and there's no way for me to 'achieve' it through anything other than luck.

[shinyfirefly]

I heard 'platinum coins' and spend end of dungeon coins on 'packs' and I was done.
 
I liked the Me3 multiplayer, but I never EVER got any weapons I wanted, and all I could do was grind or pay. That pissed me off way too much and I quit it, which was sad for me, but I' not going to play something that frustrates me.
 
So I'll probably try it, and then cop out once I see my horrible luck fails again to get me something I need, and there's no way for me to 'achieve' it through anything other than luck.

The difference is that DAMP has crafting. If you get a weapon you don't want, then you can break it down into raw materials to create a weapon you DO want.

[Sylvius the Mad]

The difference is that DAMP has crafting. If you get a weapon you don't want, then you can break it down into raw materials to create a weapon you DO want.

That part actually sounds fun; I just wish I could earn the materials with bots rather than other players.

[wicked cool]

How about split screen coop for console users ?

[shinyfirefly]

That part actually sounds fun; I just wish I could earn the materials with bots rather than other players.

Me, too. I understand why Bioware would feel that bots defeat the purpose of multiplayer, but I'd love it as an option. Multiplayer is great when you only have 30 minutes to play or you want to try out a new class without the time commitment of a full playthrough, but there are also times I'd rather not have the stress of real people depending on me to not screw up.

[Vapaa]

Cough ME3 pre EC Fix Cough sure tell that to GTA V Online players thats the Shark Cards are "Entirely Optional" when mission payouts are deliberately nerfed and the prices of vehicle and weapons included in the "free" dlc are inflated so that you either have to grind to earn them via gameplay or nudge nudge wink wink buy the "optional" shark cards and get them sooner and EA giving you something for totally utterly free ? please don't make me laugh.

 

Just look at ME3, it has micro-transactions, yet you can get EVERYTHING without paying.

 

 

Don't you find it the least bit skeptical and sketchy this if this platinum currency really is "optional" why did they bother including it in the 1st place,do you really think that its for the players benefit ? They would bother having the expenditure of setting it up unless they thought it was extremely profitable.

I have no objections to a MP if it is done with respect to the player base which this isn't they cant even be bothered to issue something other then the generic "if you can earn it in game its not evil Micro Transactions trust Us"

 

For the same reason you can but Reinforcements packs in ME3 with Bioware points.

 

 

 

If its a case that charging $60 for the base game is not enough to give them the profit margin they would like then increase the base price to $70 or whatever and not put Micro Transactions in the game instead of this thinly veiled pretense that its for the players benefit, its a step around rather then ask you politely to pay more upfront they sneak it in by the back door. 

 

Microtransactions are what pay for the free DLCs, I don't see how a $10 higher price tag would pay for 2 years of support and content updates, especially since the initial price tag is bound to decrease.

 

I'd rather have microtransactions à la ME3 rather than paid DLCs

[DisturbedJim83]

The difference is that DAMP has crafting. If you get a weapon you don't want, then you can break it down into raw materials to create a weapon you DO want.

And guess how you get the materials you want........with material booster packs that you can buy with the "optional" platinum coins and here comes the disclaimer " don't work though Thedites ! the Platinum coins are entirely optional(see terms and conditions we reserve the right to............) are you ready to DAMP!" 

Its the same old con EA and others roll out time and again and it saddens me to see people falling for this nonsense more then it angers me that MP is included.

 

Remove the Micro Transactions if this is a true Co-Op,otherwise its just a sham pretending to be Co-Op. 

[Vapaa]

I heard 'platinum coins' and spend end of dungeon coins on 'packs' and I was done.

 

I liked the Me3 multiplayer, but I never EVER got any weapons I wanted, and all I could do was grind or pay. That pissed me off way too much and I quit it, which was sad for me, but I' not going to play something that frustrates me.

 

So I'll probably try it, and then cop out once I see my horrible luck fails again to get me something I need, and there's no way for me to 'achieve' it through anything other than luck.

 

But this time you can salvage unwanted equipement and craft things you actually want, no more useless Collector rifle X lying around.

[Vapaa]

And guess how you get the materials you want........with material booster packs that you can buy with the "optional" platinum coins and here comes the disclaimer " don't work though Thedites ! the Platinum coins are entirely optional(see terms and conditions we reserve the right to............) are you ready to DAMP!"

 

Or you can buy them with the in-game gold currency...you can even loot equipement and salvage the materials for something else.

[Beerfish]

But this time you can salvage unwanted equipement and craft things you actually want, no more useless Collector rifle X lying around.

Collector rifle is not a bad weapon, Explosive ammo or Cryo Ammoiv on the other hand....