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[SerCambria358]

Stating facts is not insulting.
Unfounded accusations are insulting.

I think you have it mixed up, you calling the ME3 MP "crap" is stating an opinion not facts and can also be taken as an insult.

 

I made a fair assumption in calling you ignorant because you showed that you did not know what the game mode would consist of when you said it was just a horde mode (the article and video clearly shows that you will not be staying in one place to kill waves of enemies) whether you took that as an insult is entirely up to you.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Does this mean that diablo is just a horde mode with a story attached?

 

Dragon age origins as well. You go to places, stay there and kill baddies, loot, and move on.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

Well I am not a multiplayer person, if I wanted to play multiplayer I would buy a sports game or something, when its an RPG I am only interested in the single player cause....thats what I do lol I'm an RPG gamer I sit in front of a tv and I play the game alone. Happy for the people that wanted it and happy it won't mess with SP at all but I really hope this wasn't their BIG ANNOUNCEMENT, I was looking forward to Pax Prime.  

[Beerfish]

Stating facts is not insulting.
Unfounded accusations are insulting.

Well you are totally not worth having a convo with.  You are exactly the type of person I outlined in my previous post.  State an opinion as fact in a very derogatory way.  Check, have someone challenge you on your comment. check.  Whine like a Quarian with a tummy ache and call the responder rude and insulting..check.  Claim your previous comments were fine because they are 'fact' check.  Zero credibility on the topic, apparent even to most people who are not mp fans I'm sure.

[TheChris92]

Yes... From a media standpoint, that is EXACTLY what it means. Just because it doesn't live up to your "refiend tastes" doesn't mean it was NOT good. It just means it wasn't for you. However, if the majority of the players had a good time playing it, then it WAS a good piece of entertainment.

Quantity doesn't really determine quality -- That's like saying, because a game got a bunch of excellent reviews from a wide variety of reviewers then it must be quality. You kinda pointed it out yourself there though. Some things aren't exactly as entertaining for some people, as it is for others, and given there that we are all so very different from each other, and there's no consensus universal agreement between all of humanity -- in regards to a subjective standpoint in entertainment, music, ideals or religion, then I don't think it's ever fair to say that something is good because a lot of people liked it.

It's important to remember that even the most hated, or disrespected franchise, breakfast cereal, car or what have you, will have a following that agree it is excellent. It's all about herding together with people who thing or like the same things we do. It's a natural thing, just as well as it is trying to understand why some people think otherwise or provide opinions to the contrary at least. That is to say, come to terms with why they think that and not try to prove them wrong. Because that's essentially a futile effort brought upon many 'internet arguments'.

 

But that's really all I wanted to point out.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Well I am not a multiplayer person, if I wanted to play multiplayer I would buy a sports game or something, when its an RPG I am only interested in the single player cause....thats what I do lol I'm an RPG gamer I sit in front of a tv and I play the game alone. Happy for the people that wanted it and happy it won't mess with SP at all but I really hope this wasn't their BIG ANNOUNCEMENT, I was looking forward to Pax Prime.  
 

 

You know just because you don't have an interest doesn't make it not big news. I could give a crap about romances for example, but them announcing romance based content was apparently the biggest news of inquisition all year if you went by these forums.
 

Just to give an example how something one person could care less about can be big news to another.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Quantity doesn't really determine quality -- That's like saying, because a game got a bunch of excellent reviews from a wide variety of reviewers then it must be quality. You kinda pointed it out yourself there though. Some things aren't exactly as entertaining for some people, as it is for others, and given there that we are all so very different from each other, and there's no consensus universal agreement between all of humanity -- in regards to a subjective standpoint in entertainment, music, ideals or religion, then I don't think it's ever fair to say that something is good because a lot of people liked it.

It's important to remember that even the most hated, or disrespected franchise, breakfast cereal, car or what have you, will have a following that agree it is excellent. It's all about herding together with people who thing or like the same things we do. It's a natural thing, just as well as it is trying to understand why some people think otherwise or provide opinions to the contrary at least. That is to say, come to terms with why they think that and not try to prove them wrong. Because that's essentially a futile effort brought upon many 'internet arguments'.

 

But that's really all I wanted to point out.

Generally quantity doesn't. But in the case of media, quantity is the base indicator of quality. If a hundred million people are willing to pay for AND gives positive reviews for it, then it means that it was a good piece of media entertainment. The majority of reviews and feedback of the ME3 MP was positive. It WAS a solid multiplayer experience, even if some people felt it detracted from the main game.

[Lexxbomb]

NOT HAPPY. This was the one thing I didn't want in Dragon Age

[TheChris92]

Generally quantity doesn't. But in the case of media, quantity is the base indicator of quality. If a hundred million people are willing to pay for AND gives positive reviews for it, then it means that it was a good piece of media entertainment. The majority of reviews and feedback of the ME3 MP was positive. It WAS a solid multiplayer experience, even if some people felt it detracted from the main game.

Twilight is a major success in terms of box office, book sales and its writing is solid, according to a lot of people spread around the globe -- Does that mean that Twilight is an incredible tale of deep and complex romance though? You can't really form a consensus universal opinion to something so versatile as entertainment or art, heck not even music.

 

I'd like to point out also that I've witnessed a lot of people, being unable to put faith into gaming websites, due to the reather seemingly publisher-spoon-feeding disposition they have (see the Jeff Gurtsman incident with Kane & Lynch) or because they resort to "numbers" when trying to review a game. I know a lot of people, like myself, who does not believe a complex opinion can be summed up nummerically. That too can relate to the discussion of how reviews sometimes are quite skewered to a point where it's hard to tell if someone liked it or not, or if it was excellent, decent or whatever, because numbers cannot determine weave itself around all the factors. There's too much to cover for that to happen, I'd say.

[SirGladiator]

I'm surprised to hear (and hoping they got it wrong) that the MP is 100% pointless, that the point of playing is to gain 'loot', but that you aren't allowed to actually 'use' any of the loot in the main game.  That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  It's like having quests in the SP that give no rewards whatsoever, no exp, no gold, no items, nothing.  It's such a bizarre concept I can't imagine who thought of it, hopefully no one.  I hope they state at some point that there will indeed be something to be gained from playing MP, like there was in ME3.   Whether it's gold, items, soldiers for the Inquisition, whatever, there has to be 'some' point to playing MP.  If it's pointless, I can't imagine where the motivation to actually play it would come from.

[Jorina Leto]

I'm surprised to hear (and hoping they got it wrong) that the MP is 100% pointless, that the point of playing is to gain 'loot', but that you aren't allowed to actually 'use' any of the loot in the main game.  That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  It's like having quests in the SP that give no rewards whatsoever, no exp, no gold, no items, nothing.  It's such a bizarre concept I can't imagine who thought of it, hopefully no one.  I hope they state at some point that there will indeed be something to be gained from playing MP, like there was in ME3.   Whether it's gold, items, soldiers for the Inquisition, whatever, there has to be 'some' point to playing MP.  If it's pointless, I can't imagine where the motivation to actually play it would come from.

What you're wanting would be even worse than the Galactic Readiness Debacle.

[Aimi]

If it's pointless, I can't imagine where the motivation to actually play it would come from.

I imagine it's from people who want to have fun.

[JeffZero]

People rationalize what they want in order to make sense of the crazy world. For some people its easier to accept that ME3 was intentionally made bad so that good ending dlc could be sold and a big old conspiracy made about it. For others they think the game was bad intentionally, but because the people working on it wanted to torch the franchise and run, and then stayed around because reasons. And then you have these guys who think ME3 was bad because the multiplayer component brought a pox upon their houses.

I think ME3 was bad because the writing was bad, and there weren't enough checks in place for people to say that the ideas weren't good, because everyone was working too closely on the same wavelength.

About the only thing multiplayer did was keep the mass effect franchise alive during the year and a half of crap hurled its way.

And for others still, ME3 was really good.

[Ibn_Shisha]

I'm surprised to hear (and hoping they got it wrong) that the MP is 100% pointless, that the point of playing is to gain 'loot', but that you aren't allowed to actually 'use' any of the loot in the main game.  That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  It's like having quests in the SP that give no rewards whatsoever, no exp, no gold, no items, nothing.  It's such a bizarre concept I can't imagine who thought of it, hopefully no one.  I hope they state at some point that there will indeed be something to be gained from playing MP, like there was in ME3.   Whether it's gold, items, soldiers for the Inquisition, whatever, there has to be 'some' point to playing MP.  If it's pointless, I can't imagine where the motivation to actually play it would come from.

 

What you're wanting would be even worse than the Galactic Readiness Debacle.

Indeed.

 

I'll probably give MP a spin, as I did enjoy ME3s while I waited for EC, but if I don't like it and just want to play SP, that should have absolutely no impact on my SP experience.  Ever.

 

Even Diablo you can go through without ever playing with another person involved and still experience the game and story to it's fullest.  I've even done a fair bit of TOR without ever bothering with any of the social aspects beyond the occasional Heroic Area on the fly (which I really do cause I just can't make my pc play KOTOR any more).

[KaiserShep]

And suddenly Shadow Realms got even less interesting

 

Being PC only didn't do it a lot of favors for a lot of people.

[JeffZero]

I'm surprised to hear (and hoping they got it wrong) that the MP is 100% pointless, that the point of playing is to gain 'loot', but that you aren't allowed to actually 'use' any of the loot in the main game. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It's like having quests in the SP that give no rewards whatsoever, no exp, no gold, no items, nothing. It's such a bizarre concept I can't imagine who thought of it, hopefully no one. I hope they state at some point that there will indeed be something to be gained from playing MP, like there was in ME3. Whether it's gold, items, soldiers for the Inquisition, whatever, there has to be 'some' point to playing MP. If it's pointless, I can't imagine where the motivation to actually play it would come from.

Hamster wheel. Many gamers enjoy grinding to the Next Big Loot. More power to them, honestly, it's just not for me. Also, the whole friendship kinship angle. More of a thing I dig by far, but I generally reserve that for Nintendo couch co-op. Far more engaging to me.

I definitely am glad the two sides don't cross over. But I would much rather have separate story content inside the MP. Gaining to gain has literally never meant anything to me in video games.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Well, I'm excited about this. Will be especially cool if I get to see my MP character wandering around Skyhold!

[KaiserShep]

I'm surprised to hear (and hoping they got it wrong) that the MP is 100% pointless, that the point of playing is to gain 'loot', but that you aren't allowed to actually 'use' any of the loot in the main game.  That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  It's like having quests in the SP that give no rewards whatsoever, no exp, no gold, no items, nothing.  It's such a bizarre concept I can't imagine who thought of it, hopefully no one.  I hope they state at some point that there will indeed be something to be gained from playing MP, like there was in ME3.   Whether it's gold, items, soldiers for the Inquisition, whatever, there has to be 'some' point to playing MP.  If it's pointless, I can't imagine where the motivation to actually play it would come from.

 

 

Personally, I find this to be great news. The very worst thing about ME3, to me, was the fact that everything was boiled down into numbers. You could promote your MP characters bunches of times to equal or exceed the value of various fleets you ally with in single player. Total nonsense.

 

Now, if it came down to something like sovereigns, then you'd have my attention. It doesn't affect the story, but it allows me to buy lots of single player crap.